Kid buu gets hit by the following attacks

Originally posted by Kento
Trunks doesn't have anywhere close to the strength Despro has..Trunks isn't even close to Gokou in strength. And it still doesn't change the fact that Freeza is only shown to have energy damage soak while Gokou has always been bullet proof since DB and unable to be pierced by anything. Just because one character has something doesn't mean another character does. Ki level doesn't have any effect except when it comes to ki itself.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
I actually have to disagree with you on this one Kento. In DBZ, as one gains a high degree of power, they get stronger, faster, and more durable(at least in fighters like Goku or Freeza's case who are more balanced, unlike guys like Recoome who's Ki seems to mainly be used for brute strength), which is why when Gohan became a SSJ2, he was able to dominate Cell physically. The entire way DBZ works is that if one character can do sumthin, a stronger character can to. There are rare exceptions, but in Frieza or Goku's case, who are both balanced in their powerset, it is not.

Originally posted by Kento
They get stronger, and faster yes but they get more durable to ki attacks. Besides Gokou nobody has ever shown resiliance to bullets or sharp objects. Tien at the end of DB who was a lot stronger than Gokou at the start of the series was cut and had that scar left on him. He's human and Freeza's not and sure Freeza is a lot more powerful but there really is nothing to say Freeza has high enough durability to sharp weapons. And then he gets cut up while Gokou is able to block the sword. Ki doesn't effect natural durability.

android 20 caught a bullet with his hand and pan was hit by bullets also and unharmed

20 is a robot..and Pan is part saiyan..and GT is non-canon anyway and contradicts plenty of things. Gohan's caught bullets also. But again he's saiyan though I'm not sure if that was fuller. Gokou as a child proved saiyans have the durability.

Originally posted by Kento
They get stronger, and faster yes but they get more durable to ki attacks. Besides Gokou nobody has ever shown resiliance to bullets or sharp objects. Tien at the end of DB who was a lot stronger than Gokou at the start of the series was cut and had that scar left on him. He's human and Freeza's not and sure Freeza is a lot more powerful but there really is nothing to say Freeza has high enough durability to sharp weapons. And then he gets cut up while Gokou is able to block the sword. Ki doesn't effect natural durability.

Goku can be cut to. Remeber when Trunks was testing how good Goku is when he first came? Goku put an aura of ki around his finger before deflecting Trunks sword attacks. I also remeber Gohan dodging Dabura's sword attacks aswell. I'll post the fights from YT.

Trunks vs. Goku

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya980HZhiHQ

Gohan vs. Dabura

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJpzB7RILQI&feature=related

Gohan training with Goten

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERIOalwtW2Q&feature=related

I don't think a bullet coming out of a gun has enough force to cut them.

deffinately not !!
Gokus didnt damge Gokus skin when he was a kid before any training, just from natural toughness !!

Originally posted by Kento
They get stronger, and faster yes but they get more durable to ki attacks. Besides Gokou nobody has ever shown resiliance to bullets or sharp objects. Tien at the end of DB who was a lot stronger than Gokou at the start of the series was cut and had that scar left on him. He's human and Freeza's not and sure Freeza is a lot more powerful but there really is nothing to say Freeza has high enough durability to sharp weapons. And then he gets cut up while Gokou is able to block the sword. Ki doesn't effect natural durability.

Sorry for the late response, I was travelling.

Anyway:

I dont know why they consider you a authority when half of the time youre taking things out of context and basically posting scans that dont mean jack. I think that you're average. Some of the best debaters is in the comic book vs forum.

At least I post scans at all, unlike you.

and has also been injured by blast and koed by blast also.

Yeah, very strong blasts.

Superman heat vision has good showings and sometimes it has bad showing. Average showing, superman heat vision aint shit.

Because he usually holds back in order to avoid killing everyone in the area.

It dont have to be a physical attack since wonder woman has fallen to blast on so many of occasions.

You mean blasts from people like Gog, the Void Hound, Greek Gods, etc. all of whom would slaughter DBZ characters?

who's to say that if he was in a fight his opponent would ALLOW him to sundip.

What's he going to do about it? Goku can't survive in space, remember.

Not that Superman would need a sundip anyway.

Which mean what. You do know that a imperex probe is powered by the same energy but had to build a weapon to destroy the planet earth. You do know that a imperex probe is powered by the same energy but they tried to use a space ship to destroy part of the earth because they didnt have the power to do so (until wonder woman mother prevented it from happening).

Because it only had a fraction of Imperiex's full power.

