Bardock, Marvel is more complex and deep than DC. Aside from bullshit characters, like Thor and the whole Greek God stuff, you have awesome characters like Wolverine, Spider-Man, the Hulk, Magneto (he's one of the most complex comic book villains of all time), and even the Punisher, who- while by no means as great as Batman (IMO)- is a great character.
Batman and his surrounding villains are the only things I really like about DC.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Yo, Blax. Spidey doesn't kill, either... so, why do you like him more than Batman?Just wonderin'.
That was my point. I frown on Peter's methods of not killing anyone as well. I find it irritating that he allows Norman to go to jail then break out a week later. I don't dislike batman, he's pretty cool in his own right. I like his movies, a well written Batman comic can be better then a lot of things, etc. But I simply find his methods aggravating, and so I prefer Punisher's character to his. I prefer Punisher''s methods to Peters but I also like Spiderman more in terms of being a fan of something. I grew up on Spiderman and I like his origins, his powers, and his intelligence.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Bardock, Marvel is more complex and deep than DC. Aside from bullshit characters, like Thor and the whole Greek God stuff, you have awesome characters like Wolverine, Spider-Man, the Hulk, Magneto (he's one of the most complex comic book villains of all time), and even the Punisher, who- while by no means as great as Batman (IMO)- is a great character.Batman and his surrounding villains are the only things I really like about DC.
Meh, I guess it's opinion anyways. But you know randomly naming characters doesn't really prove much. And DC has great characters and great storylines as well. Just don't enjoy Marvel as much.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Meh, I guess it's opinion anyways. But you know randomly naming characters doesn't really prove much. And DC has great characters and great storylines as well. Just don't enjoy Marvel as much.
I like Marvel's characters more, but i agree with DC storylines, the batman ones i have read are most of the time fantastic, but like you said each to his own.
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Are you speaking from personal experience like I am when I say that free money and therapeutic sessions don't do shit for most people?
Yes, from personal experience with dealing with fellas like you BH.
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Those victims being the mass murderers and such? At least Punisher makes sure that his "victims" never hurt an innocent person again. You can't say the same for Batman, who doesn't seem to give a rats ass for the future safety of Gotham's citizens.
Have you gone mad? is this a game?
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I'd take your opinion seriously if Batman wasn't plastered all over your signature and avatar.
I'd take your opinion seriously if you made an ounce of sense.
Marvel is more complex and deep than DC.
How long have you been reading comic books MC?
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
That was my point. I frown on Peter's methods of not killing anyone as well. I find it irritating that he allows Norman to go to jail then break out a week later. I don't dislike batman, he's pretty cool in his own right. I like his movies, a well written Batman comic can be better then a lot of things, etc. But I simply find his methods aggravating, and so I prefer Punisher's character to his. I prefer Punisher''s methods to Peters but I also like Spiderman more in terms of being a fan of something. I grew up on Spiderman and I like his origins, his powers, and his intelligence.
Ah, I see.
I gotta tell you, though. I was sort of skeptical about the whole Batman's moral code... until I saw TDK. That really answered some questions about it. So, although it sort've annoys me in cases, I can still accept his attitude towards not killing people.
But he is more brutal, dark, and overall questionable in comparison to most superheroes.
I'll add my two cents to this little discussion. I agree with the majority here in the fact that I much prefer Marvel to DC, and the only DC element I actually enjoy is Batman and his universe. I also feel that Frank Castle is a better vigilante than Bruce Wayne because of his permanent solutions, a Mafia Don with a bullet in his head can't order any more hits or continue to bring in drugs and foul up a city.
My major reason for posting here is to explain why I don't like DC, which is the silliness of their characters. Superman, totally invincible unless you happen to have a shiny green rock, said rock always seeming to fall into the laps of supes' enemies. Wonder Woman, nothing more than an advertisement for feminism, and she uses a lasso for heaven's sake. The Green Lantern, who can materialize his thoughts but rather than simply materializing an anvil above the heads of all criminals chooses to make himself useless. The Flash, terrible costume and can run really fast, yeah, that's useful. Aquaman, no explanation needed. Plastic Man, same as Aquaman. Robin, see previous.
