silver surfer vs orion

Originally posted by Allankles
Drax emits a special radiation that affects Thanos physically. Surfers cosmic awareness should allow him to identify this special radiation that causes Drax to cut through Thanos flesh like a hot knife through butter, doesn't take much to see that the way his cosmic awareness works should affect Thanos.

Radion on the other hand has no known origins nor is it a physical substance, it only affects ideas/concepts, such a thing is well beyond the capacities of Surfers energy manipulation.

Do you just like to make things up?

Radion is a weakness that batman fired out of a gun to Ds. Surfer can create radion all the same and easily take out Darkseid.

Originally posted by darthgoober

Darthbooger, radiation (in this instance) is used to mean any energy emission.

Kronos designed this trait into Drax's physical form and its purpose was to kill damage Thanos physically. Radion isn't a physical substance, it affects ideas, the very stuff that gives rise to thoughts, feelings and existence itself (depending on the concept).

It was explained in the FC # 3 commentary. Look out for the script.

Originally posted by Allankles
Since when can Surfer attack concepts? You don't seem to understand what concepts and ideas are. You firmly believe Surfer can't identify the Drax radiation with the PC but expect him to be able to generate a substance that can affect concepts?

I don't even get where you are coming from. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Where has it been stated that he emits a special kind of radiation?

Do you just like to make things up?

Radion is a weakness that batman fired out of a gun to Ds. Surfer can create radion all the same and easily take out Darkseid. [/B]

The Radion in that bullet was placed there by DS in FC # 7 to kill Orion. The gun he used, fired the radion bullet backwards through time murderng Orion from a moment where he could not see DS as he no longer existed in the time that ds chose to do this.

The bullet is lodged in the ground of the (eventual) crime scene 50 yrs in the past and waits there until Bats and the GL's find it.

Radion is a substance beyond Surfers ability to produce its not just some special radiation that affectS the NG, it affects actual ideas.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Didn't Batman attack him? What did Darkseid do in that story to show you cannot attack him?

I don't even get where you are coming from. It makes no sense whatsoever.

I didn't see Bats producing Radion genius.

Originally posted by Allankles
Darthbooger, radiation (in this instance) is used to mean any energy emission.

Kronos designed this trait into Drax's physical form and its purpose was to kill damage Thanos physically.

Is this something you've put together, or have you seen some kind of statement from Marvel saying that Drax's ability stems from an energy emission?

Originally posted by Allankles
Radion isn't a physical substance, it affects ideas, the very stuff that gives rise to thoughts, feelings and existence itself (depending on the concept).

It was explained in the FC # 3 commentary. Look out for the script.

I just looked through FC #3 and saw no mention of it...

Originally posted by Allankles
Since when can Surfer attack concepts? You don't seem to understand what concepts and ideas are. You firmly believe Surfer can't identify the Drax radiation with the PC but expect him to be able to generate a substance that can affect concepts?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Is this something you've put together, or have you seen some kind of statement from Marvel saying that Drax's ability stems from an energy emission?

Hmm! It doesn't matter, if the PC can produce Radion (according to some) it shouldn't have a problem identifying a weakness for Thanos especially when that weakness is given a source much in the way Kryptonite is.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I just looked through FC #3 and saw no mention of it...

I said look for the Morrison's commentary on his work. None of the characters are going to explain to you the nature of Radion, Morrison (the guy who put the Radion in the story) finally gives a concrete explanation for what it is in his FC 3 commentary.

I don't know when he'll release a director's cut like he did for FC # 1, I haven't kept up with the news. So I said look out for any Director's cut releases.

Originally posted by Allankles
I didn't see Bats producing Radion genius.

You keep dancing around the issue it seems with no real proof.

Originally posted by Allankles
I didn't see Bats producing Radion genius.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Is this something you've put together, or have you seen some kind of statement from Marvel saying that Drax's ability stems from an energy emission?

I just looked through FC #3 and saw no mention of it...

Originally posted by Allankles
Hmm! It doesn't matter if the PC can produce Radion (according to some) it shouldn't have a problem identifying a weakness for Thanos especially when that weakness is given a source much in the way Kryptonite is.

Originally posted by Allankles
I said look for the Morrison's commentary on his work. None of the characters are going to explain to you the nature of Radion, Morrison (the guy who put the Radion in the story) finally gives a concrete explanation for what it is in his FC 3 commentary.

I don't know when he'll release a director's cut like he did for FC # 1, I haven't kept up with the news. So I said look out for any Director's cut releases.

Scan of the commentary?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It sure looks like a physical substance to me in this scan.

The bullet itself is physical the theotoxin is inside the actual bullet. And it didn't affect DS's physically since DS isn't a physical being in actuality nor is he a ghost, he's an idea.

Originally posted by Allankles
The bullet itself is physical the theotoxin is inside the actual bullet. And it didn't affect DS's physically since DS isn't a physical being in actuality nor is he a ghost, he's an idea.

Prove Darkseid is an idea for starters.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Just answer the question, did you come up with that theory or has it seen print in Marvel?

The weakness was designed into Drax in one way or another by Kronos, do you need any more of an origin than: "this god created it"? And it affected Thanos physically allowing Drax bypass Thanos's force bubble.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Scan of the commentary?

Why don't you do the leg work yourself? http://www.grant-morrison.com/index.php go to the archives and search for his post release interviews.

Originally posted by Allankles
The weakness was designed into Drax in one way or another by Kronos, do you need any more of an origin than: "this god created it"? And it affected Thanos physically allowing Drax bypass Thanos's force bubble.

Why don't you do the leg work yourself? http://www.grant-morrison.com/index.php go to the archives and search for his post release interviews.

The scan said the kill code is in his dna. Meaning only he could do this and he even says as much.

You just make things up and pass them off as fact when you can't even back it up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It affected him physically. He isn't an idea. He is a character that Batman fatally wounded due to the radion inside the bullet. Everything you claim is false. You have nothing to back it up.

Prove Darkseid is an idea for starters.

Oh shut it, you're being absolutely ridiculous. go read Morrisons commentary on the New Gods after FC # 3 or pick up Kirby's work which (compared to a lot of modern comics) still appears ahead of its time.

Originally posted by Allankles
Oh shut it, you're being absolutely ridiculous. go read Morrisons commentary on the New Gods after FC # 3 or pick up Kirby's work which (compared to a lot of modern comics) still appears ahead of its time.

Post your proof.

Originally posted by Allankles
The weakness was designed into Drax in one way or another by Kronos, do you need any more of an origin than: "this god created it"? And it affected Thanos physically allowing Drax bypass Thanos's force bubble.

Originally posted by Allankles
Why don't you do the leg work yourself? http://www.grant-morrison.com/index.php go to the archives and search for his post release interviews.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did it say he fell victim to his radiation?

The scan said the kill code is in his dna. Meaning only he could do this and he even says as much.

You just make things up and pass them off as fact when you can't even back it up.

Your point? Radiation comes from the word radiate. In one form or another he radiated substances/energy toxic to Thanos. The greenish glow was obviously a visual depiction of this.

And all of that was besides the point, which was that it was something that was designed and therefore perfectly within the bounds of Surfers cosmic awareness as it has been demonstrated to work.