Why doesn't Batman just make a non-lethal gun?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm sure.

Anyways, it's just odd, you think Batman is pretentious and an idiot, for actually sticking by the law

He doesn't stick by the law. He breaks many laws. He does what suits him. I think he's an idiot for allowing thousands of people to die, then daring to call himself a hero.

I enjoy Punisher a lot, he is a great character, and I appreciate his approach towards crime, but I can just as well understand and appreciate Batman's, especially since I, myself, am more like Batman in that aspect, and don't really feel that I have the right to decide over life and death of any person, so I get Batman's position.

Batman's hypocritical. He feels that he doesn't have the right to decide someone's fate, yet he's willing to throw people off of buildings on the chance that they'll live. He doesn't mind driving his batmobile through traffic and over buildings at 200 miles an hour, knowing that he could hit someone, destroy something which can seriously injure someone else. He doesn't mind trespassing on private property, then proceeding to destroy that property, beat the shit out of whatever cops or security guards that might be present, then abducting someone and dropping them off in another country. Dropping SWAT teams off buildings, etc. That's all illegal. He can't know for a fact that his antics will never kill an innocent person, what with all the explosions and driving through walls and such. But he does it anyway. He does know, without a shadow of a doubt, that every time he puts the Joker in jail instead of killing him, Joker will escape and kill someone. That's what he does every time. It's in his nature.

So Batman doesn't have the balls to decide the Joker's fate, yet he is more then willing, perhaps he doesn't eve care, to condemn some poor innocent person to quite possibly an excruciatingly painful death at the hands of a man he could have done away with a long time ago. How heroic.

Like I said,

I think that every person that The Joker kills batman should make it a point to go to that persons familiy and explain how he could have prevented that death by killing Joker years ago, but didn't because it wasn't "heroic". He should then explain to them how the loved one's death was instrumental in "justice" or some shit. If he did that to every family then maybe I would have respect for him and people like him... but they don't, and so I don't.

But hey, when I see you on the TV, pulling a Punisher I will take into consideration whether a character is an idiot for not doing it 😐

I'm not sure why seeing me doing that stuff would make you consider it, considering many people do it all the time, everywhere. But okay.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
He doesn't stick by the law. He breaks many laws. He does what suits him. I think he's an idiot for allowing thousands of people to die, then daring to call himself a hero.

Batman's hypocritical. He feels that he doesn't have the right to decide someone's fate, yet he's willing to throw people off of buildings on the chance that they'll live. He doesn't mind driving his batmobile through traffic and over buildings at 200 miles an hour, knowing that he could hit someone, destroy something which can seriously injure someone else. He doesn't mind trespassing on private property, then proceeding to destroy that property, beat the shit out of whatever cops or security guards that might be present, then abducting someone and dropping them off in another country. Dropping SWAT teams off buildings, etc. That's all illegal. He can't know for a fact that his antics will never kill an innocent person, what with all the explosions and driving through walls and such. But he does it anyway. He does know, without a shadow of a doubt, that every time he puts the Joker in jail instead of killing him, Joker will escape and kill someone. That's what he does every time. It's in his nature.

So Batman doesn't have the balls to decide the Joker's fate, yet he is more then willing, perhaps he doesn't eve care, to condemn some poor innocent person to quite possibly an excruciatingly painful death at the hands of a man he could have done away with a long time ago. How heroic.

Like I said,

I'm not sure why seeing me doing that stuff would make you consider it, considering many people do it all the time, everywhere. But okay.

Oh, we are talking movie Batman? Yeah, that pissed me off, too. Though, your assumption that he does it to be called a hero is obviously ridiculous. Also, calling it a matter of balls, again goes against Batman's character and is just as ridiculous. You may (or may not) have a point about his personality having a major flaw (is quite subjective), but your evaluation for the reasons of that flaw (that may not even be one) are wrong.

And many people kill mass murderers that have been subdued in cold blood everywhere? R-really? Not where I'm from, I guess.

That's because you're from Germany. You guys do things in different ways. Wrong ways... You could learn a thing or two from good ol' American policies!

Foreign policies most notably. haermm

My issue is with Batman's character. It goes against his character, I know, and I feel that Punisher is a better character as a result. *shrug* But, similar to to you and Batman my sense of "justice" and what not mirror Franks, so meh. Comes down to opinion like most things.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
That's because you're from Germany. You guys do things in different ways. Wrong ways... You could learn a thing or two from good ol' American policies!

