Sentry vs Alpha Flight

Originally posted by -K-M-
Alpha Flight rountinely takes on far more bigger threats then Sentry. Hell even Guardian was built to take on Galactus

Sentry is very over-rated, he was easily evaded by Iron Fist, got knocked out by the C.A.P robot, Chrysler Building and an amped up Ms.Marvel and needed help to lift the Helicarrier. Even teenage Namor was taking it to him not to long ago. 😬

Sentry is only semi competent when he is bloodlusted.

C.A.P. was beating everyone, not that bad to be temporarily koed, especially since like I said, Sentry isn't competent unless he wants to be.

If I remember correctly Guardian was only a temporary nuisance to a weak Galactus.

But anyway, Sentry takes out most of Alpha Flight before losing. Unless Songbird gets rocked before she realizes Sentry is a threat. Or Sentry could act like an idiot, which he does in almost every fight, and gets beaten early. 🙂

Originally posted by Mindset
Sentry is only semi competent when he is bloodlusted.

C.A.P. was beating everyone, not that bad to be temporarily koed, especially since like I said, Sentry isn't competent unless he wants to be.

If I remember correctly Guardian was only a temporary nuisance to a weak Galactus.

But anyway, Sentry takes out most of Alpha Flight before losing. Unless Songbird gets rocked before she realizes Sentry is a threat. Or Sentry could act like an idiot, which he does in almost every fight, and gets beaten early. 🙂

He was KO'ed twice by it

No, Guardian actually knocked him out. While BOX IV, Vindicator, Quasar, Her, Sersi, Hercules, Vision, etc. working together couldn't do anything to him

I diagree with that as well, as Aurora has powers that can affect one's mind and Sentry has a very frail mind to begin with. Plus Guardian has the ability to literally shut off a person's mind once he attains their frequency as he has done so before. Aurora/Northstar recently got upgraded where they could reach the speed of light, and can cause molecules to tear apart and explode (Aurora power), BOX is just an overall beast and then you have Sasquatch and the most deadly Snowbird.

The Collective took them all out except for Snowbird, and Saquatch, but Sasquatch was in loads of trouble, and if I remember correctly was knocked out as well.

Sentry was taking him on all alone, and the only reason he lost was because of bfr. For a moment it looked as if Bob was making headway against him.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
The Collective took them all out except for Snowbird, and Saquatch, but Sasquatch was in loads of trouble, and if I remember correctly was knocked out as well.

Sentry was taking him on all alone, and the only reason he lost was because of bfr. For a moment it looked as if Bob was making headway against him.

Except as stated in the comics they wern't looking for a fight, as shown they were talking to him and he attacked killing them when their guard was down.

Only lost because of BFR? Errr?

Originally posted by -K-M-
He was KO'ed twice by it

No, Guardian actually knocked him out. While BOX IV, Vindicator, Quasar, Her, Sersi, Hercules, Vision, etc. working together couldn't do anything to him

I diagree with that as well, as Aurora has powers that can affect one's mind and Sentry has a very frail mind to begin with. Plus Guardian has the ability to literally shut off a person's mind once he attains their frequency as he has done so before. Aurora/Northstar recently got upgraded where they could reach the speed of light, and can cause molecules to tear apart and explode (Aurora power), BOX is just an overall beast and then you have Sasquatch and the most deadly Snowbird.

Well either Galactus was EXTREMELY weakened, or that is PIS.

Aurora can affect ones mind how, doing anything more than casting illusions could result in Sentry just losing control, not sure how that would help the team win.

What people's mind has Guardian shut down, because Sentry is an energy manipulator and someone with a lot of raw psychic powers.

I know Aurora and NS can reach lightspeed, but that really doesn't mean much when Sentry can go well beyond lightspeed. I didn't know about the Aurora being able to tear molecules apart, would that even work on Sentry?

And this is considering Sentry is not fighting like he did against WWH, if he does he could wreck most of the team before they get a chance to do anything imo.

Originally posted by Mindset
Well either Galactus was EXTREMELY weakened, or that is PIS.

Aurora can affect ones mind how, doing anything more than casting illusions could result in Sentry just losing control, not sure how that would help the team win.

What people's mind has Guardian shut down, because Sentry is an energy manipulator and someone with a lot of raw psychic powers.

I know Aurora and NS can reach lightspeed, but that really doesn't mean much when Sentry can go well beyond lightspeed. I didn't know about the Aurora being able to tear molecules apart, would that even work on Sentry?