Marvel, by contrast, has very interesting characters. People like the Xmen, Spider-Man, Punisher, etc don't have uber superpowers negated by an element all of their foes have, they aren't boring, and they show more character development than anything I've seen in DC.
Of course I could have just summed all of this up with:
Aquaman
Plastic Man
'Nuff Said
But I enjoy digressing.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
I'll add my two cents to this little discussion. I agree with the majority here in the fact that I much prefer Marvel to DC, and the only DC element I actually enjoy is Batman and his universe. I also feel that Frank Castle is a better vigilante than Bruce Wayne because of his permanent solutions, a Mafia Don with a bullet in his head can't order any more hits or continue to bring in drugs and foul up a city.
Doubt that that is majority opinion in the Batman forum.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
My major reason for posting here is to explain why I don't like DC, which is the silliness of their characters. Superman, totally invincible unless you happen to have a shiny green rock, said rock always seeming to fall into the laps of supes' enemies.
Meh, Thor, Silver Surfer, Sentry.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Wonder Woman, nothing more than an advertisement for feminism, and she uses a lasso for heaven's sake.
Good reasoning. We all know that Lassos and Feminism are the ultimate signs of bad writing.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
The Green Lantern, who can materialize his thoughts but rather than simply materializing an anvil above the heads of all criminals chooses to make himself useless.
a) He doesn't kill people, b) his foes are usually not just normal crooks, c) he is limited by his willpower, d) how the hell does he "make himself useless"
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
The Flash, terrible costume and can run really fast, yeah, that's useful.
Q-quicksilver
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Aquaman, no explanation needed.
Namor
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Plastic Man, same as Aquaman.
Actually, explanation would be good, what's wrong with Plastic Man?
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Robin, see previous.
Again, just randomly naming characters doesn't make DC worse, but if, in your mind, it actually does, here's a list (Cyclops, Hawkeye, Ant Man, Iron Man, Captain America, Jean Grey, Thor, Silver Surfer, Fantastic ****ing Four, Luke Cage, etc.)
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Marvel, by contrast, has very interesting characters. People like the Xmen, Spider-Man, Punisher, etc don't have uber superpowers negated by an element all of their foes have, they aren't boring, and they show more character development than anything I've seen in DC.
How?
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Of course I could have just summed all of this up with:Aquaman
Plastic Man
'Nuff SaidBut I enjoy digressing.
Nah.
And again, of course it is absolutely clear, that if you are going to include DC's Vertigo, Marvel might as well just lube up and bend over the next table...
Doubt that that is majority opinion in the Batman forum.
Its the majority in this thread. 🙂
Meh, Thor, Silver Surfer, Sentry.
None of whom have a super weakness all of their major enemies seem to keep stockpiles of.
Good reasoning. We all know that Lassos and Feminism are the ultimate signs of bad writing.
They sure are. Honestly, a shameless political plug and a stupid weapon make a bad character.
a) He doesn't kill people, b) his foes are usually not just normal crooks, c) he is limited by his willpower, d) how the hell does he "make himself useless"
He makes himself useless by not utilizing his power to its full potential, wasting it on one on one fights rather than doing some real good.
Namor
Not a major staple of Marvel.
Actually, explanation would be good, what's wrong with Plastic Man?
He's stretchy, and that's all he can do. Plastic Man is Mr. Fantastic without the genius level of thinking, Mr. Fantastic would be one of the worst characters in Marvel without his intelligence.
Again, just randomly naming characters doesn't make DC worse, but if, in your mind, it actually does, here's a list (Cyclops, Hawkeye, Ant Man, Iron Man, Captain America, Jean Grey, Thor, Silver Surfer, Fantastic ****ing Four, Luke Cage, etc.)
I'm not being random at all, the pattern here is that they're all terrible characters, whereas you're listing some of Marvel's, and all of comics', finest.
How?
Useful and/or unwasted powers, are more human than most at DC, show more character development, etc.
Nah.And again, of course it is absolutely clear, that if you are going to include DC's Vertigo, Marvel might as well just lube up and bend over the next table...
You could say "nah" to gravity but that wouldn't make you any less susceptible to falling.
