United States Presidential Election 2008 - Official Discussion Thread

Started by Shakyamunison143 pages
Originally posted by lord xyz
Yeah, you've already said that.

Like you haven't been a broken record as of late. 😛

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Like you haven't been a broken record as of late. 😛
Yeah, but I was being debatable.

YouTube video

McCain gets owned.

😂

HAHAHA

That was pretty good! 👆

Play Rudy's speech if you really wanna see somebody get owned.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
That was pretty good! 👆

Play Rudy's speech if you really wanna see somebody get owned.

Can I see a link please?

I posted all of the RNC speeches in this thread.

Should just be a few pages back.

Rudy really rips Obama pretty good.

Sorry, I watched the first two minutes and his speech is just aweful. Maybe it's just me, or how different my culture is, but his language is very simple and boring.

Updates.
538 has McCain ahead on all three metrics they use for the first time since I can remember.

But the RCP electoral count still has Obama ahead (I'm assuming sithsaber will ignore 538 and maintain that RCP is right to be consistent?)

The RCP poll of polls has McCain ahead by 2.8. That will likely drop when the outlier +10 poll is removed. And this is presumably still post-convention bounce although I'm not sure whether Obamaphiles should be concerned that the Rasmussen spread may be increasing slightly.

Oh and Palin apparently doesn't know what the "Bush Doctrine" is. But I'm not sure that it will matter to the average voter.

It seems there've been multiple definitions of it, so it seems a bit of a "gotcha" question; which most people probably wouldn't be able to answer. For the record I wouldn't be able to answer it and I consider myself somewhat well read on current events/world affairs; then again I'm not running for vice-president.

This whole presidential election is the usual farce, both candidates saying "I'm gonna fix this and that". Most of which is not even within the power of the office of president.

Washingtonpost.com's Chris Cillizza rating the top 10 states most likely to switch columns in November

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/defining_the_playing_field.html?nav=rss_blog

Originally posted by Strangelove
Washingtonpost.com's Chris Cillizza rating the top 10 states most likely to switch columns in November

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/defining_the_playing_field.html?nav=rss_blog

I agree and disagree with some of those.

Flips for Obama:

1.) I believe Iowa will go to Obama, he's polling ahead there.

2.) New Mexico, same. He'll get it.

3.) Michigan, WON'T flip for McCain, so I disagree with the article.

4.) Niether will NH or PA. Those will stay for Obama.

5.) Ohio, Florida, and Virginia will go to McCain. He has a slight or modest lead in all latest polls for those states.

I disagree that Obama will take Colorado. He has only a 2% lead by RCP count, and not taking into consideration the "bradley effect". Plus, I expect McCain to do well in the debates.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Updates.
538 has McCain ahead on all three metrics they use for the first time since I can remember.

But the RCP electoral count still has Obama ahead (I'm assuming sithsaber will ignore 538 and maintain that RCP is right to be consistent?)

The RCP poll of polls has McCain ahead by 2.8. That will likely drop when the outlier +10 poll is removed. And this is presumably still post-convention bounce although I'm not sure whether Obamaphiles should be concerned that the Rasmussen spread may be increasing slightly.

No, I saw RCP's map. They are right. Except for CO.

Do this:

Click here:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10.

It's a fair assessment with Obama taking IA, MI, PA, NH, and NM where McCain takes FL, OH, and VA.

But then click on CO and change it from Obama to McCain.

McCain wins.

I believe that this will be the ultimate outcome of the map.

(unless McCain manages to flip PA or MI. Then it's really over for Obama, whether he gets CO or not.)

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
...Oh and Palin apparently doesn't know what the "Bush Doctrine" is. But I'm not sure that it will matter to the average voter...

I don't think there is an official "Bush Doctrine". A "Bush Doctrine" could be several things including extending democracy into the middle east.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I agree and disagree with some of those.

Flips for Obama:

1.) I believe Iowa will go to Obama, he's polling ahead there.

2.) New Mexico, same. He'll get it.

3.) Michigan, WON'T flip for McCain, so I disagree with the article.

4.) Niether will NH or PA. Those will stay for Obama.

5.) Ohio, Florida, and Virginia will go to McCain. He has a slight or modest lead in all latest polls for those states.

I disagree that Obama will take Colorado. He has only a 2% lead by RCP count, and not taking into consideration the "bradley effect". Plus, I expect McCain to do well in the debates.

No, I saw RCP's map. They are right. Except for CO.

Do this:

Click here:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10.

It's a fair assessment with Obama taking IA, MI, PA, NH, and NM where McCain takes FL, OH, and VA.

But then click on CO and change it from Obama to McCain.

McCain wins.

I believe that this will be the ultimate outcome of the map.

(unless McCain manages to flip PA or MI. Then it's really over for Obama, whether he gets CO or not.)

IO, NM and CO are all Obama needs to win.

I think Obama will win either Virginia or Colorado. Colorado looks more likely though. He's ahead in all the polls there right now, even during this time when McCain is at his highest point.

Those are going to be the two important states this year. They'll decide this thing.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
5.) Ohio, Florida, and Virginia will go to McCain. He has a slight or modest lead in all latest polls for those states.
you still have much to learn about polling.

The fact that it means nothing.

Polling done in early September has very little if any predictive qualities of what will happen on Nov. 4th.

Why does America have this College vote system?

It strikes me as a little, odd.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Why does America have this College vote system?

It strikes me as a little, odd.

According to conspiracy theorists: to take power away from the people
According to the founding fathers: to take power away from the people

http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/533kqlep.asp

Barack Obama giving tax cuts to those who already pay no taxes..now he will be raising taxes on the rich, and giving 500 dollars checks to those who already pay no taxes.

Redistribution of wealth and socialism..are we ready to give up on capitalism?