silver surfer vs orion

Originally posted by Naija boy
He didnt create it on the fly. We dont know exactl how he created it so it does not count as evidence of his superior transmutation abilities

Please show the scans of Orion creatin brandnew motherboxes out of thin air midbattle or GTFO here with that.

And once again, I didnt say that surfer would win because of transmutation alone but rather thanks to a combination of superior abilities of which transmutation is one of them.

I know, I NEVER said he created it on the fly. Though, the best evidence of any New God creating tech is that it's an extension.

And what are these "superior" abilities you talking about? Speed? I've already told you Orion can and HAS countered speed. Hell, even Iron Man with the Mother Box has done so as well.

Originally posted by cloud102
Where is your evidence? Surfer is faster? Where? Surfer is more versatile? Where? We've been debating Orion for awhile now, so I don't feel like posting scans, nor am I capable of. I don't have access to a scanner.

SS has faster travel speed, combat related speed easily goes to Orion though. From what i know, SS can intiate fast attacks with the aid of his board but is not a fast mover by his own merit.

^you're still on that?

even after being banned you have to go there again. 🙄

?

Originally posted by cloud102
Where is your evidence? Surfer is faster? Where? Surfer is more versatile? Where? We've been debating Orion for awhile now, so I don't feel like posting scans, nor am I capable of. I don't have access to a scanner.

Surfer is faster because of feats like blitzing multiple targets on numerous occasions, evading and attacking deathurge at FTL speed etc. If u want scans of these instances no problem

Versatility-Since it would be pointless to name evry power surfer has, ill summarize it by saying that Surfer has used his creative powers far more than orion (im sure even u must agree with that) but if u dont then i can easily provide scans of surfer, evolvin planets, transforming the universal level energy of the unilord from psychic to cosmic energy, synthesizing the odinforce Binding beings to eco systems, transmuting people into his board, creatiing illusions, taking people to the astral plane etc. Now im sure orion has instances of him doing showing impressive versatility as well but its certainly not as recurrin as SS' nor is it on as high a level.

Originally posted by cloud102

And what are these "superior" abilities you talking about? Speed? I've already told you Orion can and HAS countered speed. Hell, even Iron Man with the Mother Box has done so as well.

Iron man with the motherbox did not suddenly become as fast as flash. He was able to detect flash but that does not mean there speed suddenly became equal.

Anyhow by superior abilities im referring to SS superior, speed, versatility, durability, mental abilities, offensive output etc.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Surfer is faster because of feats like blitzing multiple targets on numerous occasions, evading and attacking deathurge at FTL speed etc. If u want scans of these instances no problem

Versatility-Since it would be pointless to name evry power surfer has, ill summarize it by saying that Surfer has used his creative powers far more than orion (im sure even u must agree with that) but if u dont then i can easily provide scans of surfer, evolvin planets, transforming the universal level energy of the unilord from psychic to cosmic energy, synthesizing the odinforce Binding beings to eco systems, transmuting people into his board, creatiing illusions, taking people to the astral plane etc. Now im sure orion has instances of him doing showing impressive versatility as well but its certainly not as recurrin as SS' nor is it on as high a level.

Blitzing stationary targets while using his board, and FTL blitz on deathurge lol.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Surfer is faster because of feats like blitzing multiple targets on numerous occasions, evading and attacking deathurge at FTL speed etc. If u want scans of these instances no problem

Versatility-Since it would be pointless to name evry power surfer has, ill summarize it by saying that Surfer has used his creative powers far more than orion (im sure even u must agree with that) but if u dont then i can easily provide scans of surfer, evolvin planets, transforming the universal level energy of the unilord from psychic to cosmic energy, synthesizing the odinforce Binding beings to eco systems, transmuting people into his board, creatiing illusions, taking people to the astral plane etc. Now im sure orion has instances of him doing showing impressive versatility as well but its certainly not as recurrin as SS' nor is it on as high a level.

So has Orion. And his speed was described as ftl! Check out New Gods earier runs, where Orion took down a buch of DS's guards with super speed. And these SAME guards were much faster than even Superman.

I agree about versatility, but Orion has shown no limits as well. Including creating illusions (like you said above), creating the Genesis Box to warp reality, and bringing back a city to opperational levels.

That and brining back his Astro Harness, Mother Box, and Guantlets as weapons and aid in battle.

Surfer

Originally posted by cloud102
So has Orion. And his speed was described as ftl! Check out New Gods earier runs, where Orion took down a buch of DS's guards with super speed. And these SAME guards were much faster than even Superman.

I agree about versatility, but Orion has shown no limits as well. Including creating illusions (like you said above), creating the Genesis Box to warp reality, and bringing back a city to opperational levels.

That and brining back his Astro Harness, Mother Box, and Guantlets as weapons and aid in battle.

In the instance u are referring to was orion actually indicated to be movinga t faster than light in that particular battle instance? Because in surfers fight against deathure he did indicate he was moving faster than light.

Also i thought we had passed this issue of the genesis box? We know that Orion did not create it on the fly and so in this scenario is irrelevant as he would not be able to replicate such.

SS was not moving FTL against Deathure, dont even know why a forum myth like that constantly gets mentioned.

Originally posted by Naija boy
In the instance u are referring to was orion actually indicated to be movinga t faster than light in that particular battle instance? Because in surfers fight against deathure he did indicate he was moving faster than light.

Also i thought we had passed this issue of the genesis box? We know that Orion did not create it on the fly and so in this scenario is irrelevant as he would not be able to replicate such.

Basically in the Orion respect thread. He's chasing Mister Miracle.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Orion/orionvsblackracer.jpg

Originally posted by Naija boy
In the instance u are referring to was orion actually indicated to be movinga t faster than light in that particular battle instance? Because in surfers fight against deathure he did indicate he was moving faster than light.

Also i thought we had passed this issue of the genesis box? We know that Orion did not create it on the fly and so in this scenario is irrelevant as he would not be able to replicate such.

BTW, I don't have Rock of Ages with me, but the poster stated that in the story, Orion carries the Genesis Box all the time. I'm trying to find the scans of this, so be patient.

Originally posted by Makky
SS was not moving FTL against Deathure, dont even know why a forum myth like that constantly gets mentioned.

Arent u supposed to be new? How would u know about these "forum myths"? 🙄 I wonder.

Coulden't Surfer just make Radion?

Been browsing other forums, I've been a lurker for awhile and it isn' the first time I've heard it....but anyways plz stay on topic thanks.

Originally posted by Priest
Coulden't Surfer just make Radion?

A rare substance from a different dimension that probably requires some preperation in it's process of creation, somehow I doubt SS will scan for this and instantly be endowed witht he specs to create it. By that logic, we could also assume Orion could harness the same energy output as he used when recreating the universe into a concussive blast of energy lol.

Sup Galen

Surfer..he's just better at everything..

Originally posted by Priest
Coulden't Surfer just make Radion?

Good point. I can see that. Orion's survival depends on how the MB works. He's been killed by it and he's healed from Radion as well.