Originally posted by Nihilist
drax's *radion* is part of his dna make up when he was created by chronos the god of time/most powerfull eternal.
It has an origin, a source, its very secrets are ingrained in Drax's dna. Where is his vaunted cosmic awareness when he needs it against an opponent that matters to him? Not just throwing it around to intimidate people like Glads (wih his gamma radiation issues).
Originally posted by Allankles
It has an origin, a source, its very secrets are ingrained in Drax's dna. Where is his vaunted cosmic awareness when he needs it against an opponent that matters to him? Not just throwing it around to intimidate people like Glads (wih his gamma radiation issues).
I'd like to point out that only the latest incarnation of Drax seemed to give off this ability. Thanos has literally tanked Drax's energy blasts before without flinching. So there was no Thanos-kryptonite before. And Surfer hasn't faced Thanos since Drax's latest resurrection.
Originally posted by Allankles
Radion has never been explained except by Morrison in FC. With Kirby it was a god-killing substance that couldn't be prodcued and was only found, few beings (among the gods themselves) had it.Morrison describes it as a substace that "slays ideas", he also further elaborated on how he used Kirby's vision for the New Gods, where Kirby portrayed them as the embodiment of concepts and he carried this over to FC.
Where would I be coming up with this stuff if not the comics.
Originally posted by Allankles
And how many times does SS use these abilties against the likes of Thanos? I mean surely, if he can produce something as exotic as Radion he should be able to replicate whatever radiation Drax gives off.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Notice you were actually able to use the name Radion to describe the weakness of the New Gods, but when it came to Thanos you had to say "whatever radiation Drax gives off". The reason for this is because we don't KNOW what enabled Drax to do what he did. We don't even know that it was the result of radiation, it was never expressly said. It could have been the energy and that energy could have been a form of radiation, or it could have been something else completely and that "energy" was just a visual effect of whatever was happening, or it could have been something that's completely beyond the conceptual boundaries of the human mind, we just don't know. The complete lack of information about what was going on makes it impossible to theorize without massive amounts of speculation right out of the gate.
Kinda looked like Death wanted him dead and that was that... *shrug*
Originally posted by Nihilist
drax's *radion* is part of his dna make up when he was created by chronos the god of time/most powerfull eternal.
Second most powerful Eternal 😉
IMO I don't think Surfer could really create Radion myself. I really don't think he needs it anyways as he has the versatility and speed to beat Orion. However, figuring he could create Radion while other New Gods with "similiar" abilities can't.
Originally posted by darthgoober
What issue did they describe it in during FC?Notice you were actually able to use the name Radion to describe the weakness of the New Gods, but when it came to Thanos you had to say "whatever radiation Drax gives off". The reason for this is because we don't actually KNOW what enabled Drax to do what he did. We don't know that it was the result of radiation because it was never expressly said. It could have been the energy and that energy could have been a form of radiation, or it could have been something else completely and that "energy" was just a visual effect of whatever was happening, or it could have been something that's completely beyond the conceptual boundaries of the human mind, we just don't know. The complete lack of information about what was going on makes it impossible to debate without massive amounts of speculation right out of the gate.
And Radion, a rare substance from a higher dimensional plane that is rare and not known or understood at all in the main DCU is any less difficult to duplicate?
I smell bullshit. durpot
Originally posted by TricksterPriestRadion was just recently stated in fc to be able to take out Ds. Surfer can scan him for weaknesses and can create it with the pc very easily. Unless you have any evidence that says otherwise.
There isn't a scan or reference or ANYTHING in the entire history of DC of anyone creating Radion via transmutation or powers or technology on-panel. Not even the New Gods, including DS, Highfather, Takion and the other high end guys.
Originally posted by AllanklesProof he cannot create it..... you saying he can't isn't the same as proving he can't.
It's not a weakness, you're arguing without knowing the specifics about Radion. Surfer cannot produce Radion it is beyond the scope of his abilities.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Kinda looked like Death wanted him dead and that was that... *shrug*
I agree with this and yet at the same time Drax clearly was engineered to kill Thanos by Chronos. So, it's all speculation on what actually happened. IMO it did seem like Death wanted Thanos and maybe in a way Thanos let it happen.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Second most powerful Eternal 😉IMO I don't think Surfer could really create Radion myself. I really don't think he needs it anyways as he has the versatility and speed to beat Orion. However, figuring he could create Radion while other New Gods with "similiar" abilities can't.
Again he doesn't need Radion and I highly doubt he could create it just like that.
Originally posted by AllanklesKronos created Drax to destroy Thanos. He is the god of time and prior to annihilation and his most recent change he was ineffective at best against Thanos. You cannot recreate Drax and since he has no weakness to any substance and has beaten the Surfer you get the idea. It applies to Darkseid because radion isn't a person it's a substance.
