Ryu vs Cloud Strife

Started by Kirikaze Fuuma17 pages

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Dude...That tier listing was bullshit. 😐

HUGO above BISON?

Sean, below DAN!?

Gen below Sagat!?

dude, this bison is M. bison japanese version. you know tyson wannabe? they used japanese character version. is there a boxer with final version? (tier 1)

for the rest : it is provided by plot guide. what can I say? fight against canon guide?

edit : I'm shocked too about sean. really, SF is full of surprise.

Sean is a decent character, just hard to play with, whereas Dan is a joke.

Seriously though, Gen at least friggin approaches top tier, he is the ONLY person to suvive the Shun Goku no Satsu.

well, who knows how strong gen would be if he's still alive? too bad his life is "short". even SFZ gouki was in tier 3. I believe SFA sagat is weaker than SFA gouki.

about sean and dan, I still have no idea what the hell is in capcom's mind.

that tier list is kinda wrong. Gen not only survived the SGS but is the only guy who most likely beat Akuma in SFA3. also the tier was gotten based on assumption. according to the one Saiki got, Cody and guy were level 4...but Tiamat puts them on level 2/3.
SF sucks...

~Sado

then, would you check this out?

http://fightingstreet.com/folders/variousinfofolder/variousinfopages/streetfighterplotguide.txt

Originally posted by Vampire Savior
It's in an interview on the DVD. Either you can try to youtube it or just buy it. But it's there.

FF7 Strategy guide....

The evidence is there, you just don't wanna find it...

No, because it doesn't exist, and you cannot show me.

The thing is, i own the FF7 strategy guide, and it says nothing about the 1st tsuguri being a magical uber sharp sword, not only that, but the 1st tsuguri wasn't even in FF7

The evidence is there? No its not..hence why i'm asking YOU to show me, but i know you can't because it doesn't exist, so don't bother to reply continuing this unless you can reply with actual evidence from a reliable source.

And the movies aren't canon, the abilities are real, but Hadouken cannot blow up buildings, just like Gouki cannot blow up planet sized meteors with an uppercut.

Kirikaze: i've seen that tier a million times. like i said....the tier's all guess work as he makes it pretty obvious too.

so I guess it's useless now..

any place that tells you ryu is 2nd only to gouki, gill and akuma is useless 😆

I am so done wit this thread, this is just another Akuma VS Cloud...

No body will admit to anything and will continue to argue wit out knowin or exceptin faqs. Arguin wit haters and fanboys is pointless....

This whole FF character deal has gotten WAAAAAYYYY outta control. Seph beatin Pyron, Akuma, Jedah AND King Piccolo. Cloud beatin Demetri and STOMPIN all over Ryu and destroyin Dante.

😆 😂 🤣

Funny how it seems that the FF guys kills anybody from Capcom. Somethin told me when I 1st came to KMC to stay way from Nintendo, Final Fantasy, and Kingdom Heart threads. Looks like I slipped up, but never again...

Seph/Cloud=GOD.

😆 Somebody on this forum said that "Cloud is to fast for SSJ 4 Goku". AND that "Sephiroth is equal to Lord of Nightmares if he stays if they fight in the FF7 universe.

You fanboys take things to the next level, don't you? 😆

wtf cloud at dbz lvl?

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
wtf cloud at dbz lvl?

no 😠

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Sean is a decent character, just hard to play with, whereas Dan is a joke.

You must not be serious with this quote here...Sean is absolute garbage trash in 3rdStrike. Even the best Sean players from across the world says he blows due to his poor specials, no priority on specials, crappy super arts all together rolled into one.

The only time Sean was ever truly manly was SFIII:NG and 2I, because he was not underpowered, had a two-hit monster Shoryuken, SAIII did ridiculous damage+it had 234098230492380928 ways to hit-confirm with it, insane stun+damage potential.

In fact he was Top 4 in NG and in 2I he was only under Ibuki and Gouki, however his 3S version is trash, you don't see any Seans doing remotely well in any tournament.

Originally posted by Sado22
that tier list is kinda wrong. Gen not only survived the SGS but is the only guy who most likely beat Akuma in SFA3. also the tier was gotten based on assumption. according to the one Saiki got, Cody and guy were level 4...but Tiamat puts them on level 2/3.
SF sucks...

~Sado

Tiamit hasn't updated the canon guide for ages now, so the tier list would obviously not make sense in alot of cases, and I actually agree with you on Gen's placing...however why the comment of SF Sucks...???