Marvel might have a few minor blunders, but the majority of DC's main supporting characters are garbage.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Its the majority in this thread. 🙂
Meh, I see 4 on each side that stated their preference.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
None of whom have a super weakness all of their major enemies seem to keep stockpiles of.
So? They are ridiculously overpowered and boring. Was your point solely "Oh, Superman has a weakness, he sucks!". Would you prefer if he was invincible?
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
They sure are. Honestly, a shameless political plug and a stupid weapon make a bad character.
Yeah, really sucks that them women are portrayed in a good light. Bad DC...Bad! Besides a Lasso that actually has some use is not that bad of a weapon at all. Again, she doesn't want to kill, so a Golden Shotgun wouldn't really suit her.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
He makes himself useless by not utilizing his power to its full potential, wasting it on one on one fights rather than doing some real good.
What real good would that be?
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Not a major staple of Marvel.
Haha, but Aquaman, Plastic Man and Robin are.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
He's stretchy, and that's all he can do. Plastic Man is Mr. Fantastic without the genius level of thinking, Mr. Fantastic would be one of the worst characters in Marvel without his intelligence.
Actually, Plastic Man's powers surpass that of Mr. Fantastic and yeah, he is not the most genius of geniuses (horrible writing that, how dare they make a character not endlessly smart, bad DC!!). Funny thing though, how Plastic Man existed 30 years before Mr. Fantastic...yeah.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
I'm not being random at all, the pattern here is that they're all terrible characters, whereas you're listing some of Marvel's, and all of comics', finest.
They are terrible in your opinion. They aren't factually terrible. The characters I listed are, in my opinion, terrible characters. Which is the point, random, unsupported listing, doesn't prove a point.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Useful and/or unwasted powers, are more human than most at DC, show more character development, etc.
No, I mean how do they. That's just a statement, let me show you how this works.
I hereby state that: DC has heroes with useful and/or unwasted powers, are more human than most at Marvel and show more character development."
Did I cancel out your point now by stating the opposite?
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
You could say "nah" to gravity but that wouldn't make you any less susceptible to falling.
Oh, suddenly you need an elaborate explanation, double standard that. Besides, you just said names, I said that doesn't prove anything.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Marvel might have a few minor blunders, but the majority of DC's main supporting characters are garbage.
Haha, few minor, Marvel is just as much as shitfest as DC, maybe even more as Marvel's characters on the whole, seem more like something a whiny 16 year old would write (obviously there are exceptions).
Meh, I see 4 on each side that stated their preference.
I counted 3 on Marvel's side (Blax, Neo, Master), two on DC's (you and wrathful), including me that's 4 for Marvel and 2 for DC, who were the other DC supporters?
So? They are ridiculously overpowered and boring. Was your point solely "Oh, Superman has a weakness, he sucks!". Would you prefer if he was invincible?
No, the point is that Superman is useless. He's invincible, unless you have kryptonite, a substance that might as well be as common as asphalt for how often people fighting him have it. Don't make an overpowered character and then make him weak in his major battles, instead either make him dominate or give him nothing but overpowered villains.
Yeah, really sucks that them women are portrayed in a good light. Bad DC...Bad! Besides a Lasso that actually has some use is not that bad of a weapon at all. Again, she doesn't want to kill, so a Golden Shotgun wouldn't really suit her.
Wow, great job implying something entirely different from my obvious intentions. Wonder Woman is like having a super pro gay rights or super anti abortion hero, keep blatant politics out of my superhero comics, please.
And a lasso is a ridiculous weapon no matter how you look at it. It belongs in western themed kids shows of the 1950's, nowhere else.
Haha, but Aquaman, Plastic Man and Robin are.
A whole lot more than Namor. Aqua and Plastic Man are prominent in the JLA, and Robin is a major part of the Batman mythos.
Actually, Plastic Man's powers surpass that of Mr. Fantastic and yeah, he is not the most genius of geniuses (horrible writing that, how dare they make a character not endlessly smart, bad DC!!). Funny thing though, how Plastic Man existed 30 years before Mr. Fantastic...yeah.
No, plastic man and Reed Richards are both really stretchy, which is quite a useless power. Mr. F makes up for this by being one of Marvel's smartest, helping in more ways than being taffy-like. Plastic Man is just lame.
