Originally posted by BradBalboa...And you wonder why no one takes your seriously!? haermm
Of course i know who Pyron is !!
Personally i think Buu is stronger
Pyron has the power of countless galaxies, as he has devoured them.
His max size is AT LEAST as large as a sun.
Even while in his self contained, mortal form which he transformed into in order to fight the Darkstalkers on their level(there would be no challenge at all if he was at full power), he had MUCH greater physical strength than Donavan, who held up a falling cliff with one arm while being stabbed by a demon sword which can drain blood and souls.
Pyron is at least billions of times faster than light, able to traverse from one end of the universe to the next in 3 years.
Pyron has Cosmic Awareness on a level that allows him to instantly scan planets(and it is subtly implied galaxies as well) and could see Earth while being on the other side of the universe.
Pyron heated up Earth without even being near it.
Pyron after turning to mortal form completely eradicated Rikuo's entire species with his presence when landing in the Atlantic Ocean.
It is implied Pyron even while mortal could easily destroy a planet, he boasts he could do it with a thought.
Pyron has an impenetrable shield and can spam teleport.
And that's just shit off the top of my head.
DBZ isn't equal to Pyron's pinky knuckle.
Oh and Carver, in all honesty you probably don't want to enter a DBZ/Superman debate with Endless Mike. Think what you want of him, but he is actually a wellspring of knowledge on both characters, and when it comes to Superman, there are few other posters whose words I would take above his.
Originally posted by BradBalboaFunny. Even with proof, because you like Buu so much, Kid Buu is still stronger.
Iv seen it
Kid Buu's most powerful attack can destroy Earth ten times over.
Pyron's finger is bigger than that.
Oh and as for no one taking me seriously, lol, that means alot coming from someone who didn't even make an effort to disprove a thing I said.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
...And you wonder why no one takes your seriously!? haermmPyron has the power of countless galaxies, as he has devoured them.
His max size is AT LEAST as large as a sun.
Even while in his self contained, mortal form which he transformed into in order to fight the Darkstalkers on their level(there would be no challenge at all if he was at full power), he had MUCH greater physical strength than Donavan, who held up a falling cliff with one arm while being stabbed by a demon sword which can drain blood and souls.
Pyron is at least billions of times faster than light, able to traverse from one end of the universe to the next in 3 years.
Pyron has Cosmic Awareness on a level that allows him to instantly scan planets(and it is subtly implied galaxies as well) and could see Earth while being on the other side of the universe.
Pyron heated up Earth without even being near it.
Pyron after turning to mortal form completely eradicated Rikuo's entire species with his presence when landing in the Atlantic Ocean.
It is implied Pyron even while mortal could easily destroy a planet, he boasts he could do it with a thought.
Pyron has an impenetrable shield and can spam teleport.
And that's just shit off the top of my head.
DBZ isn't equal to Pyron's pinky knuckle.
Oh and Carver, in all honesty you probably don't want to enter a DBZ/Superman debate with Endless Mike. Think what you want of him, but he is actually a wellspring of knowledge on both characters, and when it comes to Superman, there are few other posters whose words I would take above his.
I do want to get in a debate with him because he dont know what he is talking about.
The same WW whose forcefield can deflect the combined power of the Greek Pantheon?
Do you know the difference between a forcefield and true durability. Wonder woman body (without a da** forcefield) dont handle bullets very well but again her skin took a heat vision blast from a non holding back superman.
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He was sundipped. Stop adding things to a feat.
It only mentions "using his strength" - obviously anyone else contributing had only negligible effect.
I never said that he didnt use strength (even though flight was involved), I said that the feat isnt as great as you make it since human was also lifting/tugging the chain along with superman. Not a great feat.
They don't fight in cities because of the damage caused by ki blasts. Superman can hold back his powers better and has more control - his physical feats are so beyond anything ever shown in DBZ it's borderline retarded to argue otherwise.
Superman physical feat is greater then despero but superman got one shotted. Superman physical feats are greater then titus but he still got one shotted. Hell titus couldnt even break out of a box that gl created that had the weight of 100 tons but he still one shotted superman. A much weaker titus also one shotted superman. So basically a character with no physical feat matching superman knocked his ass out twice.
Superman physical feats outweighs konvikt also but guess what, he got knocked the hell out. Black rock batman has no physical feats, hell we dont even know how far the black rock increase a humans strength but batman almost took superman head off.
Keep dreaming, fanboy.
Not a dream but actually true facts and stop calling me a fanboy because I dont agree with your statements. We are just debating.
When has Superman ever needed to destroy the universe? I guess that proves he can!
When has goku ever needed to lift anything heavy in a fight or pull chains.
