Liu Kang vs. Gouki

Originally posted by SmashBro
Gouki can't do a punch normally and destroy an island. Stop lying.

And seeing that you admitted that Gouki's effect on a person won't be any different from Liu Kang's, all that was pointless.

...Okay, lemme put it this way.

If someone who can destroy a universe, let's say the Phoenix Force, were to do an Omnidirectional blast at a normal person, the effect would be, they would incinerate.

Now, Mad Jim Jaspers, a mutant from Marvel, can destroy the Omniverse. If he did an Omnidirectional blast on someone, it would be the same as the PF's blast, incinerate them.

But here is the thing, Mad Jim Jasper's attack was still much much much more powerful than PF's.

So Mad Jim Jasper is more powerful.

Get it?

And then there is the fact that Gouki is faster and more durable...Yeah Liu Kang is dead.

Originally posted by SmashBro
And seeing that you basically admitted that Gouki's effect on a person won't be any different from Liu Kang's, all that was pointless.

Err, why not? There's nothing to say he can't in a theoretical matchup, especially since all these matchups are the characters at their best... *Shrugs*

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Prove he used a special art or technique to destroy the island. Prove it was ANYTHING other than a normal punch.

...Okay, lemme put it this way.

If someone who can destroy a universe, let's say the Phoenix Force, were to do an Omnidirectional blast at a normal person, the effect would be, they would incinerate.

Now, Mad Jim Jaspers, a mutant from Marvel, can destroy the Omniverse. If he did an Omnidirectional blast on someone, it would be the same as the PF's blast, incinerate them.

But here is the thing, Mad Jim Jasper's attack was still much much much more powerful than PF's.

So Mad Jim Jasper is more powerful.

Get it?

And then there is the fact that Gouki is faster and more durable...Yeah Liu Kang is dead.

1. He powered up. You can tell it wasn't a normal punch, as there was light coming from his hand. Light that doesn't come out regularly.

You see that's my point; you can't tell which one's more powerful if they both have the same effect on someone or something. You can use a shoe to kill an ant and then you can use boot to kill another one. End the end, what? They both still got squashed. Which shoe you used doesn't make a difference.

Oh and I wonder how fast Gouki is and if his durability is gonna keep him from getting his head chopped off or body exploding.

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. He powered up. You can tell it wasn't a normal punch, as there was light coming from his hand. Light that doesn't come out regularly.

You see that's my point; you can't tell which one's more powerful if they both have the same effect on someone or something. You can use a shoe to kill an ant and then you can use boot to kill another one. End the end, what? They both still got squashed. Which shoe you used doesn't make a difference.

Oh and I wonder how fast Gouki is and if his durability is gonna keep him from getting his head chopped off or body exploding.

......Yeah, you actually CAN tell which one is more powerful. If one's best feat with a powered up punch is knocking a head off, and the other's is splitting a mountain, the fvcking mountain splitter is more powerful. Dude, are you ignorant!?

Fast enough to leap 1,000 meters in a few seconds. His durability won't let that happen, a normal human would be compressed to a small orb at that depth, Gouki stood in those conditions. He can take those attacks handily.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. He powers up in fights normally. And you can't tell he powered up. He had an aura. No light came from his hand, it came from the ground from the force of the blow.

......Yeah, you actually CAN tell which one is more powerful. If one's best feat with a powered up punch is knocking a head off, and the other's is splitting a mountain, the fvcking mountain splitter is more powerful. Dude, are you ignorant!?

Fast enough to leap 1,000 meters in a few seconds. His durability won't let that happen, a normal human would be compressed to a small orb at that depth, Gouki stood in those conditions. He can take those attacks handily.

1. It came from his HAND. You can clearly see his hand was glowing when he punched the ground. Don't deny it.

Are you paying attention to what's being said to you? He can split a darn mountain all he wants, it doesn't change the fact that it's effect on a PERSON won't be any different from Liu Kang's attacks. All it matters is how it kills someone, not something.

There was "no 1,000 meters in a few seconds". No proof of that. And there is no proof that he could withstand such attacks. He's never taken these kind of attacks before so you saying he can is pure nonsense.

I don't think so... I think the light you see is from the impact of the attack as well, since it did cause an explosion when the Island was destroyed...

Hold on.... Splitting a mountain, destroying an island, and destroying a ship + a submarine are multi megatonne level strength feats... I'mm talking triple digits in megatonnage fir the island killer alone... Do you realise it only takes about 5 tonnes worth of force PSI to liquefy the human body? Watch the effects of a bus or truck hitting someone at 100kmph, you have a greasy patch on the road.

