Originally posted by inimalist
WTF IS SO SPECIAL ABOUT THIS GOD DAMMED PIECE OF LAND!there are no resources, its of no military significance, why the hell are the world's superpowers fighting each other over it?
/emo
From what I understand when the Soviet Union was collapsing America helped Georgia to free itself from Russia. Maybe its not about the resources but the principle of the thing.
What a sec didn't Russia have some beef with Georgia over oil?
Originally posted by Bicnarok
I can´t fathom why Georgia acted in such a way. Russia isn´t know for its tolerance and
willingness to waffle about at the UN for months before it acts. Maybe it expected help from other countries.
Really bad timing America has troops in Iraq qand Afghanistan and they are being stretched. Its pretty god damn stupid in my opinion and irresponsible.
There is criticism of Russia pushing back Georgian forces deep into their own territory.
That criticism is misplaced.
South Ossetia is the one calling the Shots, first the summons to Russia for Salvation second the unofficial request to get even with their aggressors.
That's what France did in WW2 it requested The Allies save it protect it and give its neigbour Germany a bloody nose.
Everyone likes to get even. And Payback is a *****.
In Theory South Ossetia could stop everything by saying "Thanks Guys we owe you one. don't call us we'll call you."
In reality Russia will say "fine, but WTF we can't keep doing this dance time and time again.
Its bad for our image and bad for business your problems are giving us problems.
Lets end this. Either you join up with us or you pay us to protect you. Or we walk and leave you to your own devices."
South Ossetia is too weak to survive unaided. They have to accept this for the region to have stability.
I doubt that Russia has to dance to S. Ossetia´s tune.
They might just take the whole of Goergia as well and call it theirs, who´s going to stop them. No one, especially the USA is going to risk a massive war over some obscure countries.
The USA only attacks countries that can´t reach its mainland, it won´t have a crack at Russian.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
From what I understand when the Soviet Union was collapsing America helped Georgia to free itself from Russia. Maybe its not about the resources but the principle of the thing.
thats sort of what I meant. If its not about resources or whatever, just about nationalist ego, its such a tragic waste of life.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What a sec didn't Russia have some beef with Georgia over oil?
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/georgia/oil-politics.htm
this makes 700% more sense now
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Its about boxing in the "Islamic threat".
lol, the "fighting them over there" principle?
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
They had a Ceasefire with South Ossetia and then broke it. Yet, now they are asking for one with Russia?I think they should be taught a lesson for their illegal assualt on the Ossetian republic.
I don't recall the Chinese Citizens of Tibet being attacked by Tibetian forces...
A ceasefire forced down on there head in 1992 by Russia. Then in 2004 Georgia strenghted there position in the land because of rising crime, a problem Russia was in no way willing to help combat, Also all are so quick to blame Georgia for firing the first shot, when none actually know who fired the first shot in Tshinkvali, to me it could as easily have been the South Ossetians as it could have been the Geogians, lets face it they isn't exactly love birds.
If you analyse the size difference army wise anything else then to ask for ceasefire against Russia would be idiotic.
Yes they should, but none asked Russia to bomb Georgia back to the stone age, lets remember one thing here, none attacked Russia, Russia intervened on there own account, because they thought it was there right, in that aspect they where no better then US attacking Iraq.
Yet the Chinese goverment claim that is the reason they stay in the country to protect there citizens from attacks? and that is by you comment no problem, because they have the right to protect there citizens.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Also all are so quick to blame Georgia for firing the first shot, when none actually know who fired the first shot in Tshinkvali, to me it could as easily have been the South Ossetians as it could have been the Geogians, lets face it they isn't exactly love birds.
this is very true
however, the Georgian response saw intense shelling of civilian populations, which is inexcuseable
Originally posted by inimalist
this is very truehowever, the Georgian response saw intense shelling of civilian populations, which is inexcuseable
I agree, and that was not a way to justify that Georgia have attack civilians merely a request, to remember that we doesn't know who actually fired the first shot and broke the cease fire, giving both parties history I would say that both could have done it.
Originally posted by inimalist
would you say that about all the people who lost their lives on 9-11?
Those people are out of the game
And who is responsible for that?
I don't see how Afghanistan and Iraq are teh Demonz in that scenario
For payback you have to clearly identify your enemy.
so if a snake bites you. nuking the Planet is not payback, or nuking the adjuscent Solar system which thinks snakes are cool
To get payback you must correctly identify the snake that bit you First.
so if you rob me and I beat up a guy who drives a car like yours that is not payback.
The answer to your question is no.
Originally posted by shiv
The answer to your question is no.
well, aside from being nonsensical, you totally misinterpreted my question
Al Qaeda launched attacks against American interests and finally against the American mainland in retaliation to American involvement in many places in the Middle East.
Thus, those who were killed on 9-11 were killed as payback for American misadventures, and thus, in your words, are a *****.
I didn't ask if the American response to 9-11 was payback, but hey, thats cool, American egoism and all that.
Originally posted by inimalist
this makes 700% more sense now
LOL, you can say that again.
Originally posted by chithappens
I didn't even know about this but it was obvious that some "tangible" incentive was in play.It is never about morality/respect/(whatever bullshit word we would like to insert).
Yup.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/georgia/oil-politics.htm
Originally posted by inimalist
well, aside from being nonsensical, you totally misinterpreted my question
an open ended question.
Originally posted by inimalist
Al Qaeda launched attacks against American interests and finally against the American mainland in retaliation to American involvement in many places in the Middle East.
k.
Originally posted by inimalist Thus, those who were killed on 9-11 were killed as payback for American misadventures, and thus, in your words, are a *****.[/B]
OH. MY. GOD.
Originally posted by inimalist I didn't ask if the American response to 9-11 was payback, but hey, thats cool, American egoism and all that. [/B]
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