It has an origin, a source, its very secrets are ingrained in Drax's dna. Where is his vaunted cosmic awareness when he needs it against an opponent that matters to him? Not just throwing it around to intimidate people like Glads (wih his gamma radiation issues).
Originally posted by quanchi112
Kronos created Drax to destroy Thanos. He is the god of time and prior to annihilation and his most recent change he was ineffective at best against Thanos. You cannot recreate Drax and since he has no weakness to any substance and has beaten the Surfer you get the idea. It applies to Darkseid because radion isn't a person it's a substance.
Drax emits a special radiation that affects Thanos physically. Surfers cosmic awareness should allow him to identify this special radiation that causes Drax to cut through Thanos flesh like a hot knife through butter, doesn't take much to see that the way his cosmic awareness works should affect Thanos.
Radion on the other hand has no known origins nor is it a physical substance, it only affects ideas/concepts, such a thing is well beyond the capacities of Surfers energy manipulation.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Proof he cannot create it..... you saying he can't isn't the same as proving he can't.
Since when can Surfer attack concepts? You don't seem to understand what concepts and ideas are. You firmly believe Surfer can't identify the Drax radiation with the PC but expect him to be able to generate a substance that can affect concepts?
Originally posted by Allankles
Drax emits a special radiation that affects Thanos physically. Surfers cosmic awareness should allow him to identify this special radiation that causes Drax to cut through Thanos flesh like a hot knife through butter, doesn't take much to see that the way his cosmic awareness works should affect Thanos.Radion on the other hand has no known origins nor is it a physical substance, it only affects ideas/concepts, such a thing is well beyond the capacities of Surfers energy manipulation.
Was it ever mentioned that what enabled drax to easily kill thanos was the green energy around him? Cause i h dont know people are so quick to assume it was.We know Drax was thanos silver bullet, we dont know specifically what made him into that.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And Radion, a rare substance from a higher dimensional plane that is rare and not known or understood at all in the main DCU is any less difficult to duplicate?I smell bullshit. durpot
Originally posted by darthgoober
I never said that, I said he'd take 8/10 without having to bother with Radion(Orion could probably make a show of it though). As far as I'm concerned, not enough concrete evidence exist on either side to make a definite claim. I can see reasonable arguments from both sides to support their case, it's just a matter of which you'd rather believe.But just for those seeking examples, Mephisto used Surfer's Power Cosmic to repair/recreate a bizarre alien spaceship from another universes because Surfer's power was better at that kind of thing than Mephisto's own, so I'd say the evidence is slightly more in favor of him being able to do it successfully than there is to the contrary(still not enough to be certain though).
Originally posted by Allankles
Drax emits a special radiation that affects Thanos physically. Surfers cosmic awareness should allow him to identify this special radiation that causes Drax to cut through Thanos flesh like a hot knife through butter, doesn't take much to see that the way his cosmic awareness works should affect Thanos.Radion on the other hand has no known origins nor is it a physical substance, it only affects ideas/concepts, such a thing is well beyond the capacities of Surfers energy manipulation.
Originally posted by darthgoober
What issue did they describe it in during FC?Notice you were actually able to use the name Radion to describe the weakness of the New Gods, but when it came to Thanos you had to say "whatever radiation Drax gives off". The reason for this is because we don't actually KNOW what enabled Drax to do what he did. We don't know that it was the result of radiation because it was never expressly said. It could have been the energy and that energy could have been a form of radiation, or it could have been something else completely and that "energy" was just a visual effect of whatever was happening, or it could have been something that's completely beyond the conceptual boundaries of the human mind, we just don't know. The complete lack of information about what was going on makes it impossible to debate without massive amounts of speculation right out of the gate.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Was it ever mentioned that what enabled drax to easily kill thanos was the green energy around him? Cause i h dont know people are so quick to assume it was.We know Drax was thanos silver bullet, we dont know specifically what made him into that.
We know it was designed by a god. Radion wasn't designed by anybody. Also it is a concept killer and only affects ideas, it was used to kill two such embodiments, the god of the fight in Orion by DS with a gun that shot backwards in time, and when Bats finally got to shoot the representation of evil, DS.
Originally posted by Allankles
We know it was designed by a god. Radion wasn't designed by anybody. Also it is a concept killer and only affects ideas, it was used to kill two such embodiments, the god of the fight in Orion by DS with a gun that shot backwards in time, and when Bats finally got to shoot the representation of evil, DS.
Im not claimin surfer could create radion. Im calling into question the false assumptions about how Drax killed thanos