United States Presidential Election 2008 - Official Discussion Thread

Originally posted by lord xyz
No, I was refering to his "it's just a ride speech" and how you, being an anarchist, just repeat bill hicks all the time.

A ridiculous accusation, obviously.

Originally posted by KidRock
And those 3 things will pay for it all?

Also..would it be fair to be a bit skeptical to believe Obama actually wont do maybe 2 things on that list? Or should we blindly believe a politician when he says he will do something? This is where the experience comes into play..we really dont know what Obama actually can or will do.

Originally posted by Bardock42
A ridiculous accusation, obviously.

Originally posted by lord xyz
What was?

Originally posted by Bardock42
That I repeat Bill Hicks constantly.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Yes, yes it was.

That figure ($845 billion) seems patently false considering the US Federal budget is only ~3 trillion dollars...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That figure seems patently false considering the US Federal budget is only ~3 trillion dollars...

Originally posted by Bardock42
It's probably what would be spend over the next 50 years 😐

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Probably... ergo pointing out the distortion... ermmhappy

On the other hand, with quotes like

Did you know that…

* Senator Obama sponsored a bill that purports to fight “global poverty” but actually lays the groundwork for a U.N. global tax on America?
* Obama’s childhood mentor was a member of the Communist Party USA and filled Obama’s head with anti-American thoughts?
* Obama’s political career was boosted by Chicago-based Marxists and that he sat on a foundation board with a terrorist?

The media are portraying Obama as an agent of change. But what kind of change? "

I must say this article seems extremely fair and balanced. They are obviously out to do some serious, unbiased reporting.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It's probably what would be spend over the next 50 years 😐

13 years actually..if anybody cared to read the article that question would have been answered.

Originally posted by KidRock
But..Obama is for change isnt he?

Maybe we should cut the spending on both of these things.

I also wonder how we will pay for this, and the billions of dollars UHC will cost..on top of the billions of dollars in other programs I am sure Obama will present to us...all this while getting us out of a deficit.

He truly must be the messiah.

What you don't know about Obama is that his bowel movements consist of money.

And he urinates clean water-vapor.

Originally posted by KidRock
13 years actually..if anybody cared to read the article that question would have been answered.

And again, that's (per year) more than half what Iraq costs and probably, in the long run, would do more for world peace and to fight terrorism.

Originally posted by BackFire

What you don't know about Obama is that his bowel movements consist of money.

And he urinates clean water-vapor.

Is that what the Democrats are relying on?

I thought the prophecy stated that once the Messiah BO "Hussein" ends the war in Iraq money trees will sprout up in Al Gore's backyard and give us an endless supply of money AND the cure for global warming?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, I rather read what Wikipedia said about it. But yeah, that guy seems to claim ~900 billion over 13 years. But I am not exactly sure what he bases that one.

And again, that's (per year) more than half what Iraq costs and probably, in the long run, would do more for world peace and to fight terrorism.

Yeah..because the UN has such a great track record of doing good things with all the money it brings in.

Originally posted by KidRock

Yeah..because the UN has such a great track record of doing good things with all the money it brings in.

Again, better than the war in Iraq. Which McCain wants to continue indefinitely.

So, yeah, Obama bad...McCain worse.

Originally posted by KidRock
Is that what the Democrats are relying on?

I thought the prophecy stated that once the Messiah BO "Hussein" ends the war in Iraq money trees will sprout up in Al Gore's backyard and give us an endless supply of money AND the cure for global warming

No.

The cure for AIDS and cancer as well.

Originally posted by Bardock42
On the other hand, with quotes like

Did you know that…

* Senator Obama sponsored a bill that purports to fight “global poverty” but actually lays the groundwork for a U.N. global tax on America?
* Obama’s childhood mentor was a member of the Communist Party USA and filled Obama’s head with anti-American thoughts?
* Obama’s political career was boosted by Chicago-based Marxists and that he sat on a foundation board with a terrorist?

The media are portraying Obama as an agent of change. But what kind of change? "

I must say this article seems extremely fair and balanced. They are obviously out to do some serious, unbiased reporting.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I didn't read anything beyond the number. It's a KidRock post.

Originally posted by BackFire
No.

The cure for AIDS and cancer as well.

Cancer? Ill buy it.

AIDS? Maybe, Barack was genetically born with the disease..or at least half of it.

Originally posted by KidRock
13 years actually..if anybody cared to read the article that question would have been answered.

It says, "...gross national product.." at .7%

The GNP from 2006 is 11,059.3. According to Wiki.

The growth rate, if averaged over the last 10 years, is a rounded up 1.27.

I calculated from this site by averaging the last 42 entries:
http://www.data360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=321

In order to figure out what .7% overr the next 13 years, we have to do a little math.

Since we start, in say, 2008, we have to start the calculation two years ahead with the rate I calculated from the growth data. So, first,

(1.0127^2)*11059.3=11342 (That's basic Calc on geometric growth, btw...nothing too fancy 😄 )

So our estimated starting number for the GNP is $11342 billion.

Soooo...

(1.0127^13)*11342*.007=

$93548798229

Or $93.5 billion. Compare that to your Bush war policy under the new ownership of McCain and you get MUCH more expensive foreign war spending to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars each year.

I'm having a hard time here...

Let's see..

$93.5 billion over 13 years or well more than $1 trillion over 13 years...hmm

That's a toughie, isn't it?

I would rather NOT spend either amount of money.

This is why I say Obama is the lesser of two evils. In this instance, he is the lesser of two evils by more than a factor of 10.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It says, "...gross national product.." at .7%

The GNP from 2006 is 11,059.3. According to Wiki.

The growth rate, if averaged over the last 10 years, is a rounded up 1.27.

I calculated from this site by averaging the last 42 entries:
http://www.data360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=321

In order to figure out what .7% overr the next 13 years, we have to do a little math.

Since we start, in say, 2008, we have to start the calculation two years ahead with the rate I calculated from the growth data. So, first,

(1.0127^2)*11059.3=11342 (That's basic Calc on geometric growth, btw...nothing too fancy 😄 )

So our estimated starting number for the GNP is $11342 billion.

Soooo...

(1.0127^13)*11342*.007=

$93548798229

Or $93.5 billion. Compare that to your Bush war policy under the new ownership of McCain and you get MUCH more expensive foreign war spending to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars each year.

I'm having a hard time here...

Let's see..

$93.5 billion over 13 years or well more than $1 trillion over 13 years...hmm

That's a toughie, isn't it?

I would rather NOT spend either amount of money.

This is why I say Obama is the lesser of two evils. In this instance, he is the lesser of two evils by more than a factor of 10.

You're crazy if you think we will have the full force we have in Iraq right now still there by say 2012..we will still and always have troops there, but the war will not be costing us the same it is now within the next 4 years.