Foreign policies most notably. haermm

My issue is with Batman's character. It goes against his character, I know, and I feel that Punisher is a better character as a result. *shrug* But, similar to to you and Batman my sense of "justice" and what not mirror Franks, so meh. Comes down to opinion like most things.

Hmm, I dunno, I think Batman well written surpasses Punisher, who is a great character anyways. I like them both very much though. Oh and:

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I think that every person that The Joker kills batman should make it a point to go to that persons familiy and explain how he could have prevented that death by killing Joker years ago, but didn't because it wasn't "heroic". He should then explain to them how the loved one's death was instrumental in "justice" or some shit. If he did that to every family then maybe I would have respect for him and people like him... but they don't, and so I don't.

Ridiculous.

Maybe Gordon, Bullock, Superman, Montoya, Alfred, Nightwing, Robin, every Guard ever at Arkham, every police officer ever present at one of his arrests, every judge and lawyer, every psychologist and every reporter that ever got close to him can come with him and they have a fun group apology for NOT killing someone.

Dunno why you wouldn't respect all the good he does as well as all the skills he has, just cause he doesn't murder people, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Though, I am wondering, where should Batman draw the line? 5 killed people? 20? Maybe someone that steals something worth 2000$ or more should be killed. Insurance fraud? Loitering? Will you make the list for Batman, or how's that going to work out?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Hmm, I dunno, I think Batman well written surpasses Punisher, who is a great character anyways. I like them both very much though. Oh and:

I'm not really talking about the character's from an out-of-universe sense. Batman's series are the only ones from DC that I can really stand, for various reasons.

Spiderman and the Hulk are my favorite comic book characters of all time, though I do still frown on Peter's methods sometimes compared to the Punisher. As you can see, I'm pretty judgmental about this sort of thing. I suck, yeah.

Ridiculous.

Maybe Gordon, Bullock, Superman, Montoya, Alfred, Nightwing, Robin, every Guard ever at Arkham, every police officer ever present at one of his arrests, every judge and lawyer, every psychologist and every reporter that ever got close to him can come with him and they have a fun group apology for NOT killing someone.

I'm not going to act as if my sentiments are exactly logical. 😂 But I think Supes is one of the biggest fools out their as well. Gordon's "get him by the book" ideas are just as retarded (I would have killed Joker if Barbra had been my daughter, irregardless of that proving that he was essentially right. I don't have the mental stability to let something like that go.) etc.

Dunno why you wouldn't respect all the good he does as well as all the skills he has, just cause he doesn't murder people, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

I respect him when he does things like take on entire building of thugs to get to the Joker and disarm the bomb that would kill half of Gotham's population. My respect turns to irritation when he slaps the handcuffs on Joker, tells him "I'll see you next week", and lets the police take him away to go on trial sit in a jail cell etc.

Though, I am wondering, where should Batman draw the line? 5 killed people? 20? Maybe someone that steals something worth 2000$ or more should be killed. Insurance fraud? Loitering? Will you make the list for Batman, or how's that going to work out?

I'd write the list for him, yeah.

On a serious note, I'd say he should follow Frank's methods. Ask him where to draw the line. 🙂

Yo, Blax. Spidey doesn't kill, either... so, why do you like him more than Batman?

Just wonderin'.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I'm not really talking about the character's from an out-of-universe sense. Batman's series are the only ones from DC that I can really stand, for various reasons.

Spiderman and the Hulk are my favorite comic book characters of all time, though I do still frown on Peter's methods sometimes compared to the Punisher. As you can see, I'm pretty judgmental about this sort of thing. I suck, yeah.

Well, I have a thing for more rougher "heroes". I only really follow Hellblazer, Punisher and Moon Knight at the moment. But I always admired Batman's great storylines, he is just an amazing character, to me.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I'm not going to act as if my sentiments are exactly logical. 😂 But I think Supes is one of the biggest fools out their as well. Gordon's "get him by the book" ideas are just as retarded (I would have killed Joker if Barbra had been my daughter, irregardless of that proving that he was essentially right. I don't have the mental stability to let something like that go.) etc.

Oh yeah, Superman is a major douche. Especially cause that gaylord even breaks his ****ing rules at times. Don't like him at all.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I respect him when he does things like take on entire building of thugs to get to the Joker and disarm the bomb that would kill half of Gotham's population. My respect turns to irritation when he slaps the handcuffs on Joker, tells him "I'll see you next week", and lets the police take him away to go on trial sit in a jail cell etc.

