silver surfer vs orion

Originally posted by darthgoober

Because it's not my job to prove your case for you. You're the one that's making a claim in regards to Morrison so the onus is on you to support it. That's the rule in regards to sources that are actually canon, let alone a non-canon interview. Otherwise it's no different than me saying "Surfer created something like Radion in his 3rd series, go find the example for himself". If you want to put up a link to the actual post/page I have no problem following it...

And why would I spend my time talking about story elements that weren't there? I'm a New God fan but I'm not going to give them traits the writers haven't given them.

As for Morrison's explanations go to archives on the page I've given you, then hit interviews and the FC # 3 info at the top of the page.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I read the comic and you are reaching here. We see him affected by a physical bullet which contained radion.

Post your proof.

Yeah except we already see evidence by the fact that he inhabits bodies and he fattens himself on the souls of those he inhabits, the more noble the greater the struggle and the better he is nourished: already explained in FC.

The Radion releases Turpin's soul slowly (we see DS leave his body) but begins killing DS. The bullet (designed by New Gods) is simply the vessel containing the Radion.

It was quite obvious DS and the other gods had no physical forms of their own, so what is physical about them?

Originally posted by Allankles
And why would I spend my time talking about story elements that weren't there? I'm a New God fan but I'm not going to give them traits the writers haven't given them.

As for Morrison's explanations go to archives on the page I've given you, then hit interviews and the FC # 3 info at the top of the page.

http://www.grant-morrison.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=227:newsarama-grant-morrison-on-final-crisis-3&catid=5:interviews&Itemid=67

...than I must be missing something because I can't seem to find a single mention of Radion not being a physical substance or it working by killing concepts. If I'm overlooking it though, just cut and past the section(s) where those things are mentioned. If it's the wrong interview just put up a link to the right one and I'll check it out.

Originally posted by darthgoober
If this is the article...

http://www.grant-morrison.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=227:newsarama-grant-morrison-on-final-crisis-3&catid=5:interviews&Itemid=67

...than I must be missing something because I can't seem to find a single mention of Radion not being a physical substance or it working by killing concepts. If I'm overlooking it though, just cut and past the section(s) where those things are mentioned. If it's the wrong interview just put up a link to it and I'll check it out.

Click on "here" after "Read more" at the bottom of the page, geez.

Originally posted by Allankles
Click on "here" after "Read more" at the bottom of the page, geez.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I did, that's just the closest link available to the interview. Copy and paste the appropriate quote(s) from GM please...

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/020904-Grant-FC2.html Man you know how this works if you're interested you search it for yourself.

NRAMA: Superman and Darkseid - for those of us who didn't attend night classes on New Genesis...despite being shot through the heart, Darkseid is still alive, he's taking aim at Orion to basically start the whole story, and the Flashes lead the Black racer to him...and that kills him? I feel a little slow here, but when did he start falling through the multiverses?

GM: Again, I don’t think you need to know anything about New Genesis or any other information apart from what’s in the story. Darkseid wasn’t shot in the heart. We all know Batman doesn’t kill people, hasn’t killed people for 70 years and isn’t about to start here. It’s a big enough deal for Batman to pick up a gun. He winged Turpin knowing that the Radion in the bullet would be enough to poison Darkseid’s divine essence. Radion only kills gods after all. It slays ideas. After that shot, Darkseid is dying, just as someone with radiation poisoning might slowly expire, as Superman explains in #7. The Black Racer drags him struggling away into oblivion over the course of that issue until nothing remains but the fading, ghost-echoes of his malice.

Originally posted by Allankles
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/020904-Grant-FC2.html Man you know how this works if you're interested you search it for yourself.

Originally posted by Allankles
Your point? Radiation comes from the word radiate. In one form or another he radiated substances/energy toxic to Thanos. The greenish glow was obviously a visual depiction of this.

And all of that was besides the point, which was that it was something that was designed and therefore perfectly within the bounds of Surfers cosmic awareness as it has been demonstrated to work.

Radion was seen to be inside a bullet while Drax was the only one who could kill Thanos. This is stated on panel. On panel statement ftw.

Originally posted by Allankles
Yeah except we already see evidence by the fact that he inhabits bodies and he fattens himself on the souls of those he inhabits, the more noble the greater the struggle and the better he is nourished: already explained in FC.

The Radion releases Turpin's soul slowly (we see DS leave his body) but begins killing DS. The bullet (designed by New Gods) is simply the vessel containing the Radion.

It was quite obvious DS and the other gods had no physical forms of their own, so what is physical about them?

Ds overtook someone's body making him exist in the physical sense.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
NRAMA: Superman and Darkseid - for those of us who didn't attend night classes on New Genesis...despite being shot through the heart, Darkseid is still alive, he's taking aim at Orion to basically start the whole story, and the Flashes lead the Black racer to him...and that kills him? I feel a little slow here, but when did he start falling through the multiverses?