The probes was powered by the same energy of the big bang but has yet to display any kind of high energy feat. war world planet was smaller then pluto and we dont know how much force the engines was using against superman so the feat isnt as impressive as you make it out to be. Again he had to sundip.

"Full throttle countermeasure".

Look at that first word again: Full. As in all of it. This was the full power of Imperiex Prime, not one of his billions/trillions of probes.

A small sample of Imperiex's power:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/1-27.jpg

He was flying. Post the scan and you're going to see the human carrying the chains (which you think is so great) and you're also going to see him in mid flight. He sure as hell was standing.

So standing = flying now?

Here is the scan:

I see no human, and I see no indication at all that he was flying. But I see plenty of indications that you're lying.

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7862/supermanmageddonwheels1fy6.jpg

I dont care what jonn mentioned. The point that you're not getting is that mere humans was carrying the chains that superman was pulling so again the feat isnt great he just had to put in some work. you do know that superman strained pretty bad when lifting a pyramid.

Because he was trying carefully not to break it?

You know I took your word for the humans things before but now as I reread the story I see no such thing so I'm going to demand a scan.

Or you can think about it like this. Even though goku has punching feats that puts him above class 100 strength you need to stop using what superman picked up against a character that dont fly around picking up objects.

Lifting something means you can apply that much force with your arms. That's all that matters. Imagine being punched by someone who can move a planet.

Frieza with his tail threw goku from the ground to cloud height.

And? That's hardly impressive

Vegeta almost through nappa out of orbit and he wasnt even powered up.

No he didn't.

How about you actually reading the comic instead of adding shit.

Sorry, that's not how it works. You make a claim, you back it up, skipper.

Stop making excuses. There are plenty of beings that broke through that construct. Gl can make bubble gum to almost anything with his gl ring. He made a construct that had the weight of 100 tons and titus struggled to break free from it but again he one shotted superman TWICE.

So weight = durability now? I guess Wolverine must weigh more than a planet since his adamantium is so unbreakable.

Oh wait, he doesn't!

I'm also waiting on these scans.

Prove it.

He physically matched Superman, who has done those feats. Simple logic.

So I guess despero claws is on that level to since he slice some skin off of superman face.

Considering Despero is one of the most powerful alien conquerors in the DCU, and has fought and beaten the entire JLA at once, then yes.

Vegeta got his leg broken by a kick from android 18. Android 18 has no significant strength feats. So I guess using your logic, that means Vegeta's bones can be broken by practically anyone.

Again, prove that these people are as strong as him due to them affecting his durability.

That is the proof. You just anwered your own question.

I say the same about you since you throw things out of context

Then post the scans showing the correct context. Or else you're just wagging your tongue.

and add things to comics that dont belong. Like superman pushing planets and superman fighting at light speed or even past the speed of sound. If he has done this, prove it. Remember, I said pass the speed of sound, not the speed of sound.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanspeedfight.jpg

But this is out of context, right? 🙄

I guessed you missed the point. Superman cant perform none of the feats that I brought up.

You're the one missing the point. I asked if Goku can match Superman's strength feats, you said he doesn't have to since he didn't need to, and I showed you that that same logic can be used to prove Superman can destroy the universe. Either you're being willfully ignorant or you're just stupid if you don't get that.

It did more damage then anything that superman has done in a comic. Superman most damaging feat is from a cartoon, jlu when he fought captain marvel. Hell, him and darkseid fight didnt even do any damage to a barn.

This is absolutely hilarious.

So I guess breaking the planet apart when he fought Zod never happened? Or wiping out all life on earth when he fought Khyber? Or one - punching an asteroid large enough to destroy the earth? Or splitting a moon in half with a punch? Or freezing the entire Cannibal Planet effortlessly? Or smashing a planetoid apart as a side - effect of his fight with Darkseid? Or destroying an entire star system inside of the Galactic Golem?

BTW the fight with Darkseid happened mainly in space - in fact one comic says that it rocked the entire solar system.

Look at the fight and you'll realize this.

Post the scan or concede, skipper.

I know the real reason on why the area was being destroyed. Reread the comic and stop throwing things out of context. You did get one part right, superman and zod had a lot to do with it but I'll let you read the comic again to find out the real reason. Dont want to spoil the fun.

So you're claiming I'm wrong without any evidence. It was their power that was affecting the planet. If you disagree, prove it with scans.

Why dont you just read the comic, authority. LOL

I have. The burden of proof is on you to provide evidence if you disagree with me.

If they were fighting so fast how did someone with human reaction, etc... max lord, see the entire fight

I don't know, it just might have something to do with the superhuman artificial intelligence that was observing it for him. 🙄

Again, show me some scan of light speed fighting again.