I guess it can be irritating. But I understand that he thinks it is not his right to do it. (he himself ponders that question at times though)

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I'd write the list for him, yeah.

On a serious note, I'd say he should follow Frank's methods. Ask him where to draw the line. 🙂

I'm not sure if Frank knows half the time. But that's kinda what distinguishes the two characters. It's what makes Batman redeemable, while Frank, is just gone.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk

So no, Batman is an idiot compared to the Punisher. I think that every person that The Joker kills batman should make it a point to go to that persons familiy and explain how he could have prevented that death by killing Joker years ago, but didn't because it wasn't "heroic". He should then explain to them how the loved one's death was instrumental in "justice" or some shit. If he did that to every family then maybe I would have respect for him and people like him... but they don't, and so I don't.

Yeah, a master plan tactician with incredible detective skills and extremely knowledge of forensics is a total idiot compare to a gun blasting nam vet who shoots first and doesn't even bother to ask questions later.

Of course Marvel would never stoop to the level of ripping off ideas from DC. We all know that Micro chip wasn't model after Alfred Pennyworth for the Punisher.

Yeah....see your point.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Yeah, a master plan tactician with incredible detective skills and extremely knowledge of forensics is a total idiot compare to a gun blasting nam vet who shoots first and doesn't even bother to ask questions later.

Tell that to the families of the people Joker has killed over the years that him and Batman have been going at it. 🙂

Of course Marvel would never stoop to the level of ripping off ideas from DC. We all know that Micro chip wasn't model after Alfred Pennyworth for the Punisher.

Yeah....see your point.

No wonder AC is always knocking you around the various forums. What exactly does your above point have to do with, well, anything I've said?

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Tell that to the families of the people Joker has killed over the years that him and Batman have been going at it. 🙂

No wonder AC is always knocking you around the various forums. What exactly does your above point have to do with, well, anything I've said?

That's what the Wayne Foundation is for! To help the victims of criminals in Gotham. So yes, Bruce Wayne a.k.a. Batman help the victims!

What? you didn't know that a lot of ideas from DC were taken by Marvel? Oh well, now you know.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
That's what the Wayne Foundation is for! To help the victims of criminals in Gotham. So yes, Bruce Wayne a.k.a. Batman help the victims!

What, some money and free therapeutic sessions? Don't make me laugh.

What? you didn't know that a lot of ideas from DC were taken by Marvel? Oh well, now you know.

I already knew. My point was that it doesn't have anything with what has been said over the past couple of pages.

What does character A being a knock-off of character B have to do with the differences between Punisher's method for dealing with crime and batmans?

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
What, some money and free therapeutic sessions? Don't make me laugh.

Are you really feeling that thick headed today?

What does the Punisher give the victims of his killings? More pain and suffering...yeah! there is your hero for ya.

The Punisher was NEVER a good character. Much less a good hero. He was nothing but antagonist for Spiderman. He is no better than Bushwacker the only differenc is that the Punisher build up a fanbase and that was it.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf

The Punisher was NEVER a good character.

DC Fanboy

*Random assertion*

In my opinion, Marvel > DC, in general. Except for Batman. He's the one truly outstanding character of DC.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
*Random assertion*

In my opinion, Marvel > DC, in general. Except for Batman. He's the one truly outstanding character of DC.

I would honestly agree with you on that.

But thats just me.

I disagree, DC is obviously better. If you count Vertigo, Marvel isn't even worthy of being in the same sentence as DC (irony).

It's still pretty good.

Er... What was the original question ?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Are you really feeling that thick headed today?

Are you speaking from personal experience like I am when I say that free money and therapeutic sessions don't do shit for most people?

What does the Punisher give the victims of his killings? More pain and suffering...yeah! there is your hero for ya.

Those victims being the mass murderers and such? At least Punisher makes sure that his "victims" never hurt an innocent person again. You can't say the same for Batman, who doesn't seem to give a rats ass for the future safety of Gotham's citizens.

The Punisher was NEVER a good character. Much less a good hero. He was nothing but antagonist for Spiderman. He is no better than Bushwacker the only differenc is that the Punisher build up a fanbase and that was it.

I'd take your opinion seriously if Batman wasn't plastered all over your signature and avatar.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk

Those victims being the mass murderers and such? At least Punisher makes sure that his "victims" never hurt an innocent person again. You can't say the same for Batman, who doesn't seem to give a rats ass for the future safety of Gotham's citizens.

I was being overly critical to match WD's ridiculousness.