GM: Again, I don’t think you need to know anything about New Genesis or any other information apart from what’s in the story. Darkseid wasn’t shot in the heart. We all know Batman doesn’t kill people, hasn’t killed people for 70 years and isn’t about to start here. It’s a big enough deal for Batman to pick up a gun. He winged Turpin knowing that the Radion in the bullet would be enough to poison Darkseid’s divine essence. Radion only kills gods after all. It slays ideas. After that shot, Darkseid is dying, just as someone with radiation poisoning might slowly expire, as Superman explains in #7. The Black Racer drags him struggling away into oblivion over the course of that issue until nothing remains but the fading, ghost-echoes of his malice.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
NRAMA: Superman and Darkseid - for those of us who didn't attend night classes on New Genesis...despite being shot through the heart, Darkseid is still alive, he's taking aim at Orion to basically start the whole story, and the Flashes lead the Black racer to him...and that kills him? I feel a little slow here, but when did he start falling through the multiverses?

GM: Again, I don’t think you need to know anything about New Genesis or any other information apart from what’s in the story. Darkseid wasn’t shot in the heart. We all know Batman doesn’t kill people, hasn’t killed people for 70 years and isn’t about to start here. It’s a big enough deal for Batman to pick up a gun. He winged Turpin knowing that the Radion in the bullet would be enough to poison Darkseid’s divine essence. Radion only kills gods after all. It slays ideas. After that shot, Darkseid is dying, just as someone with radiation poisoning might slowly expire, as Superman explains in #7. The Black Racer drags him struggling away into oblivion over the course of that issue until nothing remains but the fading, ghost-echoes of his malice.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Where does it state that Darkseid is an idea? It kills gods. It is stated plain as day. Radion is k-nite to the new gods.

Morrison: "In the case of Darkseid and his diabolical court, we’re dealing with personifications of absolute negative qualities. We’ve all been possessed by Greed or Hatred in our lives but Darkseid and his pals are embodiments of the timeless qualities of Tyrannical Will or Sadism or Envy or whatever.

So in the sense that we can be cruel, or ignorant, or hate people we’ve never met, we all have Darkseid or Desaad within us.

It’s like the idea of being possessed by the Holy Spirit, except in this case they are Unholy Spirits and the Gods of Apokolips want us to replace all our good qualities with all our bad qualities so that we become vehicles for their evil intentions." - Morrison.

As Kirby had written: "All who worship death and holocaust, worship Darksied."

FC # 1 commentary. 🙂

...I don't see a confliction here. Most people know Darkseid's the Source's embodiment of evil (I phrased that poorly, since the Source is neither good nor evil, but you understand.) So in that respect he governs the concept of evil. He's also a god. A New God. In that interview GM said it kills gods (which we already knew that it killed New Gods, all the way from the '70's). And, it also kills ideas. Okay...

Where's the conflict here? Radion kills New Gods. That's what it does. That Darkseid happens to be the very idea of evil is more an incidental attribute.

Originally posted by Enyalus
...I don't see a confliction here. Most people know Darkseid's the Source's embodiment of evil (I phrased that poorly, since the Source is neither good nor evil, but you understand.) So in that respect he governs the concept of evil. He's also a god. A New God. In that interview GM said it kills gods (which we already knew that it killed New Gods, all the way from the '70's). And, it also kills ideas. Okay...

Where's the conflict here? Radion kills New Gods. That's what it does. That Darkseid happens to be the very idea of evil is more an incidental attribute.

Originally posted by Enyalus
...I don't see a confliction here. Most people know Darkseid's the Source's embodiment of evil (I phrased that poorly, since the Source is neither good nor evil, but you understand.) So in that respect he governs the concept of evil. He's also a god. A New God. In that interview GM said it kills gods (which we already knew that it killed New Gods, all the way from the '70's). And, it also kills ideas. Okay...

Where's the conflict here? Radion kills New Gods. That's what it does. That Darkseid happens to be the very idea of evil is more an incidental attribute.

The issue was the idea that Surfer can produce a substance of unknown origins that has never been designed or produced and that is capable of slaying ideas, in this case the god of the fight Orion.

Originally posted by Allankles
The issue was the idea that Surfer can produce a substance of unknown origins that has never been designed or produced and that is capable of slaying ideas, in this case the god of the fight Orion.

Still doesn't need the weakness exposure to beat Orion. 😛

Originally posted by Enyalus
Ah. Personally I don't think he could, just because Surfer's CA isn't on par with, say, Genis-Vell. But its reasonable, IMO, to assume he could. It kills New Gods. Just like Kryptonite kills Kryptonians. 'Tis just a bit more rare.

Still doesn't need the weakness exposure to beat Orion. 😛

I don't see anyone producing Radion unless it's Mxy. scared

Originally posted by Allankles
I don't see anyone producing Radion unless it's Mxy. scared

I'll post some scans of what Genis' CA can do if it ever becomes an issue. 😛

Originally posted by Allankles
Morrison: "In the case of Darkseid and his diabolical court, we’re dealing with personifications of absolute negative qualities. We’ve all been possessed by Greed or Hatred in our lives but Darkseid and his pals are [b]embodiments of the timeless qualities of Tyrannical Will or Sadism or Envy or whatever.

So in the sense that we can be cruel, or ignorant, or hate people we’ve never met, we all have Darkseid or Desaad within us.

It’s like the idea of being possessed by the Holy Spirit, except in this case they are Unholy Spirits and the Gods of Apokolips want us to replace all our good qualities with all our bad qualities so that we become vehicles for their evil intentions." - Morrison.

As Kirby had written: "All who worship death and holocaust, worship Darksied."

FC # 1 commentary. 🙂 [/B]