United States Presidential Election 2008 - Official Discussion Thread

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Originally posted by lord xyz
I thought 1% and it's polling history makes it toss-up. 2% isn't enough, especially since it's the closest McCain's come in both since 6 months.
The margin of error on these polls is generally ~4% ergo margins less than this are statistically meaningless. (Notwithstanding that such polls are ultimately "meaningless" and only an indicator of current public sentiment.)

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The margin of error on these polls is generally ~4% ergo margins less than this are statistically meaningless. (Notwithstanding that such polls are ultimately "meaningless" and only an indicator of current public sentiment.)
So 4% is tossup?

Electoral Math is more important than these wildly varying Nation Wide Polls.

Originally posted by lord xyz
So 4% is tossup?
If it's within the margin of error of the particular poll. It's called basic statistics.

Originally posted by TRH
Electoral Math is more important than these wildly varying Nation Wide Polls.

But,

"The National debt is at times an ally,
Leaving the people to fend for them selves,
The people collect undeniable data,"

and

"
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Originally posted by lord xyz
So 4% is tossup?
considering the margin of error, yes.

Originally posted by Strangelove
considering the margin of error, yes.
Okay.

Well, the most recent poll of Indiana has McCain leading by 2%, making that state also a tossup.

As would be Washington and New Jersey, that are currently classified as leaning Obama, if all that was taken into consideration was a single poll. Point?

most recent, though, it was taken Aug 30.

I believe that how the polls work is if there are several polls showing one candidate ahead, even if it's just by a few points, they consider that leaning, because the margin of error is sorta eliminated as more polls show the same thing. One poll isn't enough.

Originally posted by BackFire
I believe that how the polls work is if there are several polls showing one candidate ahead, even if it's just by a few points, they consider that leaning, because the margin of error is sorta eliminated as more polls show the same thing. One poll isn't enough.
Yeah, but some are weird, like fivethirtyeight has McCain winning Colorado, when the most recent poll, and many others show Obama winning, with only two showing McCain winning, and they're by margins of 4%. The Obama polls range from 2 to 9, I think.

Hurray for 800+ Billion dollars of our tax dollars going to the do nothing, corrupt as shit UN.

http://www.aim.org/press-release/aim...obal-tax-bill/

Accuracy in Media editor Cliff Kincaid disclosed today that a hugely expensive bill called the "Global Poverty Act," sponsored by Democratic Senator Barack Obama, was quickly passed by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. Kincaid said that the major media's cover-up of the bill, which makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations, demonstrates the media's desire to see Senator Obama elected to the presidency.

In a column posted on the AIM web site, Kincaid noted that Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was trying to rush Obama's "Global Poverty Act" (S. 2433) through his committee without hearings. The legislation would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends. It was scheduled for a Thursday vote but was moved up a day, to Wednesday, and rushed through by voice vote. Kincaid learned, however, that conservative Senators have now put a "hold" on the legislation, in order to prevent it from being rushed to the floor for a full Senate vote.

The House version (H.R. 1302) was suddenly brought up on the House floor last September 25 and was passed by voice vote. House Republicans were caught off-guard, unaware that the pro-U.N. measure committed the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars. Kincaid's column notes that the official in charge of making nations comply with the U.N. Millennium Goals, which are prominently highlighted in the Obama bill, says a global tax will be necessary to force American taxpayers to provide the money.

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Americans are struggling and Obama wants to give 845 Billion dollars of our money to fight poverty in other countries?

Originally posted by KidRock

Americans are struggling and Obama wants to give 845 Billion dollars of our money to fight poverty in other countries?

That sucks. But I don't see how it is much worse then spending 1 000 billion to fight people in other countries, really.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That sucks. But I don't see how it is much worse then spending 1 000 billion to fight people in other countries, really.
lol bill hicks.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That sucks. But I don't see how it is much worse then spending 1 000 billion to fight people in other countries, really.

But..Obama is for change isnt he?

Maybe we should cut the spending on both of these things.

I also wonder how we will pay for this, and the billions of dollars UHC will cost..on top of the billions of dollars in other programs I am sure Obama will present to us...all this while getting us out of a deficit.

He truly must be the messiah.

Originally posted by KidRock
But..Obama is for change isnt he?

Maybe we should cut the spending on both of these things.

I also wonder how we will pay for this, and the billions of dollars UHC will cost..on top of the billions of dollars in other programs I am sure Obama will present to us...all this while getting us out of a deficit.

He truly must be the messiah.

He is for change.

Take out Iraq war from the budget
Take out war on drugs from the budget
Take in taxes on richto the budget

Even with the spendings on 3rd world coutries, UHC is still manageable.

Originally posted by lord xyz
lol bill hicks.

Not that I know of. Good comedian, though.

Originally posted by lord xyz
He is for change.

Take out Iraq war from the budget
Take out war on drugs from the budget
Take in taxes on richto the budget

Even with the spendings on 3rd world coutries, UHC is still manageable.

And those 3 things will pay for it all?

Also..would it be fair to be a bit skeptical to believe Obama actually wont do maybe 2 things on that list? Or should we blindly believe a politician when he says he will do something? This is where the experience comes into play..we really dont know what Obama actually can or will do.

No, I was refering to his "it's just a ride speech" and how you, being an anarchist, just repeat bill hicks all the time.

Originally posted by KidRock
And those 3 things will pay for it all?

Also..would it be fair to be a bit skeptical to believe Obama actually wont do maybe 2 things on that list? Or should we blindly believe a politician when he says he will do something? This is where the experience comes into play..we really dont know what Obama actually can or will do.

You seem to believe his plan to help those 3rd world countries, despite his obvious and dangerous lack of experience in foreign policy, as well as disregarding his abilty to make good decisions.