Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
If there were 1000 American's living in Mexico and the Mexican Government attacked them, the US would intervene. All countries should be ready to defend its' citizens no matter where they are.
There are thousands of Americans living in Mexico; they're mostly retired rich white people who live in beachfront houses. If the Mexican govt was that stupid, the border we share would become a minefield between electric razorwire and Alien style sentryguns.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
They had a Ceasefire with South Ossetia and then broke it. Yet, now they are asking for one with Russia?I think they should be taught a lesson for their illegal assualt on the Ossetian republic.
I don't recall the Chinese Citizens of Tibet being attacked by Tibetian forces...
Just to add to what you said about ceasfir, Saakashvili called for ceasfire (which he broke to begin with) only after Russians pushed all his forces out of Tskhinvali.
This attack on Russia's soverginity, Russian citizens will cost Saakashvili dearly.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Just to add to what you said about ceasfir, Saakashvili called for ceasfire (which he broke to begin with) only after Russians pushed all his forces out of Tskhinvali.This attack on Russia's soverginity, Russian citizens will cost Saakashvili dearly.
How is it going to cost him? Are Russia going to play puppet master and create their own regime?
And how much do you think Russia should pay for civilian bombing attacks on Georgia?
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
What do you expect? He got his ass kicked.How is it going to cost him? Are Russia going to play puppet master and create their own regime?
And how much do you think Russia should pay for civilian bombing attacks on Georgia?
You know what they say "Inter arma enim silent leges".
McCain has called for Putin to halt the "totally, absolutely unacceptable."
"I would be very direct with President Putin that these actions will have consequences long term, in terms of our relationship with Russia, and it is in violation of the norms of international conduct,"
"Violation of the norms of international conduct,"
Russia defends its citizens and it is breaking the "norms of international conduct"...
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
McCain has called for Putin to halt the "totally, absolutely unacceptable.""I would be very direct with President Putin that these actions will have consequences long term, in terms of our relationship with Russia, and it is in violation of the norms of international conduct,"
"Violation of the norms of international conduct,"
Russia defends its citizens and it is breaking the "norms of international conduct"...
It's doing it in an extreme fashion, endangering many more civilians (though not their citizens)
Originally posted by Bardock42
It's doing it in an extreme fashion, endangering many more civilians (though not their citizens)
Then maybe, their government shouldn't have thought it could bully a small breakaway people without repercussions.
As for the ceasefire, Russia just sunk a missle boat which entered Russian waters (part of a fleet of 4)
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
McCain has called for Putin to halt the "totally, absolutely unacceptable.""I would be very direct with President Putin that these actions will have consequences long term, in terms of our relationship with Russia, and it is in violation of the norms of international conduct,"
"Violation of the norms of international conduct,"
Russia defends its citizens and it is breaking the "norms of international conduct"...
Double standards, yet again.
When Bush administration bombed Afghanistan and Iraq back to the stone age, then it was 'humanitarian intervention', it was 'right', they were looking for Bin Laden who murdered 3 000 Americans and Saddam Hussain whos resonsible for killing 11 billion babies and feeding them to Iraqi population while manufacturing weapons of mass distruction.
Saakashvili is a dictator in Georgia. He planned and organized murder of those 2 000 South Ossetian civilians. That is a direct attack on Russia and provocation.
Of course Russia will respond! Saakashvili waged war on Russia, and now hes sitting in shit which he made, and dragging the Georgian population down with him.
Irresponsible dictatorial puppet! Thats all Saakashvili is.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Double standards, yet again.When Bush administration bombed Afghanistan and Iraq back to the stone age, then it was 'humanitarian intervention', it was 'right', they were looking for Bin Laden who murdered 3 000 Americans and Saddam Hussain whos resonsible for killing 11 billion babies and feeding them to Iraqi population while manufacturing weapons of mass distruction.
Saakashvili is a dictator in Georgia. He planned and organized murder of those 2 000 South Ossetian civilians. That is a direct attack on Russia and provocation.
Of course Russia will respond! Saakashvili waged war on Russia, and now hes sitting in shit which he made, and dragging the Georgian population down with him.Irresponsible dictatorial puppet! Thats all Saakashvili is.
Yeah, it is a double standard.
On their part as well as YOURS.
At least be consistent with your lunacy.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Russia does not claim 'humanitarian interviention', they claim war, therefore no double standards.Now calm down, and go eat some cake or something.
You and Grand Moff claim they do it solely to protect the people in the region.
So maybe you should stop a bit with your weird accusations and propaganda and go save some money or something.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You and Grand Moff claim they do it solely to protect the people in the region.So maybe you should stop a bit with your weird accusations and propaganda and go save some money or something.
What is the other reason then?
Even the BBC is saying it appears that the Russian Federation is making an impromptu attack, they were not planning it.
Russia will accept a ceasefire when the invading Georgian forces withdraw from occupied territory- its simple.
Originally posted by chithappens
I think what Bardock is getting at is that military action only occurs when incentive comes into play.
And incentive is that Georgians act of agression was a direct aggression against Russia's sovereignty, Russian citizens and Russian peacekeepers. And this is offical statement from Rogozin.
The fighting has spread to Abkhazia as well.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Jesus wouldn't have invaded in the first place.
thats a dodge though, isn't it?
like, i mean, President Jesus of Russia has just been informed by his defense advisor that Odessia has been attacked by Georgian aggressors, is his response really "make those ****ers pay"?
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Yes it would, however, this isn't a world war, this is a simple conflict.
but if the desire is quickest victory, then even you must believe the Russians are acting with restraint.
They could turn Georgia into Chernobyl part 2 and there would never be conflict between Georgian authorities and Odessia ever again, quick, easy, victory.
However, obviously you don't believe that and I feel you should realize that it is rather like putting your foot in your mouth to defend the targeting of civilian cites by Russian forces.
Sometimes the easiest thing isn't the right thing 😉
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
If you were at war, would you rather end it quickly or allow it to run on for months or even years?
I would do everything I could to end the conflict with the lowest loss of lives. A situation that devolves to war is lost in the first place.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Because USA took the librety of sticking its greasy fingers in pretty much all the rest of the world's business.
if you're going to blame the u.s. for this war, then the least you could do is specify. just seems to me that even when indirectly involved, you and others seem to place u.s. bashing far above the actual topic at hand in terms of priority for discussion.
many times scrutiny against the u.s. is warranted, but it also seems that the u.s. has become the world's scapegoat. now its used to divert attention away from putin, who apparently pisses rainbows and craps sunshine in your eyes.
whatever your opinion thats fine, but to just jump the whole topic and bash the u.s. when they are not even directly involved makes you folks seems trite, silly, and boringly predictable.