Originally posted by Strangelove
well then you obviously haven't been talking to the right people.Just because people are people are voting for someone doesn't mean they have to have a good reason for it. Look at 2004.
I agree, but SHOULDNT the people be looking for a good reason to vote for someone?
Originally posted by ESP07
What is truely annoying as an American is that I have yet to find one Obama supporter that can state anything he's done.
Ooh me! Me! I can!
1.) Community organizer
2.) Harvard Law Professor
3.) State Senator
4.) US senator
Accomplishments:
Organized (?), taught from books, voted "present" 134 times (except when defeating the IL version of the born alive bill), voted with dems 97% of time earning himself the title of most liberal senator (with Biden at #3), and spent 2 years running for president with a budget and staff that IS bigger than the small town of Wasilla, AL but sadly not bigger than the whole state of AL. (which, yaknow Palin did run for almost as long as Obama has run his campaign...with tons of help from his campaign manager)
Honorable mentions:
-Attended Trinity church under Rev Wright for 20 years (google:black liberation theology)
-Purchased house for far under market value from convicted criminal Tony Rezko
-Organized community/education projects with William Ayers, a domestic terrorist
-Wrote 2 autobiographies without writing any law of significance
-made many stirring speeches with lines like "we are the ones that we've been waiting for" and actually said that the day he secured the nomination was a "time to heal the earth and push back the oceans" before later giving a grand speech in front of a stage made of Styrofoam Greek columns to sink his candidacy after it'd already "jumped the shark" with a speech in Berlin.
🙂
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Ooh me! Me! I can!1.) Community organizer
2.) Harvard Law Professor
3.) State Senator
4.) US senator
Accomplishments:
Organized (?), taught from books, voted "present" 134 times (except when defeating the IL version of the born alive bill), voted with dems 97% of time earning himself the title of most liberal senator (with Biden at #3), and spent 2 years running for president with a budget and staff that IS bigger than the small town of Wasilla, AL but sadly not bigger than the whole state of AL. (which, yaknow Palin did run for almost as long as Obama has run his campaign...with tons of help from his campaign manager)
Honorable mentions:
-Attended Trinity church under Rev Wright for 20 years (google:black liberation theology)
-Purchased house for far under market value from convicted criminal Tony Rezko
-Organized community/education projects with William Ayers, a domestic terrorist
-Wrote 2 autobiographies without writing any law of significance
-made many stirring speeches with lines like "we are the ones that we've been waiting for" and actually said that the day he secured the nomination was a "time to heal the earth and push back the oceans" before later giving a grand speech in front of a stage made of Styrofoam Greek columns to sink his candidacy after it'd already "jumped the shark" with a speech in Berlin.🙂
Don't forget being in favor of baby murder and the sexual corruption of minors.
Originally posted by ESP07
What is truely annoying as an American is that I have yet to find one Obama supporter that can state anything he's done.Not saying McCain is any better or what not but I think this speaks volumes of how the American voting system have totally gone down the tubes.
What has Palin done?
What has McCain done?
The latter does have some landmark legislation that he can tout, although that comes with being in Congress for several decades. As does the bottom of the Democratic ticket.
The former doesn't have particularly huge accomplishments. Similar to the top of the Democratic ticket.
If I were to vote for him it would essentially be a "not a Republican" vote. And Joe Biden is there, so your country is unlikely to implode.
McCain has actually done quite a bit, in regards to the first Iraq war.
Obama, visited Iraq with Bayh and others, and is determined to end that war.
They're pretty strong qualities.
On the contrary, McCain wants to continue the obviously failed Bush policy in Iraq, and Obama hasn't actually announced a plan on how to end Iraq, unlike Kerry in 04.
My major issue is that the Republican ticket does not give a shit about the average Joe. Nothing the man does is in favor of something that deals with me. I still wonder how they get working class white people to vote for them when they basically forget about the promises they made for three years until federal elections occur again (and they plan to cut social programs so it really baffles me, and "cut" taxes).
I think the funniest thing about McCain was during the primaries and he tried to apoligize in Memphis, to black people, about not letting Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday be a holiday. I wish I had a video clip but it was so funny. 😂
On a side note, why is a that "not raising taxes" just means more tax cuts for the upper class while I basically pay the same thing?
Originally posted by chithappensWell here's an interesting essay on "What makes people vote Republican?" which may help to partially explain the Palin effect and the seeming incongruity between the interests of the Republican Party and the poor unwashed masses; to those of us who would logically surmise that it would be a vote against their own interests.
My major issue is that the Republican ticket does not give a shit about the average Joe. Nothing the man does is in favor of something that deals with me. I still wonder how they get working class white people to vote for them when they basically forget about the promises they made for three years until federal elections occur again (and they plan to cut social programs so it really baffles me, and "cut" taxes).I think the funniest thing about McCain was during the primaries and he tried to apoligize in Memphis, to black people, about not letting Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday be a holiday. I wish I had a video clip but it was so funny. 😂
On a side note, why is a that "not raising taxes" just means more tax cuts for the upper class while I basically pay the same thing?
http://edge.org/3rd_culture/haidt08/haidt08_index.html
I think you or I may be focusing primarily, or only, on utilitarian logic and fairness; while the appeal of the Republican Party to these working or middle class voters is rooted more in the other three aspects of their [moral] decision making.
I have to admit what's described as ingroup/loyalty, authority/respect and particularly purity/sanctity have never particularly factored into my own rationale.
NB the article is relatively long.
RCP now has McCain up by 10 pts in the electoral map.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/
Toss-ups are listed as: NV, CO, NM, MI, OH, PA, VA, NH.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriIn perspective, George Bush undid 8 years of greatness and made things shittier than they were before in 1 year.
I do feel sorry for Obama.There are people who, in event of his election, will expect change in a day. People do need to recognise that he has to undo eight years of shit.
-AC
So it's atleast possible, maybe even plausable.
Originally posted by sithsaber408MI is not a toss-up, neither is PA.
RCP now has McCain up by 10 pts in the electoral map.http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/
Toss-ups are listed as: NV, CO, NM, MI, OH, PA, VA, NH.
Originally posted by Bardock42The line seems to be drawn at about 5%.
How much percent do you need for it to be leaning and not toss up?
Something Democrats should be concerned about though is the "generic" ballot advantage for Congress has evaporated from double digits down to near statistical insignificance.
Who would have thought a VP pick could have that much impact.