First of all, that'd due to ki, not physical strength. Second of all, Superman vs. Zod under the red sun. They weren't just shaking it, but tearing it apart.
Thats your opinion. Goku and captain ginyu fight was shaking the entire area that they were in. Hell tien and nappa fight was creating miniature tornadoes and cracking the ground while destroying miniature mountains and they werent even close to the area.
By the way, LOL at your comment about superman and zod fight destroying the area. Maybe you need to reread the comic and find out the real reason on why the area was being destroyed. 😆
Again stop adding things to comics that dont belong. Im a superman fan and own every comic that your mentioning and its ridiculous how you're taking it out of context.
He once punched Bizarro all the way through the earth.
That wasnt a serious comic it was basically a true comic, something to laugh at. Any time bizarro is in a comic stupid things like that happens.
Punched Wonder Woman halfway across the solar system.
Yeah, he did do that but guess what, space dont have any kind of gravity to hold you back.
Vs. Arion.
Arion dont have any kind of speed and post the scans please.
Why would he do that when the impact from hitting the ground would do more damage?
Why wont you admit that he cant do it and goku combat speed feats during regular dragonball>>supermans. I dont even have to use dbz.
I suggest you look at the respect thread, you can find all of that stuff there.
Why do I need to look at a respect thread when Im a manager at a comic book store. I read and own superman comics and there isnt anything in any appearance of him that make me even think that he would last a minute against goku. Hell if you think Im saying that because Im a goku fan let me use someone different. YuYu by the end of his show would destroy superman as well. There are some bleach characters that would also whip that a**. So I guess Im fans of them also.
DBZ characters aren't even 1% of lightspeed (excluding teleportation techniques).
I think that they are>>light speed but to make things simpler and a good way for you to convince me show me superman fighting someone at light speed. Again, I'll be waiting.
You didn't even address my concern. Tons is a measure of force, not mass, therefore it is independent of the local gravity field.
Im not responding to this because its stupid. I already said this so what're you talking about.
Prove it then.
If you know so much about dbz you should know this.
So we can freely ignore simple logic?
I'm not ignoring anything. If we use science then noone in comics should ever go above light speed since that would require you to time travel. 😕
Retarded, since his much greater feats under yellow sunlight prove he is exponentially more powerful.
You didnt get my question so Im not responding to this.
Gee, that couldn't have anything to do with the fact that he was posessed by Blackrock, could it? 🙄
So what strength does a human with black rock possess.
Um, did you read the same comic that I did? She got punched halfway across the solar system and was just running at the end, and would have died had she not killed Max Lord.
She was holding back and was trying to help him. Unless you forgot when she cut his throat and had the opportunity of killing him right then.
Diana would also kill any DBZ character easily, so I don't see your point.
Well I guess it goes like this then: diana>goku>>>>>superman.
You mean like when he defeated a gang of armed thugs without his powers by using speed and skill? Stop being an idiot.
What does that have to do with him not being nothing but a brute. Hulk is a brute and thugs wouldnt last a second against him but that still dont change the fact that he is a brute. Superman is a brute and goes h2h with them throughout his entire career.
You're just making me laugh now. Doctor Polaris was shifting the orbit of the entire planet (which requires more energy than destroying it).
What does that have to do with goku speed blitzing him punching his head off before he had the chance to react. Again goku isnt superman; poloris wouldnt have had a chance in hell repeating what he did to superman. Goku from regular dragonball during the junior saga would destroy doctor poloris and easily.
It was only from powering up. Ki effect.
Thats your opinion.
Obviously he's stronger than 40 tons in his transformed states.
He wasnt transformed when he kicked vegeta through two moutains which again isnt a feat that a 40 tonner could accomplish. He wasnt transformed when he kicked frieza through two mountains and nameks crust having the entire area shaking. Thats not a feat that a 40 tonner could even dream of. Hell I have yet to see a hundred tonner pull that off.
Post a scan of a strength feat that matches that.
I dont know what you're asking for. So im leaving this alone.
Because Doomsday can negate his bioelectric field (canon, stated in the most recent Doomsday bio).
Post a scan proving this.
Superman has been inside of exploding planets and not been KO'd.
You mean a colliding planet. Two different things. Superman has also been koed by doctor light. Almost killed by blast from a space ship, felt black canaries scream. Hurt by a some blast from villians on war world that was made out of light constructs. Gog blast almost koed him.
Fanboy fanfics don't count. I could write a story where Superman's left nut solos ten billion Gokus. Would you accept that?
That sad that on paper for the world to see superman have as of yet to even pose a threat to goku. Lets both admit that superman got embarrassed. Answer this, if superman won would it been fan based or are you saying it was written by fans because goku stomped superman.