Now, imagine that ramped up a few hundred times (1 megatonne = 100 tonnes), you do the math... Kang would be turned to Vapour if he's hit with that kind of force...

Hard to judge how deep Gouki was, but surviving at a depth that begins to block sunlight has to be pretty frigging deep... surviving that pressure is a massive durability feat..., then we have the rapid ascention, all the while destroying 2 vessels and bringing up the remnants within 30 seconds is badass enough, but you also have the fact that Gouki didn't suffer from rapid decompression, which shows remarkable control of the body....

Yeah, I have a feeling Gouki will win this with consumate ease.

His hand is shining and it even flashes everywhere. I doubt his hand would be completely the same color as the impact. Heck, from the looks of it, it's the shiniest thing in that area.

You don't get it. I'm not saying his attack won't kill Liu Kang because it will but at the same time, Liu Kang's attack will kill Gouki too. Going deep inside of the water doesn't mean you'll withstand either of the things Liu Kang can do because they're different. Gouki's attacks would split person in half. That's just as deadly as cutting someone's head off or making them explode just with a punch. Either way, they both can kill a person and that's all I'm saying.

Ok, so lava/exploding rock doesn't generate light, and light doesn't reflect off of skin... is that what your telling me?

Err, no, Gouki's durability feat far surpasses any of Kang's strength feats by miles...Not to mention your reffering solely to fatalities, the majority of which can't be replicated in actual battles and exist purely for show. *Looks at Smoke blowing up the world with a handful of grenades* = bullsh!t.

Originally posted by SmashBro
That's urban talk, like "whaddup, dog?" or "yo, dog" or something like that.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ok, so lava/exploding rock doesn't generate light, and light doesn't reflect off of skin... is that what your telling me?

How can you tell that that light was coming from lava? You don't see any lava in the ground.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Err, no, Gouki's durability feat far surpasses any of Kang's strength feats by miles...Not to mention your reffering solely to fatalities, the majority of which can't be replicated in actual battles and exist purely for show. *Looks at Smoke blowing up the world with a handful of grenades* = bullsh!t.

Gouki's durability feat doesn't surpass Liu Kang's strength feat at all. Saying going deep into the water means he can withstand such attacks is ridiculous. And no, the fatalities aren't just for show. One example I can think of is the original Sub-Zero (Noob Saibot) had actually killed Scorpion by ripping his head off, which just happened to be one of his fatalities. In addition, alot of the MK characters has shown do things they don't normaly do during gameplay at all and there's plenty of examples for that. Why I'm using only some of Liu Kang's fatalities and not all of them is because it actually makes sense as it relates to his abilities. Now if you wanna talk about stuff like dumping the arcade, then yes, those are most likely just for show.

And to correct you, that was Cyrax.

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Originally posted by SmashBro
How can you tell that that light was coming from lava? You don't see any lava in the ground.

It's liquefied rock from the impact... do you know what lava is?

Originally posted by SmashBro
Gouki's durability feat doesn't surpass Liu Kang's strength feat at all. Saying going deep into the water means he can withstand such attacks is ridiculous. And no, the fatalities aren't just for show. One example I can think of is the original Sub-Zero (Noob Saibot) had actually killed Scorpion by ripping his head off, which just happened to be one of his fatalities. In addition, alot of the MK characters has shown do things they don't normaly do during gameplay at all and there's plenty of examples for that. Why I'm using only some of Liu Kang's fatalities and not all of them is because it actually makes sense as it relates to his abilities. Now if you wanna talk about stuff like dumping the arcade, then yes, those are most likely just for show.

I can think of maybe ONE fatality Kang has in the original trilogy that has any chance of being real, and that was the original cartwheel kick to super uppercut. And that didn't cause decapitation or body cleaving or explosions of any kind... Gouki's durability is without question, have a look at some of the people he's defeated, have a look at his draws...

Bison
Adon
Ryu
Goken
Gouketesu
Oro
Gill
Gen

All of which would give most MKers a run for their money, including Kang, and with the exeption of Adon, could walk away victorious.

Originally posted by SmashBro
And to correct you, that was Cyrax.

Wrong, it was Cyber Smokes hidden 3rd fatality, Cyrax only had the Grenade Special.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It's liquefied rock from the impact... do you know what lava is?

Yes, I know what lava is and there was no lava there.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I can think of maybe ONE fatality Kang has in the original trilogy that has any chance of being real, and that was the original cartwheel kick to super uppercut. And that didn't cause decapitation or body cleaving or explosions of any kind... Gouki's durability is without question, have a look at some of the people he's defeated, have a look at his draws...

Bison
Adon
Ryu
Goken
Gouketesu
Oro
Gill
Gen

All of which would give most MKers a run for their money, including Kang, and with the exeption of Adon, could walk away victorious.