And this is considering Sentry is not fighting like he did against WWH, if he does he could wreck most of the team before they get a chance to do anything.

He was weakened, as noted in the comic but what was impressive all those other people couldn't do what Guardian did in a single attack.

Using hypnotic light which have worked on magical beings before, and the last time someone used an "illusion" on Sentry he fled the Earth crying

The telepath Headlok, he freed everyone's mind he took control of including Alpha Flight, Fantastic Four and an entire village and put up telepath blocks so they couldn't be mind-controlled again. Also in the same story, Guardian unleashed an E-M wave that affected multiple people's motor functions in a split second. Also Guardian is a highly skilled energy manipulator and he was the only one who could power Galactus's tech and find the right frequency even though Quasar, BOX IV, and Her were there. He even humilated Dr.Doom by instantly shutting down his shields instantly

He wouldn't be able to do that on Earth, Aurora/Northstar have some sort of shield that protects them and the environment while going lightspeed on Earth. Why wouldn't it?

So Sentry would be allowed to fight serious, while Alpha Flight can't? They have shown to be more serious and more tactic smart then Sentry ever has and have taken down far more powerful and far more serious threats then Sentry

EDIT: Forgot to mention BOX IV and Guardian could replicate the CLOC/Iron Man incident.

Originally posted by -K-M-
He was weakened, as noted in the comic but what was impressive all those other people couldn't do what Guardian did in a single attack.

Using hypnotic light which have worked on magical beings before, and the last time someone used an "illusion" on Sentry he fled the Earth crying

The telepath Headlok, he freed everyone's mind he took control of including Alpha Flight, Fantastic Four and an entire village and put up telepath blocks so they couldn't be mind-controlled again. Also in the same story, Guardian unleashed an E-M wave that affected multiple people's motor functions in a split second. Also Guardian is a highly skilled energy manipulator and he was the only one who could power Galactus's tech and find the right frequency even though Quasar, BOX IV, Her were there.

He wouldn't be able to do that on Earth, Aurora/Northstar have some sort of shield that protects them and the environment while going lightspeed on Earth. Why wouldn't it?

So Sentry would be allowed to fight serious, while Alpha Flight can't? They have shown to be more serious and more tactic smart then Sentry ever has and have taken down far more powerful and far more serious threats then Sentry

Yea, I pretty much said illusions would work, that's why I mentioned it...

Why wouldn't it work? Well Sentry's durability. Do you have scans of her using it on someone with superhuman durability?

Yes, because I said Alpha Flight wouldn't be fighting seriously where in my post? Sentry is leagues faster than everyone on the team, which means if he is trying to kill them most of them would be put down fairly fast.

How would they know about Cloc?

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, I pretty much said illusions would work, that's why I mentioned it...
Why wouldn't it work? Well Sentry's durability. Do you have scans of her using it on someone with superhuman durability?

Yes, because I said Alpha Flight wouldn't be fighting seriously where in my post? Sentry is leagues faster than everyone on the team, which means if he is trying to kill them they would be most of them would be put down fairly fast.

Sorry thought you said they wouldn't work. My bad

Just on Taurus from the Zodiac, but they describe the power later on.

EDIT: Whoops, here's the scan..

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/WeaponX01-10.jpg

Yet you keep saying if Sentry fights serious he would kill them, but AF has a better track record against more dangerous oppoents. The problem with Sentry is we really have yet to see what he really can do, but as of late his credibility has been drastically going down. Not really, as traveling speed does not equal fighting speed and Sentry really hasn't shown any impressive fighting speed. Like I mentioned earlier even Iron Fist easily avoided his attack not to long ago

Guardian has tapped into Roxxon networks all over the world before, and he and BOX would pick up CLOC's signal talking to Sentry and counter.

Terrax's power cosmic as well as others work on the molecular level, I think that avenue of attack is a shot in the dark.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Except as stated in the comics they wern't looking for a fight, as shown they were talking to him and he attacked killing them when their guard was down.

Only lost because of BFR? Errr?

And if they were looking for a fight, and ready to defend, do you see them doing much better?

When I read the Avengers in which the Sentry took the battle to the Collective being, it looked as if he was doing a great job in my eyes, and from what I saw, he was gaining ground on the Collective. Does anyone have any scans? It is a certainty that the Sentry has undenaibly more power than at the very least 90% of anyone that has ever been a member of Alpha Flight.