Reaction speed: Searching everywhere in a 200 - mile radius so fast that Steel barely misses him:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanspeed5.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanspeed6.jpg

Grabs Redemption, flies him into space, and slams him down to earth on the other side of the planet before he can even react:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanspeedblitz1.jpg

Searches the entire planet along with Walter West Flash and WW:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanwwflashspeed.jpg

White Martians:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanwwflashspeed1.jpg

The WW Fight:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1197/supermanspeed1am9.jpg (shows how close to the sun they were)
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Superman/supermanvsww12.jpg "1 minute and 54 seconds, start to finish"

Arion never said that he increased his speed up to superman level (whatever that is), he just brought up that he got a speed boost. Dont let me name everyone in comics that has speed. Arion didnt do anything impressive in that entire fight to make me think that he was even close to the speed of sound unless you have a scan proving otherwise.

He said he was faster than he thought Superman was.

Stop making up shit, prove to me that arion speed made him faster then spiderman. Before he had human reflexes during his transformation I want you to prove that he was faster then spiderman and dont say because he fought superman because solomon grundy also fought superman and spiderman>>>grundy when it comes to speed.

That's called PIS. Superman even admitted that Arion might be faster than him but he still won.

I said I want you to show me Superman avoid super speed attacks. I know you read in the jla vs amazo fight that superman cant counter super speed attacks, frieza and goku just move there head side to side from super speed attacks.

But what does it mean when you say "super speed attacks?" How fast are they? You don't know. That's why we use quantifiable feats. Show me Goku moving at even 1% of the speed of light. Make sure to show your math, skipper.

I want you to prove that superman can combat past the speed of sound let alone light. If we can prove on both we still have facts that goku combat speed>>>>>supermans.

No we don't, if you can't quantify it. I already proved Superman's speed - you haven't even attempted to quantify Goku's speed. All of his fights start and end at most a few kilometers from the same area. Prove what is speed is - quantify it.

I think the same about you.

I'm not the one who thinks Yusuke and Bleach characters can beat Superman

You didnt prove anything with that fight since max lord seen the entire thing.

Through a screen controlled by Brother Eye. Are you somehow denying that they reached that far to the sun and back? Are you denying the time it took? Are you denying the distance from the earth to the sun? Are you denying the speed of light? The facts are clear.

I used the fact that goku stood still while light speed attack went through him,

Are you talking about the Jeice and Burter fight? Because that was filler. Also, prove that was a lightspeed attack. Normal humans can see and track ki blasts in DBZ.

blast that made it to the moon instantly.

No timeframe was given for any attacks that reached the moon, and most ki blasts shown don't move anywhere near that fast.

I use the fact that he flew faster then light speed attacks, slapped light speed attacks, etc...

Lie. Never happened.

In the fight with Yakon, he was tracking him by the displacement of air movements. That would have been useless if they moved anywhere near lightspeed, even 1%.

So we basically ignore science for superman and accept it for goku. That seem fair, overrall it is a damn comic.

You're not paying attention, skipper. People in real life can't fly, teleport, and shoot energy blasts, but we've seen Goku do it so we accept it. We just don't ignore the laws of physics in places where they actually haven't been shown to be voided.

Above someone like hercule, everyone else would physically hurt superman since black canary did.

Not physically, and PIS. You're an idiot.

He was blood lusted the entire time. The slash across the neck it what brought him back to himself. Again read comics before posting about them authority.

Not really, because he was just freed from Max Lord's control and disoriented. You're the one who isn't reading it.

no comment because you're ridiculous. I can show you one combat speed feat from frieza that trumps superman entire career.

Really, because I would like to see this. Remember "LOL ITZ DRAWN BLURRY SO ITZ FAST" isn't a legitimate argument. You have to actually calculate the speed of it and compare it.

That still dont change the fact that hes a brute. Champion know every fighting style in the universe but he is still considered a brute.

Only when he's jobbing. Read when he first appears on earth and challenges people, his skills are impressive.

Juggernaut was in the army and know good h2h combat but guess what, hes still a brute.

Because he's practically unstoppable, so he doesn't have to bother with fancy moves.

olossus has been trained by both captain america and wolverine but again he is a brute. So whats your point?

My point is that a "brute" with no super powers and no weapons wouldn't be able to defeat a bunch of armed thugs.

LOL at that speed blitz. Raditz was pulling feats like that in his dream.

Prove it then.

I have seen rogue pull similar feats. Thats more of a bull rush then anything else and stop showing me those wack ass combat speed when it dont even compare to what goes on in dbz.

How do you know? I see lots of claims but no numbers or scans to back it up.