They are terrible in your opinion. They aren't factually terrible. The characters I listed are, in my opinion, terrible characters. Which is the point, random, unsupported listing, doesn't prove a point.
Aquaman and Plastic Man are factually lame. Robin and the other's might be debatable, but stretchy and talkstofish are entirely useless. ANy of the characters you listed would waste them in combat, and if we go by rule of the majority as democracies do, they are far better characters given their popularity levels.
No, I mean how do they. That's just a statement, let me show you how this works.I hereby state that: DC has heroes with useful and/or unwasted powers, are more human than most at Marvel and show more character development."
Did I cancel out your point now by stating the opposite?
No, you simply made an incorrect statement. : )
Oh, suddenly you need an elaborate explanation, double standard that. Besides, you just said names, I said that doesn't prove anything.
Don't be silly, I gave explanations for characters that aren't self explanatory.
Haha, few minor, Marvel is just as much as shitfest as DC, maybe even more as Marvel's characters on the whole, seem more like something a whiny 16 year old would write (obviously there are exceptions).
Marvel's characters are more popular than DCs, that definitely speaks to their enjoyability. Other than Batman and Superman and their respectiv e franchises, I don't know of many DC characters that enjoy a fan base outside people who are very much into comics. By contrast, Spider-Man, the X-men, the Hulk, Iron Man, etc, enjoy fairly large amounts of mainstream fans.
Not proof, exactly, but it definitely makes a loud point.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
I counted 3 on Marvel's side (Blax, Neo, Master), two on DC's (you and wrathful), including me that's 4 for Marvel and 2 for DC, who were the other DC supporters?
Neo said he preferred DC's storylines though he likes Marvel's characters more. And SelinaAndBruce said she prefers DC. So it's 3 to 3, innit?
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
No, the point is that Superman is useless. He's invincible, unless you have kryptonite, a substance that might as well be as common as asphalt for how often people fighting him have it. Don't make an overpowered character and then make him weak in his major battles, instead either make him dominate or give him nothing but overpowered villains.
Nah, he's as invincible as Thor, Silver Surfer and Sentry. Just with the addition of a weakness. And that you, personally, want a character to be either dominant or have overpowered villains, doesn't make the idea of Kryptonite bad. It's not your cup of tea, but so what?
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Wow, great job implying something entirely different from my obvious intentions. Wonder Woman is like having a super pro gay rights or super anti abortion hero, keep blatant politics out of my superhero comics, please.
Again, YOU don't want your superheroes to blatantly stay for something. Doesn't make the character bad.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
And a lasso is a ridiculous weapon no matter how you look at it. It belongs in western themed kids shows of the 1950's, nowhere else.
Yeah, a Lasso that is unbreakable, listens to your very thoughts and makes people tell the truth, is just pointless. No use can be made of that AT ALL.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
A whole lot more than Namor. Aqua and Plastic Man are prominent in the JLA, and Robin is a major part of the Batman mythos.
Are you going to pretend that Namor is just a footnote of Marvel to make your point? You know, lying about something doesn't make you right.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
No, plastic man and Reed Richards are both really stretchy, which is quite a useless power. Mr. F makes up for this by being one of Marvel's smartest, helping in more ways than being taffy-like. Plastic Man is just lame.
No, Plastic Man is quite more versatile, he can take all sorts of shapes and he's almost invincible for one. Their powers aren't comparable, Plastic Man is totally out of his league. Oh and on top of it Plastic Man has an interesting character which would really improve Richards...who just has "Oh, he's smart, yay". And again, Richards is a rip off, so....yeah.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Aquaman and Plastic Man are factually lame. Robin and the other's might be debatable, but stretchy and talkstofish are entirely useless. ANy of the characters you listed would waste them in combat, and if we go by rule of the majority as democracies do, they are far better characters given their popularity levels.
Jesus, you constantly saying that they are "lame" doesn't make them lame. You don't like Plastic Man...that's all you are saying. You give no good reasons as to why he is lame (while Richards isn't) and just repeat your own opinion as fact like a broken record. And you got any stats on them being more popular? Luke Cage and Hawkeye in particular...I'd like to see those, but clean them before you give them to me, seeing as they come STRAIGHT OUT OF YOUR ASS!