Superman's HV has powered Jor-El's planet moving engines that moved a planet 16 times the size of earth across an entire star system. He's drilled through a neutron star with it. It's hotter than scientists in DC can measure, and they can easily measure the core of the sun. No DBZ character can generate that much power.
Hulk strength is known as being infinite but he got koed and out muscled by both champion and juggernaut. Wolverine is claimed as being the best there is but got owned by sabertooth. Ironman is know n as the invincible iron man but has been injured. Superman heat vision has some good showings but almost every character in dc has withstood it.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Funny. Even with proof, because you like Buu so much, Kid Buu is still stronger.Kid Buu's most powerful attack can destroy Earth ten times over.
Pyron's finger is bigger than that.
Oh and as for no one taking me seriously, lol, that means alot coming from someone who didn't even make an effort to disprove a thing I said.
I never said no one takes you seriously, i was afende that you said it to me !!
To em Buu is galaxy destroyer for the simpel fact -Suprem kai " Hundreds of planets where redust to dust, entire galaxies where erased from tiem, no force could withstand his evil power" !!
Originally posted by BradBalboaThe truth hurts.
I never said no one takes you seriously, i was afende that you said it to me !!To em Buu is galaxy destroyer for the simpel fact -Suprem kai " Hundreds of planets where redust to dust, entire galaxies where erased from tiem, no force could withstand his evil power" !!
Buu has never in canon destroyed a galaxy, or even in the anime for that matter.
And Pyron has the power of "countless galaxies", straight from UDON, who along with Capcom themselves know exactly what Pyron and the other DSers and the SFers are capable of.
Kid Buu would be like an M&M to Pyron, he would just devour him.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
The truth hurts.Buu has never in canon destroyed a galaxy, or even in the anime for that matter.
And Pyron has the power of "countless galaxies", straight from UDON, who along with Capcom themselves know exactly what Pyron and the other DSers and the SFers are capable of.
Kid Buu would be like an M&M to Pyron, he would just devour him.
In the anime he did destroy galaxies !! u see the flash back, a few planets go byebye in the space of a few seconds then the galaxy in the background is shattered with red lighting flowing threw it! !
Originally posted by BradBalboaIt showed planets being destroyed one by one.
In the anime he did destroy galaxies !! u see the flash back, a few planets go byebye in the space of a few seconds then the galaxy in the background is shattered with red lighting flowing threw it! !
And that still does not explain how he will survive a single punch from the much stronger and faster Pyron.
Originally posted by carver9
I do want to get in a debate with him because he dont know what he is talking about.
Which is why so many people consider me an authority, and they consider you a pathetically hilarious fanboy?
Do you know the difference between a forcefield and true durability. Wonder woman body (without a da** forcefield) dont handle bullets very well but again her skin took a heat vision blast from a non holding back superman.
Because she is specifically weak to piercing attacks. Yes, I know it's stupid, but it's canon.
Last time I checked, HV was not a physical piercing attack.
He was sundipped. Stop adding things to a feat.
Who says he's not allowed to sundip in a fight? Besides, you're ignoring the fact that WarWorld was engaging its full throttle countermeasure against his force, and its engines were powered by the leftover power of Imperiex (who had the power of the Big Bang plus all of the galaxies he had devoured).
I never said that he didnt use strength (even though flight was involved)
Flight? He was chained up inside of Mageddon, he wasn't flying.
I said that the feat isnt as great as you make it since human was also lifting/tugging the chain along with superman. Not a great feat/
And yet J'onn only mentioned his strength being used to power it....
If I'm lifting a 100 - kilogram weight and a newborn baby is helping me lift it, does that suddenly mean it's not anywhere near as impressive?
Superman physical feat is greater then despero but superman got one shotted.
Which is a feat for Despero.
Let's apply this logic to DBZ:
The androids never destroyed anything more than a city, yet they easily defeated the Z-senshi. Therefore, SSJ Trunks, SSJ Vegeta, Picollo, etc. can't even destroy a city, despite all of the feats that say they can.
Hell titus couldnt even break out of a box that gl created that had the weight of 100 tons but he still one shotted superman.
Scans and context, please.
Besides, GL constructs aren't powered by weight - they are powered by willpower. A GL construct that weight less than an ounce could still be nearly unbreakable.
So basically a character with no physical feat matching superman knocked his ass out twice.
See above
Superman physical feats outweighs konvikt also but guess what, he got knocked the hell out.
Which means Konvikt is stronger, and, if given the opportunity, could perform the same feats.
Black rock batman has no physical feats, hell we dont even know how far the black rock increase a humans strength but batman almost took superman head off.
Then it increases his strength to be on a level to do that.
If people without those feats challenge him, then it is assumed they are simply that strong. It doesn't mean all of his feats never happened.