To be honest he has the power to scoop up any member incapable of flight, and throw them into space.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Terrax's power cosmic as well as others work on the molecular level, I think that avenue of attack is a shot in the dark.

And if they were looking for a fight, and ready to defend, do you see them doing much better?

When I read the Avengers in which the Sentry took the battle to the Collective being, it looked as if he was doing a great job in my eyes, and from what I saw, he was gaining ground on the Collective. Does anyone have any scans? It is a certainty that the Sentry has undenaibly more power than at the very least 90% of anyone that has ever been a member of Alpha Flight.

To be honest he has the power to scoop up any member incapable of flight, and throw them into space.

Did Terrax use that ability? No, so how does that make sense?

yes, especailly since Shaman alone had absorbed Newfoundland, an atomic bomb blast, Alpha Flight, Avengers, the People's Procate into his pouch in seconds. He also has spells that can stop people from flying, time freeze just by saying "shush", turn the liquids in a persons body into crystals, create magical shields that exceed over a mile long, etc, etc.

He wasn't gaining ground on the Collective at all he needed help and that still wasn't enough. 90%? You need to read more Alpha Flight as AF had members that were going to be used to take over the multi-verse ie. Witchfire.

The likes of Diamond Lil, Yukon Jack (not sure if his bone attack would work, but with it he has killed Diamond Lil before and now that's a feat) and Puck would do nothing to him, but Sasquatch could very well go toe to toe with him if teenage Namor could. Then you have BOX who can transform building into a giant robot suit, and we have seen how Sentry has dealt with building and giant robots before (to be fair C.A.P robot was a beast though).

Originally posted by -K-M-
Sorry thought you said they wouldn't work. My bad

Just on Taurus from the Zodiac, but they describe the power later on.

EDIT: Whoops, here's the scan..

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/WeaponX01-10.jpg

Yet you keep saying if Sentry fights serious he would kill them, but AF has a better track record against more dangerous oppoents. The problem with Sentry is we really have yet to see what he really can do, but as of late his credibility has been drastically going down. Not really, as traveling speed does not equal fighting speed and Sentry really hasn't shown any impressive fighting speed. Like I mentioned earlier even Iron Fist easily avoided his attack not to long ago

Guardian has tapped into Roxxon networks all over the world before, and he and BOX would pick up CLOC's signal talking to Sentry and counter.

Looks like she speeds things up, w/e that means. Can you describe it more, sounds kinda vague.

No, I'm not saying he would kill the whole team, but the majority of the team(Puck, Aurora, NS, Diamond, Yukon Jack, possibly Jack) could be taken down fairly quickly imo.

In fighting speed he was dominating IM, in fighting speed he was fighting evenly with Genis.

So Box and Guardian would pick up on Cloc and realize they need to overload it on a whim, or do they have to actively search for it?

btw I'm not saying Sentry would win.

Every Hero and Villain has lost cred over a span of time, recently Superman was put down by one hit. If we are going by best showings Sasquatch wouldn't last very long against King Hulk, nor would Namor of any age.

Was Namor a teen in his Invader days? I thought that he was a full grown man, as he is very long lived. All the same Namor didn't really have a long fight with the Sentry in the comic that you brought up, because if he did, and Bob was outputting the kind of power that he unleashed on King Hulk, Namor would perish.

I have read quite a few Alpha Flight comics but i will not claim to be a guru, and yes my numbers are pretty close to being correct 90% is a justidiable number when you take into account all of the members that have been part of Alpha Flight.

Originally posted by Mindset
Looks like she speeds things up, w/e that means. Can you describe it more, sounds kinda vague.

No, I'm not saying he would kill the whole team, but the majority of the team(Puck, Aurora, NS, Diamond, Yukon Jack, possibly Jack) could be taken down fairly quickly imo.

In fighting speed he was dominating IM, in fighting speed he was fighting evenly with Genis.

So Box and Guardian would pick up on Cloc and realize they need to overload it on a whim, or do they have to actively search for it?

btw I'm not saying Sentry would win.

1. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/X-MenThe198Files.jpg
2. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/allnewohotmuaz01416gc.jpg

Aurora and Northstar I highly doubt he could take them out quickly, as even before their many upgrades they have shown they can dish out blows that hurt Savage Hulk. Also "possibly Jack"? Who you talking about?

His pure strength dominated Iron Man not really his speed, and he didn't show any speed when he fought Genis. Also you just gave me another tactic they could use..BFR.