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
No, you simply made an incorrect statement. : )
Debatable. Though not with you, as you don't understand the most basic rules of argumentation.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Don't be silly, I gave explanations for characters that aren't self explanatory.
You stated some as self explanatory, and then gave some personal preferences as "explanations" of why characters are bad (all of which I countered). You don't like DC as much, fair enough, but don't pretend it is fact that Marvel has the better characters and storylines.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Marvel's characters are more popular than DCs, that definitely speaks to their enjoyability. Other than Batman and Superman and their respectiv e franchises, I don't know of many DC characters that enjoy a fan base outside people who are very much into comics. By contrast, Spider-Man, the X-men, the Hulk, Iron Man, etc, enjoy fairly large amounts of mainstream fans.
Statistics.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Not proof, exactly, but it definitely makes a loud point.
Yeah, you make a loud point. Unlucky for you, screaming a lot doesn't make a point right.
Neo said he preferred DC's storylines though he likes Marvel's characters more. And SelinaAndBruce said she prefers DC. So it's 3 to 3, innit?
We're discussing characters, its 4 to 3. Neo prefers Marvel characters so he should be included on the Marvel side of the vote.
Nah, he's as invincible as Thor, Silver Surfer and Sentry. Just with the addition of a weakness. And that you, personally, want a character to be either dominant or have overpowered villains, doesn't make the idea of Kryptonite bad. It's not your cup of tea, but so what?
He3's not exactly invicncible if that power can be taken away by a norma human like Bruce Wayne if he has a piece of kryptonite. That makes him a bit useless, now doesn't it, kind of like having poison darts that all you enemies are immune to.
Again, YOU don't want your superheroes to blatantly stay for something. Doesn't make the character bad.
Characters like Potlegalization Man, KeepourboysinIraq Man and Wonder Woman are pretty shallow. In my opinion shallowness and political pandering make for a bad character.
No, Plastic Man is quite more versatile, he can take all sorts of shapes and he's almost invincible for one. Their powers aren't comparable, Plastic Man is totally out of his league. Oh and on top of it Plastic Man has an interesting character which would really improve Richards...who just has "Oh, he's smart, yay". And again, Richards is a rip off, so....yeah.
Plastic Man, interesting? Bwahahahaha! Reed is an extremely interesting character, having super intellect, an interesting personality, and the stretchy thing. Plastic only has 1 out of 3 of those.
Jesus, you constantly saying that they are "lame" doesn't make them lame. You don't like Plastic Man...that's all you are saying. You give no good reasons as to why he is lame (while Richards isn't) and just repeat your own opinion as fact like a broken record. And you got any stats on them being more popular? Luke Cage and Hawkeye in particular...I'd like to see those, but clean them before you give them to me, seeing as they come STRAIGHT OUT OF YOUR ASS!
Oh no, not the dreaded ALL CAPS! Once again, plastic man is Richards sans the intellect and interesting persona, that is lame. And I never said Marvel didn 't have crappy characters, only that their crappy characters aren't big name players, while DC has one great franchise with the rest of it being quite boring.
Why don't you go to a local shopping center and ask people who their favorite superhero is. I can almost guarantee you the only DC characters you'll here are Supes and Bats.
Debatable. Though not with you, as you don't understand the most basic rules of argumentation.
Its not really debatable. We can compare these things via factors like popularity, and using that we can see that Marvel is more well liked among the general populace and the vast majority of comic book fans I know.
You stated some as self explanatory, and then gave some personal preferences as "explanations" of why characters are bad (all of which I countered). You don't like DC as much, fair enough, but don't pretend it is fact that Marvel has the better characters and storylines.
My personal preference is based on universal factors such as character depth and likability. While you can hold any opinion you like, there are objective factors to consider. Aquaman is almost universally mocked for a reason.
Statistics.
Go forth and ask everyone, they'll tell you. Also, consider that Marvel has a whole lot more heroes that are widely recognized. Most people have never heard of major DC characters like the Green Lantern, Plastic Man, etc, while A large number of Marvel characters are household names.
Yeah, you make a loud point. Unlucky for you, screaming a lot doesn't make a point right.
And unluckily for you, people tend to prefer the better product.