Not a dream but actually true facts and stop calling me a fanboy because I dont agree with your statements. We are just debating.
And you are doing it quite poorly.
When has goku ever needed to lift anything heavy in a fight or pull chains.
Way to miss the point.
I guess you agree Superman can destroy the universe now, since he never had to so there's no proof he can't.
Thats your opinion. Goku and captain ginyu fight was shaking the entire area that they were in.
As I don't currently have access to my scans, I cannot verify this. However, "the entire area they were in" is a far cry from the entire planet.
Hell tien and nappa fight was creating miniature tornadoes and cracking the ground while destroying miniature mountains and they werent even close to the area.
I don't remember this. Post a manga scan.
By the way, LOL at your comment about superman and zod fight destroying the area. Maybe you need to reread the comic and find out the real reason on why the area was being destroyed.
Why don't you then, if you are so certain?
Again stop adding things to comics that dont belong. Im a superman fan and own every comic that your mentioning and its ridiculous how you're taking it out of context.
Then post the relevant scans showing context, instead of just making baseless accusations.
That wasnt a serious comic it was basically a true comic, something to laugh at. Any time bizarro is in a comic stupid things like that happens.
Sorry, this cop - out is not going to fly. It's canon. Deal with it.
Yeah, he did do that but guess what, space dont have any kind of gravity to hold you back.
Way to ignore the fact that he actually punched her faster than light.
Arion dont have any kind of speed and post the scans please.
Arion stated that he had used his magic to increase his speed to Superman's level (or at least what he thought his level was).
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanvsarion4.jpg
Arion had boosted his strength and speed to insane levels and Superman still beat him and stole all of his artifacts so fast he didn't even realize it
By the way, this whole challenge you gave me is pointless. I can show you scans of Captain America avoiding all of someone's attacks and beating him. Does that make him stronger than Superman?
Why wont you admit that he cant do it and goku combat speed feats during regular dragonball>>supermans. I dont even have to use dbz.
Prove it then. Calculate their speeds with actual math, and make sure to show your work.
Since "LOLZ ITZ DRAWN ALL BLURRY SO IT MUZT BE TEH FAST" isn't going to fly.
Why do I need to look at a respect thread when Im a manager at a comic book store. I read and own superman comics and there isnt anything in any appearance of him that make me even think that he would last a minute against goku. Hell if you think Im saying that because Im a goku fan let me use someone different. YuYu by the end of his show would destroy superman as well. There are some bleach characters that would also whip that a**. So I guess Im fans of them also.
No, you're just an idiot, it seems.
I think that they are>>light speed
Prove it then.
but to make things simpler and a good way for you to convince me show me superman fighting someone at light speed. Again, I'll be waiting.
I already did. Wonder Woman Sacrifice arc, he fought her around the world and to the sun and back in 1 minute and 54 seconds. Light takes 8 minutes to reach the earth from the sun.
Also, your double standard is hilarious - DBZ characters are faster than light because you think so, and that proves it, while I have to show it to you.
Im not responding to this because its stupid. I already said this so what're you talking about.
Concession accepted.
If you know so much about dbz you should know this.
In other words, you can't prove it. Concession accepted.
I'm not ignoring anything. If we use science then noone in comics should ever go above light speed since that would require you to time travel.
Except we have observed them actually doing that, so we have to make allowances.
If there was evidence that the word "ton" had a completely different meaning in the DBU, you would have a point, but there isn't, so we use the real definition.
You didnt get my question so Im not responding to this.
Concession accepted.
So what strength does a human with black rock possess.
Enough to hurt Superman physically, which is way above the physical strength of any DBZ character.
She was holding back and was trying to help him. Unless you forgot when she cut his throat and had the opportunity of killing him right then.
Not when he was bloodlusted.
Well I guess it goes like this then: diana>goku>>>>>superman.
More like Superman > Diana >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*insert a few thousand more ">"s here* >>>>>>>> Goku
What does that have to do with him not being nothing but a brute. Hulk is a brute and thugs wouldnt last a second against him but that still dont change the fact that he is a brute. Superman is a brute and goes h2h with them throughout his entire career.
Irrelevant analogy. If Hulk was in Bruce Banner's body, no super powers, he wouldn't defeat those thugs.
Superman defeated them with no powers. Just "being a brute" would have gotten him killed.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanspeedblitz2.jpg
Speedblitz.
What does that have to do with goku speed blitzing him punching his head off before he had the chance to react.
Because Goku doesn't usually do that in - character. Neither does Superman. However, fights here are assumed to be PIS-free. If every fight in comics and manga was decided by "LOL SPEEDBLITZ" like it usually is in vs. threads, it would be boring.
