Originally posted by NemeBro
You'd be surprised by some of Joker's fighting feats.
Oh I know, I've read so many Batman comics, and I played as him in the challange rooms, he's funky to play with.
Which is why I think a one-on-one battle with Joker pullin' counters and whatnot would be sweet. You'de even have to disarm him of his gun and shit, but the ending, one punch to finish it all.
Originally posted by Quincy
What was "out of character" for the Joker at the end exactly?
Does no one read what I post, I mean seriously?
As I said (and this is the second time I've had to repeat myself now) the Joker as a character does not care about power or being a god, it's not what he's about. Joker as a character is just the embodiment of chaos and that things just happen. He has no real motive, again he doesn't want ultimate power such things aren't relevant to him.
So to make him just want to be a Juggernaut rip-off for the fact that the dev's wanted a final boss is stupid, Joker as a character can sort of hold is own in a fight but he's not that strong. Joker as a character would never inject himself with
Spoiler:since again power and strength don't matter to him he just wants to show Batman and the world that there's no real reason for things, chaos is a force that just happens and is a part of life and that anything can happen at any time; that chaos is not a force of evil as everyone else sees it.
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The Joker would never try so hard to take over Gotham because the Joker doesn't want Gotham and he woulden't resort to becoming Bane 2.0 in order to kill Batman.
Originally posted by Quincy
Sounds like you're just nitpicking
I never said the game was bad, but it's not perfect, nothing is and the Jokers sudden character change is probably the biggest fault of the game, probably the only thing that actually lets the game down in a small degree; that personality change that forms the end boss is the only thing I (like many others) find disappointing.
Contrast that to as I said Half Life 2 that had a great story and climax while being true to the character of Dr. Breen aka he's a coward and weak so he will never fight Gordon in one to one combat, that keeps the story flowing during the end segment and makes for a satisfying end when Breen is "defeated", Batman AA's pitiful Joker battle does not however.
See Half life 2 did it right.
In other words Joker on steroids is stupid and ruins the story and stops it short of being truly awesome, the boss fights also let the game down rather sadly. Still it's a damn good game!
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
This is not the first time I hear people complaining about the crappy AA ending.
I'd have rather seen something to the nature of what Scythe suggested. Like you have to chase Joker down a labyrinth solving puzzles and defeating any goons who get in your way, or like an ultimate stealth room where there's little to no room for mistakes that would have been so much better. Or even just going up to him and punching him in the face would have been ten times better then the forced final boss.
Originally posted by Quincy
That sounds like the whole entire game.
Pretty much, it would have kept you in the experience though instead of going "wtf, whats going on why is the Joker becoming Bane 2.0, that's not like him at all."
See you would be doing what you have been during the game it would have kept immersion and the player would have felt satisfied because this time the Joker is actually in your grasp and seeing him run away from you would have felt all the more rewarding when you stopped his escape.
Immersion: when you actually feel excited knowing you're about to capture Joker yourself and after all he's put you through feel satisfied when you land that final punch.
Immersion breaking: when the Joker goes Bane 2.0 for no real reason and totally goes against everything the character stands for just to have a final boss fight, that is also very lame.
Originally posted by Quincy
Wasn't his whole plan very in character? He trapped Batman in Arkham and drove him to his limits and then wanted to beat defeat him with all of Gotham watching their hero die.Pretty sure Joker would want Batman dead.
not really. not until he'd had his fill of batman, and i don't think he'd had it in Arkham Asylum. Joker feels defined by Batman, so killing him would leave him with a great big hole in his life...