However, I'll say this right now...

The Street Fighter gaming series takes more balls to play then even your beloved Tekken (which you seem to praise so much all the time) game which hasn't been good since Tekken 3/Tag/4 days because the T5 series and Tekken 6 are complete trash. Not to mention the storyline of SF is actually far more interesting then what we are seeing in Tekken...for crying out loud, Mishima's win every single Tekken tournament 🙄, and in Tekken 6, it's Tekken 2 storyline all over again.

Street Fighter, has had a new character winning it every tournament, and ever noticed how SF1 it was Sagat, Alpha-SF2 was Bison, and now it's Gill...it's actually changing it's focuses to different antagonist, making it far more intriguing to learn about.


You must not be serious with this quote here...Sean is absolute garbage trash in 3rdStrike. Even the best Sean players from across the world says he blows due to his poor specials, no priority on specials, crappy super arts all together rolled into one.

The only time Sean was ever truly manly was SFIII:NG and 2I, because he was not underpowered, had a two-hit monster Shoryuken, SAIII did ridiculous damage+it had 234098230492380928 ways to hit-confirm with it, insane stun+damage potential.

In fact he was Top 4 in NG and in 2I he was only under Ibuki and Gouki, however his 3S version is trash, you don't see any Seans doing remotely well in any tournament.

not really. everone has their own opinion. for me sean is better than dan. he's a joke but he still have a more decent hadouken than dan but with stupid shoryuken. but overall, he's still a good character to play with for me.


Street Fighter, has had a new character winning it every tournament, and ever noticed how SF1 it was Sagat, Alpha-SF2 was Bison, and now it's Gill...it's actually changing it's focuses to different antagonist, making it far more intriguing to learn about.

but the sad thing about SF is... ryu never won any SF tournament. except SF1 where he cheapshoted sagat and that's satsui no hadou ryu (damn!). and don't forget it's not just SF which changed it's focus into another in almost of it's series.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
not really. everone has their own opinion. for me sean is better than dan. he's a joke but he still have a more decent hadouken than dan but with stupid shoryuken. but overall, he's still a good character to play with for me.

The problem is...Sean doesn't have a Hadouken, besides his Super Art 1, his Tornado Kick is not like his NG/2I version, although one of his only shining points to his gameplay, it still has horrible recovery.

His Shoryuken has absolutely no range in affect, and he does really, really bad damage in comparison to umm...everyone else in 3S. Dan may be weak but in actuality hit-for-hit is one of the strongest Shoto's in the game this was done on purpose to make up for Dan's otherwise crappy overall movelist, his own version of the hurricane kick which Sean has roughly the same one, are both quite useful and effective. Also, as horrible as his Hadouken is, it is still better then what Sean has, since Sean has none to begin with.

Not to mention, Dan's super, where he goes all out, has actually been solid throughout his appearance. All of Sean's specials have been shot down dead into the dumpster by the time 3S arrived. I am also not trying to make Dan high and mighty either, since both characters are joke characters.

Obviously "if" he's a good character for you to play with, that's really opinion of preference, not how good he actually is from a competitive lvl standpoint.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
but the sad thing about SF is... ryu never won any SF tournament. except SF1 where he cheapshoted sagat and that's satsui no hadou ryu (damn!). and don't forget it's not just SF which changed it's focus into another in almost of it's series.

A win is a win, Ken defeated Ryu during Alpha 2 when Ryu's mind was clouded...that's a win. Ryu cheap shotted Sagat, however Ryu is still the champion of SF1. Lastly, your wording of your last paragraph makes me alittle confused, however "each" series if your implying meaning one continous series, then yes, I agree, that's what it is.

SF1, Alpha-SF2, and SFIII all yielding different results make them interesting. I'd obviously be annoyed if Ryu was winning every single Street Fighter tournament to date 😕 .

Originally posted by Sado22
that tier list is kinda wrong. Gen not only survived the SGS but is the only guy who most likely beat Akuma in SFA3. also the tier was gotten based on assumption. according to the one Saiki got, Cody and guy were level 4...but Tiamat puts them on level 2/3.
SF sucks...

~Sado

Gen never beat Gouki, Gouki was superior in their fight, and spared Gen when he learned of his illness.

