Russia v Georgia

Originally posted by inimalist
However, the attacking of cities like Gori by Russian forces seems to show a fairly aggressive plan of action by the bear.

Total War will resolve the conflict much faster than a limited assault on the Ossetia front.

Now, is that what Jesus would say?

and less cynically, sure, as would nuclear winter and total human genocide.

Originally posted by inimalist
Now, is that what Jesus would say?

and less cynically, sure, as would nuclear winter and total human genocide.

Jesus wouldn't have invaded in the first place.

Yes it would, however, this isn't a world war, this is a simple conflict.

If you were at war, would you rather end it quickly or allow it to run on for months or even years?

Yes, yes, lets not question Russia, evil Western propaganda is just trying to paint them as bad. There's nothing wrong in Russia at all, it's the pinnacle of humanity and civilized thought.

Originally posted by Bicnarok

This one could be a lot bloody by the looks of it. Russian appears to be wanting to put down new democratic countries growing in their area.

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i've heard some total rubbish in my time but this is right up there with the best in terms of bullshit...

as other people have stated...this is Georgia's doing...if they plan on attacking Ossetia then they can reap what they sow...and the Russians dont ponce about...they'll just blast the living shit out of Georgia like they did with Chechnya

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, yes, lets not question Russia, evil Western propaganda is just trying to paint them as bad. There's nothing wrong in Russia at all, it's the pinnacle of humanity and civilized thought.

Yes, well, thank god noone here is saying that...

western propaganda doesnt discredit the fact that russia has increasingly grown more aggressive over the past years and has a long record of wagin wars on civilians and using the worst genocide and ethnic cleansing methods against states which have broken away. not to mention using force against its own civilians, activists, etc has any1 forgotten the school takeover by terrorists and russian soldiers killing most of their own people indiscriminately to eliminate the terrorists???? georgia is a disaster, it didnt truly start the war, it isnt that stupid, and russia is targetting civilians, agreat number.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
western propaganda doesnt discredit the fact that russia has increasingly grown more aggressive over the past years and has a long record of wagin wars on civilians and using the worst genocide and ethnic cleansing methods against states which have broken away. not to mention using force against its own civilians, activists, etc has any1 forgotten the school takeover by terrorists and russian soldiers killing most of their own people indiscriminately to eliminate the terrorists???? georgia is a disaster, it didnt truly start the war, it isnt that stupid, and russia is targetting civilians, agreat number.

How ironic, the Western World isolates Russia, pushes it out of International Society, demonizes it but still thinks it should play by our rules.

How can we tell Russia how it should behave?

Iraq and Afghanistan totally out of everyone's mind?

^no 1 is supporting america here, but to say that russia is any better is foolish. they just have different ways of goind about spreading destruction and imposing their self righteous sadistic egoes. it isnt that russia shud play by WESTERN rules, its that every1 shud play by HUMANITARIAN rules.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Yes, well, thank god noone here is saying that...

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Russia is protecting its citizens who are located in Georgia.

America has no reason to interfere- not that they really have the mandate too. (Who were they protecting when they invaded Iraq?)

The media never does anything but critizse the Russian Federation- no matter what they do.

Personally, I'd much rather have Putin than Brown.

Georgia broke a ceasefire with South Ossetia but did not expect the Russian retaliation- thus it is Georgia's fault.

Citizens that are located in another country thus violating Georgia, there are plenty of landes where there are a minority ore majority that are being surpressed, but just because it's russians then they choose to act and just because it's Russia none is doing anything about it.

In some way the US will have the mandate to interfere, I believe Georgia was in some way in a alliance with NATO though not a member the closest you can get to it. What keeps the US from stepping in is from my point of view that they doesn't want to further distance themselves from the russians.

Really? Well at least some are critizing the Russian goverment, because it isn't there socalled "independent media" in russia that are doing it.

???

Again is South Ossetia part of Georgia: Yes ore No.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Parts of it are said by some people (including you). Obviously it was exaggerated. Good job spotting it. Have a cookie.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Again is South Ossetia part of Georgia: Yes ore No.

Aug. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Georgia withdrew its troops from the separatist region of South Ossetia after four days of fighting with Russian and Ossetian forces as armed conflict heated up in a second region, Abkhazia.

Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said Georgia is pulling its troops out of South Ossetia after Georgian casualties rose ``into the hundreds.'' Russian officials confirmed the withdrawal and put the South Ossetian death toll at more than 2,000, many of them Russian citizens. Most residents of South Ossetia hold Russian passports.

In Abkhazia, President Sergei Bagapsh gave Georgia a deadline for removing its troops from the upper Kodori Gorge, a part of the region controlled by Georgia, as Abkhaz warplanes and artillery pounded Georgian positions for a second day, according to a statement on the president's Web site. Bagapsh said Abkhazia is acting ``independently,'' without Russian help. Utiashvili said Russian paratroopers and infantry are deployed in Abkhazia, and that fighting began earlier today.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said today that Georgia's actions ``can't be described as anything other than genocide.'' Heavy fighting began on Aug. 7 in South Ossetia, which broke from Georgia in a war in the early 1990s. Russia sent troops and tanks into the disputed region the next day in what it said was a response to Georgia's assault on Russian citizens and peacekeeping forces.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=apjn7JAm9ZMU&refer=home

Genocide is a little over the top.

Ahh okay thanks RocasAtoll, then the Georgians are the first big villians, then secondly the Russians because they choosed to escalete the conflict, but the prize for be the main villian in the first round goes to Georgia in my opinion.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Ahh okay thanks RocasAtoll, then the Georgians are the first big villians, then secondly the Russians because they choosed to escalete the conflict, but the prize for be the main villian in the first round goes to Georgia in my opinion.

Actually, the Georgians choose to escalate the conflict by breaking the ceasefire.

If there were 1000 American's living in Mexico and the Mexican Government attacked them, the US would intervene. All countries should be ready to defend its' citizens no matter where they are.

I agree that the Georgians are in the wrong, but that ridiculous attack on "the west" we had earlier in this thread is idiotic and low.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Actually, the Georgians choose to escalate the conflict by breaking the ceasefire.

If there were 1000 American's living in Mexico and the Mexican Government attacked them, the US would intervene. All countries should be ready to defend its' citizens no matter where they are.

huh? There has been no ceasefire between Georgia and Russia even though Georgia has asked for it.

So it's okay for China to keep control over Tibet because else according to them the Chine people living in Tibet would be attacked?

why do all world events discussions have to degenerate into yet more u.s. bashing?

god i hope putin doesnt suffer from an ingrown toenail because then comes a new thread and more 'evil stupid propagandist american empire' discussion.

Originally posted by Schecter
why do all world events discussions have to degenerate into yet more u.s. bashing?

Because USA took the librety of sticking its greasy fingers in pretty much all the rest of the world's business.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Because USA took the librety of sticking its greasy fingers in pretty much all the rest of the world's business.

Yeah, yeah, whine, whine, your precious Russia still made 10 thousands of people flee from their homes. Striking air attacks on civilian targets, etc.

The USA really doesn't need to be included in your rants now. Lets rather talk about how Georgia and Russia are fascist bastards, kay?

Originally posted by Utrigita
huh? There has been no ceasefire between Georgia and Russia even though Georgia has asked for it.

So it's okay for China to keep control over Tibet because else according to them the Chine people living in Tibet would be attacked?

They had a Ceasefire with South Ossetia and then broke it. Yet, now they are asking for one with Russia?

I think they should be taught a lesson for their illegal assualt on the Ossetian republic.

I don't recall the Chinese Citizens of Tibet being attacked by Tibetian forces...