Automatically search for it, as they have picked up random signal before and countered it. Even invisable things Guardian picked up the frequency of when he wasn't even searching for it.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Every Hero and Villain has lost cred over a span of time, recently Superman was put down by one hit. If we are going by best showings Sasquatch wouldn't last very long against King Hulk, nor would Namor of any age.

Was Namor a teen in his Invader days? I thought that he was a full grown man, as he is very long lived. All the same Namor didn't really have a long fight with the Sentry in the comic that you brought up, because if he did, and Bob was outputting the kind of power that he unleashed on King Hulk, Namor would perish.

I have read quite a few Alpha Flight comics but i will not claim to be a guru, and yes my numbers are pretty close to being correct 90% is a justidiable number when you take into account all of the members that have been part of Alpha Flight.

Well depends on Sasquatch as the more he loses control to Tanaraq he even could solo Sentry if he transforms into the Great Beast

Yes he was a teen, and it was long enough to show the likes of Namor could still go toe to toe with him

Talisman can control Elder Gods, Guardian beat Galactus, Witchfire was multi-versal, Earthmover is an Omega level mystic, Snowbird is a goddess and can turn into Elder Gods, Shaman is just an overall beast, Marrina in her true form was taking on the Avengers (which included Thor, and Captain Marvel ie. Pulsar), Saint Elmo was said to be 'old when the world was young', Sasquatch can become an Elder God, Persuasion very well might even be able to take control of him (she's Purple Man's daughter) same with Murmur, etc, etc

Guardian

Sasquatch
Snowbird
Box
Diamond
Aurora
Northstar
Puck
Yukon Jack

half the people you listed arent in this fight

Originally posted by george '06
Guardian

Sasquatch
Snowbird
Box
Diamond
Aurora
Northstar
Puck
Yukon Jack

half the people you listed arent in this fight

That's nice, but you missed the point

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
It is a certainty that the Sentry has undenaibly more power than at the very least 90% of anyone that has ever been a member of Alpha Flight.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I have read quite a few Alpha Flight comics but i will not claim to be a guru, and yes my numbers are pretty close to being correct 90% is a justidiable number when you take into account all of the members that have been part of Alpha Flight.

there have been a sh*t load of people in alpha flight though

Originally posted by george '06
there have been a sh*t load of people in alpha flight though

No there hasn't, unless you include Gamma, Beta and Omega Flight, which you shouldn't

My first impression was that Sentry would have a very difficult time here. But then I just keep thinking about how the Collective curbstomped Alpha Flight. And Sentry was doin pretty good against him. Way better than Alpha Flight did anyway. The teams are a bit different, but Snowbird ought to make up for Shaman's absence. Leanin towards Sentry until I see more.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
My first impression was that Sentry would have a very difficult time here. But then I just keep thinking about how the Collective curbstomped Alpha Flight. And Sentry was doin pretty good against him. Way better than Alpha Flight did anyway. The teams are a bit different, but Snowbird ought to make up for Shaman's absence. Leanin towards Sentry until I see more.

Ummm...what? It was shown Alpha Flight had their guard down and the Collective attacked. They wern't looking for a fight and they were trying to talk to him and then BAM! he attacked in a cheap shot. Hell even Iron Man was briefly taking it to the Collective himself, so by following that logic Iron Man > Alpha Flight (which is wrong and silly).

Sentry got rocked by an amped up Ms.Marvel, so why people think Sentry is unbeatable is beyond me.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Ummm...what? It was shown Alpha Flight had their guard down and the Collective attacked. They wern't looking for a fight and they were trying to talk to him and then BAM! he attacked in a cheap shot. Hell even Iron Man was briefly taking it to the Collective himself, so by following that logic Iron Man > Alpha Flight (which is wrong and silly).

Sentry got rocked by an amped up Ms.Marvel, so why people think Sentry is unbeatable is beyond me.

And Sentry got knocked unconscious by an atomic-warhead-amped Ms. Marvel, after having fought the Molemen's monsters and Shultron and all of her Iron Man suits for five issues straight. Not only that, he was doing this all while holding back the entire time because Ms. Marvel ordered him not to kill Shultron. And what people seem to forget is that Ms. Marvel also ambushed him with a cheapshot. And what people also seem to forget is that Ms. Marvel is already fugging strong and durable as hell even at normal levels. Why people continue to hold this against Sentry is beyond me.