Tiamit hasn't updated the canon guide for ages now, so the tier list would obviously not make sense in alot of cases, and I actually agree with you on Gen's placing...however why the comment of SF Sucks...???

cuz it makes stupid plots, is overrated, gets credit for inventing things it didn't and is generally gotten stale since SuperSF2. yeah, we get it...hadouken, tatsumakisenpukyaku and shoryuken....now can we please get new moves already. heck they don't even have alternate outfits since SF1.
as opposed to 2 (at times 3) outfits, great music, newer moves, changed gameplay mechanics for every game, upgrades to moves, coolass intros since Tekken2 and side games like beat 'em ups or tekken ball or tekken bowling, as well as being the first proper fighting game that offered us an option of changing our fighter's appearance and the first game to give survival mode (IIRC), has realistic depiction of fighting styles, allows reversals, parries and sidesteps, camera scrolling, great combo system, responsive battle arenas and award winning CG movies as endings.

SF is got a lot of catching up to do. heck, it didn't even have parries till SF3. the only thing that SF does that Tekken hasn't is taunting...and that's not even a feature that SF invented. the only time SF actually offered us something new was the parry system in SF3. till SF3, every SF from SSF2t has been repititive and stale.

The Street Fighter gaming series takes more balls to play then even your beloved Tekken (which you seem to praise so much all the time)

i like tekken. never stopped anyone from like SF either.
as far as balls go, mastering a game with a character having 3 regular moves (SF)<<<<<<mastering a game with a character having more than 60 moves.
heck, the most advanced command that you ever have to input in SF is (jab, jab, forward, short, punch)...as opposed to the complex button pressing you need to do for any chain throw or chain attack.
on top of that, the combo system for SF has always been shite except in SF3. but worse than anything is the fact that it has the most rehashing ever done in gaming history. ryu, ken, akuma, sakura, dan, alan, sean, kairi all do the same moves....and only have like three moves in total, two of which are rehashes.
i like tekken. if they make a bad tekken tomorrow i'll be the first to say it.....especially given the fact that i actually have made "why tekken4 threads" in the board i used to be on before KMC.

a game which hasn't been good since Tekken 3/Tag/4 days because the T5 series and Tekken 6 are complete trash.

that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. the fact that Tekken is the highest selling fighting game franchise of all time despite being new and only releasing 6 installments (Tekken6 wasn't out then) as opposed to the gazillion SF's out there says otherwise. Tekken5 got above 9 in all its reviews. that alone should tell ya otherwise.

Not to mention the storyline of SF is actually far more interesting

the tekken story line stinks from Tekken4 onwards. with you on that one.

then what we are seeing in Tekken...for crying out loud, Mishima's win every single Tekken tournament , and in Tekken 6, it's Tekken 2 storyline all over again.

ryu won SF1 via cheapsot, no one knows who won SF2 or if the final even took place given that akuma came outta nowhere and SGS'd the antagonist, and Alex won SF3 when the host let him. that's your idea of a good story? don't get me started on the retcons, the horrible mess of bad writing combined with writers on crack that was SFA3 and absolute pisspoor juggling of translation between Capcom of USA and Capcom of Japan.
SF stinks storywise as much as Tekken.

Street Fighter, has had a new character winning it every tournament

true. but look how they won it.

and ever noticed how SF1 it was Sagat, Alpha-SF2 was Bison, and now it's Gill...it's actually changing it's focuses to different antagonist

you're point? tekken1 (hachi), tekken2 (kazuya/devil), tekken3 (ogre), tekken 4 (hachi), tekken 5 (jinpachi), tekken6 (azazel). Sagat only worked for Bison in the next game so its not really changing focus. the mishima's win the tourny everytime is probably the only drawback to it...but then, that's the idea of a "central" character. on top of that, 2 out of the 6 games were actually not based on the hero of the series but his predecessor. something we see in Metal Gear Solid series too.

making it far more intriguing to learn about.

nah. in fact, the moment i took the printout of Tiamat's guide and read it.......i nearly puked.

Gen never beat Gouki, Gouki was superior in their fight, and spared Gen when he learned of his illness.

talking about SFA3, mane.

~Sado

They fought in that game? Wasn't aware of that actually.

yeah they did. the outcome is unknown but the upon comparison of the endings we see that Gen is the most likely winner of that clash. why?
in akuma's ending we just see the two going for the kill with Zanei and SGS. in Gen's ending you see that...and it ends with Gen standing near an ocean or something later on.

~Sado