silver surfer vs orion

Originally posted by Makky
A rare substance from a different dimension that probably requires some preperation in it's process of creation, somehow I doubt SS will scan for this and instantly be endowed witht he specs to create it. By that logic, we could also assume Orion could harness the same energy output as he used when recreating the universe into a concussive blast of energy lol.

Originally posted by Priest
Surfer has feats of him using cosmic awareness and thinking in super speed, he wouldn't need preparation to generate radion. He has instantly created and change matter effortlessly in comics. Yes radion is a foreign supstance to the marvel universe, but in the Cannon Avengers vs Justice league Radioactive man was able to generate k-nite another foregin substance to the MU, just by changing up some wave lengths (something like that)..
With that said The Silver Surfer is well would be well adapt in exploiting the New God's weakness.

Don't forget, though, that Orion has his own awareness. The Mother Box has given him battle tips as well and could reverse what the Surfer is doing.

It constantly communicates with Orion during battle and heals him. Check out the Weapon from the Old God storyline.

SS takes the MB and slaps it on his arm

What then?

Originally posted by Mindset
SS takes the MB and slaps it on his arm

What then?

Well, you need to have a special relationship for each Mother Box. Beleve it or not, but the MB has REJECTED even Orion. It takes time for the MB to even help you.

Originally posted by Priest
Surfer has feats of him using cosmic awareness and thinking in super speed, he wouldn't need preparation to generate radion. He has instantly created and change matter effortlessly in comics. Yes radion is a foreign supstance to the marvel universe, but in the Cannon Avengers vs Justice league Radioactive man was able to generate k-nite another foregin substance to the MU, just by changing up some wave lengths (something like that)..
With that said The Silver Surfer is well would be well adapt in exploiting the New God's weakness.

Personally I don't think SS coul recreat a foreign substance instantly, we would also need to completly overlook Orion's own speed to assume SS would even get the intial drop. What we know is that SS and Orion have very quick flight devices, we also know both have ultalized the speed of there respective devices for offensive blitz agaisnt opponents. The biggest difference for me is that if the quarters are cut close, the fight drastically changes to Orion's favor....a stomp IMO. Orion's energy output is enough to stalemate SS blast, and while Radion is a viable tactic I just dont think SS would be able to recreate faster then what Orion's speed is at. Not to mention Orion could also use his own tranmutation abilities in conjunction with his harness to create a a concussive blast comparable to a genis box.

Originally posted by Makky
Personally I don't think SS coul recreat a foreign substance instantly, we would also need to completly overlook Orion's own speed to assume SS would even get the intial drop. What we know is that SS and Orion have very quick flight devices, we also know both have ultalized the speed of there respective devices for offensive blitz agaisnt opponents. The biggest difference for me is that if the quarters are cut close, the fight drastically changes to Orion's favor....a stomp IMO. Orion's energy output is enough to stalemate SS blast, and while Radion is a viable tactic I just dont think SS would be able to recreate faster then what Orion's speed is at. Not to mention Orion could also use his own tranmutation abilities in conjunction with his harness to create a a concussive blast comparable to a genis box.

Do you have Rock Of Ages with you? Can you post the scans? I haven't read that storyline in a while. Someone stated that he always carries that device. Is this true?

Originally posted by cloud102
Do you have Rock Of Ages with you? Can you post the scans? I haven't read that storyline in a while. Someone stated that he always carries that device. Is this true?

I'm pretty sure a good buddy of mine still has it kicking around but unfortunatly I don't have a scanner either. From what I remember he does always carry the device with him but it's been awhile since I picked it up, gotta check up on it now lol.

SS wins 8/10.

Surfer 8/10... without having to use Radion.

Radion is a non-issue. Only the New Gods know about it or have access to it.

And get that cosmic awareness shit out of here. Surfer's CA is not going to suddenly inform him of a substance from a dimension beyond his comprehension or how to create it. Even in New God comics, Radion is very rare. As previously mentioned, Orion has tanked a few shots of it.