LOl, so goku dont blitz.

In character, no. He usually makes a big huge speech first. Of course, fights in the forums are not in character.

Now this is true since he is a mere brick and his entire rogue gallery consist of nothing but bricks.

😆

This list is thanks to Soljer:

Originally posted by soljer
Action:
749 - blitz
759 - blitz
760 - blitz
763 - blitz
768 - vibrates hypersonic
769 - blitz
775 - types fast enough to catch fire
777 - bullrushes someone from the moon
781 - blitz
787 - blitz
788 - fights (DBZ style) fast enough to set off sonic booms
815 - moves invisibly
830 - blitz
835 - crosses a city to block a bullet after it's fired
835 - blitz
836 - moves faster than electricity
849 - bullrush/dive bomb
854 - blitz (Faster than electromagnetic radiation - guess how fast THAT travels?)
857 - builds an entire city in seconds

Note that this is ONLY from Action, not Superman, not Adventures of Superman, not Superman/Batman, not JLA, none of his guest appearances, et cetera.

And, even of action, it's only back to about 750.

*shrugs* Will that suffice?

What I mean is that, in character, it usually isn't his first resort. But these fights aren't in character.

I guess superman entire career is filled up with nothing but pis.

It is if you ignore all of his plentiful feats, like you have been doing.

To bad that in dbz comics thats all they do is blitz so your lol was pointless.

Really? Then what's with all the huge 10 - minute speeches before each fight? Or the huge long shouting out of technique names before they use them?

the ginyu force blitzed goku and failed

Actually he blitzed them, Recoom was just standing there and making some ridiculously silly pose to prepare an attack which gave Goku an opening to hit him.

nappa blitzed goku and failed

Actually he was trying to attack Gohan and Krillin, but Goku intercepted him. You don't even know anything about the characters you're defending.

dragonball is built around blitzing. Stop trying to make up reasons for superman not blitzing because hes a damn brute.

Except he does, and he's not. And when he does, it is much faster and farther than any DBZ character could even dream of.

Goku did fly from one side of the planet namek to the other in leess than 2 seconds or soemthing !!

goku and frieza wud hav been moving fatser than light during most of their fight ehnce the said 5 mintues fight>>3 hours or so 😛

Read your scans before posting them. Again goku from regular dragonball would blitz the hell out of polaris and beat him quiet easily.

So now Goku is faster than the Flash? You're ridiculous.

Im not talking about him transforming, Im talking about when he kicked frieza and the kick had the planet shaking and the z warriors falling.

Planet shaking? Never happened. Post a scan if you disagree.

Nope, since he wasnt flying at all, just huvering.

Wrong, when he was kicking him he was moving in air. And I love the double standard:

Superman is flying when he is chained up inside of Mageddon, and the mere fact that he is "standing" is enough to prove he's flying (even though most of the time he flies in a horizontal position), but Goku kicking someone in mid-air is just hovering. 😂

Look at it again then maybe you'll find out why picollo and the other warriors couldnt stand up and they were miles away from the fight.

I'm not doing your work for you, skipper. Post the scan yourself if you made the claim.

Thanks for the info, you finally got something right without taking it out of context.

Your can't accuse me of taking things out of context unless you actually explain the proper context and provide evidence that you're right. Otherwise it's just an empty accusation.

Good point but his other side of his durability has him getting nailed by helicopter missles

Scan please

and taking a smaill explosion by a superhuman on war world saying that it hurts.

Do we know how powerful this superhuman is? I can post hundreds of scans of DBZ characters getting hurt by "small explosions" and your response would just be that their enemies are powerful even if the explosions are small.

Maybe you need to use your brain since half of the time you bring up things in comics that never happened.

Just because you ignore them doesn't mean they never happened.

That was never said in the comic. Again, stop making up things. Superman got one shotted, deal with it and again that blast would have never even grazed goku that fought junior. Nice try though.

.... WHAT? You deny that Superman is powered by solar energy? That has to be the most ignorant statement I've ever heard. You practically just conceded the debate right here by admitting you know nothing about Superman. I thought your YuYu Hakusho and Bleach comment was the height of stupidity, but you just managed to top yourself, congratulations.

No, I dont see why since you dont have anything proving what you said and it was never stated on panel.

It was never stated on panel that Superman is powered by yellow sunlight and Doctor Light controls light?

Seriously.... are you retarded or something?

The same space ship that almost killed captain marvel. Youre suppose to be an authority and know everything about superman you should know what Im talking about.