All of that's got nothing to do with durability, especially since most of them were either weaker than he was, equal, or just simply caught off guard. Plus, hardly any of them were that impressive. And I find it strange that the fatality you think is real just happened to be one that doesn't kill. And also, that fatality can kill someone in Mortal Kombat Shaolin Monks.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Wrong, it was Cyber Smokes hidden 3rd fatality, Cyrax only had the Grenade Special.

I forgot, Smoke had it first and then Cyrax.

gouki wins 10/10

either kang gets beaten to death by a mix of fighting moves and chi techniques, or he impresses gouki enough for him to kill him with the shun goku satsu. either way kang dies.

Liu Lame dies? Hell yeah!!!! 💃

Originally posted by brainchild81
Liu Lame dies? Hell yeah!!!! 💃

He's a Mortal Kombat character. Nobody really dies. 😂

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. It came from his HAND. You can clearly see his hand was glowing when he punched the ground. Don't deny it.

Are you paying attention to what's being said to you? He can split a darn mountain all he wants, it doesn't change the fact that it's effect on a PERSON won't be any different from Liu Kang's attacks. All it matters is how it kills [b]someone, not something.

There was "no 1,000 meters in a few seconds". No proof of that. And there is no proof that he could withstand such attacks. He's never taken these kind of attacks before so you saying he can is pure nonsense. [/B]

Gouki could LITERALLY bend Liu Lame over his knee and spank him if he wanted to, and kill him in the process.

Gouki punching the island caused an explosion, explosions generally generate light.

Liu Lame has no durability feats to suggest he could take a single punch from Gouki, whereas Gouki has durability feats that show he can survive anything from Liu Lame.

Yes there was, he was 1,000 meters down, and he was shown to reach the surface in a few seconds. And he has taken greater punishment than Liu Lame's pussy attacks.

If someone took a punch from Superman, obviously they can take one from, say, Wonderwoman.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
This debate is stupid.

Gouki could LITERALLY bend Liu Lame over his knee and spank him if he wanted to, and kill him in the process.

Gouki punching the island caused an explosion, explosions generally generate light.

Liu Lame has no durability feats to suggest he could take a single punch from Gouki, whereas Gouki has durability feats that show he can survive anything from Liu Lame.

Yes there was, he was 1,000 meters down, and he was shown to reach the surface in a few seconds. And he has taken greater punishment than Liu Lame's pussy attacks.

If someone took a punch from Superman, obviously they can take one from, say, Wonderwoman.

If it's stupid why are you taking part in it?

I wonder how can Gouki even catch someone when it takes him ages to reach someone who's still charging their attack. 😆

Except for the fact that the explosion occured a little while after he punched the ground.

Gouki's got absolutely nothing that shows he can take Liu Kang's attacks. He's never encountered someone who can punch someone's body into pieces.

There's nothing stating that he was 1,000 meters down and even if he was, that doesn't prove withstand Liu Kang's attacks. Going deep into the water and taking those kind of attacks are two different things.

Don't know what you mean about the Superman/Wonder Woman thing.

Originally posted by SmashBro
I wonder how can Gouki even catch someone when it takes him ages to reach someone who's still charging their attack. 😆

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by SmashBro
Except for the fact that the explosion occured a little while after he punched the ground.

How the heck can you tell that from stills?

Originally posted by SmashBro
Gouki's got absolutely nothing that shows he can take Liu Kang's attacks. He's never encountered someone who can punch someone's body into pieces.

Exept none of Liu's attacks ever did that, MK1 to CM4 and Armageddon never had him blow up, rip in half or decapitate anyone with a punch... None of his fatalaties did that... He had one exploding fireball move, and guess what, Gouki can vapourise with the Messatsu Gou Hadou.

Originally posted by SmashBro
There's nothing stating that he was 1,000 meters down and even if he was, that doesn't prove withstand Liu Kang's attacks. Going deep into the water and taking those kind of attacks are two different things.

Read what depth pressure does, then you may be able to debate this...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
What are you talking about?

His fight with Ryu in the SFIV clip.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
How the heck can you tell that from stills?

Because he had time to say all that and they showed the picture of the island before it disappeared. If it exploded immediately after he punched the ground, they wouldn't have showed all of that.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Exept none of Liu's attacks ever did that, MK1 to CM4 and Armageddon never had him blow up, rip in half or decapitate anyone with a punch... None of his fatalaties did that... He had one exploding fireball move, and guess what, Gouki can vapourise with the Messatsu Gou Hadou.

That's because he doesn't wanna kill and his fatalities did do that SM.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Read what depth pressure does, then you may be able to debate this...

Is that all you can say?