The Genesis Box.......is just an ordinary motherbox. Orion modified it abit, but it's really just a motherbox at heart. 😬

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Radion is a non-issue. Only the New Gods know about it or have access to it.

And get that cosmic awareness shit out of here. Surfer's CA is not going to suddenly inform him of a substance from a dimension beyond his comprehension or how to create it. Even in New God comics, Radion is very rare. As previously mentioned, Orion has tanked a few shots of it.

The Genesis Box.......is just an ordinary motherbox. Orion modified it abit, but it's really just a motherbox at heart. 😬

So trick do u have any scans of Orion creatin motherboxes out of thin air?

P.S- cloud 102, i just skimmed through JLA rock of ages and i didnt see anything to suggest that Orion even created the genesis box at all.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Radion is a non-issue. Only the New Gods know about it or have access to it.

And get that cosmic awareness shit out of here. Surfer's CA is not going to suddenly inform him of a substance from a dimension beyond his comprehension or how to create it. Even in New God comics, Radion is very rare. As previously mentioned, Orion has tanked a few shots of it.

The Genesis Box.......is just an ordinary motherbox. Orion modified it abit, but it's really just a motherbox at heart. 😬

Can you post the scans of ROA?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Radion is a non-issue. Only the New Gods know about it or have access to it.

And get that cosmic awareness shit out of here. Surfer's CA is not going to suddenly inform him of a substance from a dimension beyond his comprehension or how to create it. Even in New God comics, Radion is very rare. As previously mentioned, Orion has tanked a few shots of it.

The Genesis Box.......is just an ordinary motherbox. Orion modified it abit, but it's really just a motherbox at heart. 😬

Actually, didn't Orion survive a nuc combined with Radion in Simonson's run? Shows how good his durability is. Surviving his own weakness.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/e24de751.jpg

Originally posted by darthgoober
What makes you think that it would be beyond the comprehension of someone like Surfer, who has had Cosmic Awareness for centuries, visited countless dimesions of virtually every type, and has either been made one with the Universe or turned into his own universe(depending on how you interpret it) by LT?

So it's in ur opinion SS can recreate a very rare substance in a insanly fast amount of time before a opponent of Orion's speed could act. It isn't a easy fight either way,if we are going to assume SS can suddenly create "radion"then its only fair to assume Orion has the energy manipulation to create a device of the power quality of a motherbox. In conjunction with his harness, its also perfectly logical to assume he could harness this energy offensivly into a concussive blast.

loool wut? ITs clear that someone is baked

If were going to go by every bluemoon feat of SS and assume the best about him then why not give Orion the same treatment. Personally I think its a pretty even fight, how it can be see as a stomp in favor of either opoonent is beyond me.

Slig who had vast tranmutation powers, planetary even, had no effect on Orion. I see it as almost dead even myself.

Originally posted by Makky
So it's in ur opinion SS can recreate a very rare substance in a insanly fast amount of time before a opponent of Orion's speed could act. It isn't a easy fight either way,if we are going to assume SS can suddenly create "radion"then its only fair to assume Orion has the energy manipulation to create a device of the power quality of a motherbox. In conjunction with his harness, its also perfectly logical to assume he could harness this energy offensivly into a concussive blast.

I never said that, I said he'd take 8/10 without having to bother with Radion(Orion could probably make a show of it though). As far as I'm concerned, not enough concrete evidence exist on either side to make a definite claim. I can see reasonable arguments from both sides to support their case, it's just a matter of which you'd rather believe.

But just for those seeking examples, Mephisto used Surfer's Power Cosmic to repair/recreate a bizarre alien spaceship from another universes because Surfer's power was better at that kind of thing than Mephisto's own, so I'd say the evidence is slightly more in favor of him being able to do it successfully than there is to the contrary(still not enough to be certain though).

Originally posted by darthgoober

But just for those seeking examples, Mephisto used Surfer's Power Cosmic to repair/recreate a bizarre alien spaceship from another universes because Surfer's power was better at that kind of thing than Mephisto's own

Ur talkin of the weapon zero(devils reign) comic right?