Oh, excuse me for not instantly knowing exactly what incident you were referring to when you said Superman fought a spaceship. I mean, it's not like he's fought thousands of spaceships in thousands of comics throughout his entire history, or anything. 🙄

BTW, from the details you probably mean the Void Hound. That thing was a Controller weapon that could slag entire star systems, and had more power than every DBZ character ever shown combined.

Its pis because it happened to superman. What if I was to tell you that it happened more then once.

Black Canary's scream is a sonic attack anyway, Goku doesn't have any sonic attacks. Of course I know which incident you are talking about, but I suppose asking you to post scans would be too much. After all, god forbid you having to actually back up your claims with evidence or anything, right?
🙄

Thats your opinion.

That's a fact. How can they beat someone powered by the Quintessence? Even the newer Gog in JSA is practically a reality warper.

That superman got crushed in front of millions of people. You do know that the guy who wrote the fight was originally a dc writer.

What exactly are you talking about? Stop harping on fanfiction. You want to know what another DC Writer thought? Joe Casey said Superman could beat Imperiex, Galactus, and anyone at all in all of fiction. You think we should take that seriously?

I guess you didnt get the point of my post.

No I didn't, because I don't see how Marvel characters are relevant to this discussion anyway.

Thats your opinion, I find him to be quite interesting. One of my favorite characters.

Good for you then. I actually admit he can be entertaining if written correctly, but he rarely is nowadays.

So he basically let the innocent die when he could have easily taken out kalibak and mantis before getting KOED.

Along with half the city. Seems like a good bargain to me.

Humans would have gotten killed if it wasnt for orion.

Even more humans would have gotten killed if he just unloaded with full power HV from the start.

LOL at this. And yet humans was standing around freely looking at each punch. Do you know what kind of force a punch that could shake the planet and shock waves that would be giving off.

Kind of like how Vegeta should have destroyed the earth when he suicided, but didn't? Apply your standards consistently, skipper.

Louis Lane stood right in front of the fight and watched superman die to the last blow. Almost every building was in contact. There punches wasnt nothing but window shattering, deal with it.

Which is why in the very same comic it was mentioned there were earthquakes halfway across the nation? You're pathetic.

Show me a scan of a punch in DBZ even causing enough of a shockwave to affect a whole city. (Note that I mean shockwaves from a punch, no ki effects)

What are you talking about, that scan was based on the death of superman which only shattered windows and couldnt even level a city block. Endless Mike, where are you because half of these guys in here dont know jack about comics or the scans that are presented. Also, how do you know if superman wasnt at full strength. When was it ever said that he was weakening during his battle with doomsday. Dont say because doomsday pierce his skin because I can name hundreds that have repeated that same process.

Are you forgetting so soon? You yourself even admitted that I was right about Doomsday being able to hurt Superman more than others with purely physical attacks due to his being Kryptonian.

Scan, because recently in batman/superman comic a damn jet missle knocked him through a couple of buildings and he felt it.

Here is Supes taking a nuke while sitting in an island of Kryptonite and weakened from fighting, and being completely unharmed:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supesnuke.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/supesnuke2.jpg

He also contains the fallout and redirects it harmlessly into space

Using PIS events doesn't negate all the feats that disprove them. Superman/Batman has stuff like Batman kicking Darkseid and making him bleed. It's stupid and nonsensical.

Show me a blast that he has taken that a dbz character couldnt match.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8155/supermandurability9ah9.jpg
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4839/supermanmageddonwarheadwa5.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3003/supermanmageddonwarheadcu8.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5131/supermansuneater4hq7.jpg

And that's just for starters.

Please dont bring up a scan with the YELLOW sun blowing up because 1st thing that same son bring him power

So if I'm eating a hamburger and it explodes, it won't hurt me?

2nd, he wasnt that close to the super nova

It was still strong enuogh to destroy the planet he was on and every other planet in the star system.

and 3rd, he was knocked the hell out.

Better than Gohan and all the others did when Buu blew up the earth.

Now again, put up a scan showing that he has walked through a nuke because to my knowledge someone way stronger then him got hit by a nuclear blast and said that it hurts (superman prime)

You mean Monarch's quantum blast that was nothing like a nuke at all?

and super girl almost got koed by a nuclear blast.

You mean the fight with Reactron? Because that was an artificial sun, and going by hyperbole, he had the power of entire galaxies. Also she wasn't KO'd at all, she was just buried under the ground but otherwise completely unharmed.

She even says she's fine and she's not hurt at all, just a little dirty:

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/6881/supergirldurabilityky2.jpg

Who said that it was just a planet destroying blast. Buu destroyed earth with a blast but the blast was stated to have the power to destroy the planet 10 times over.

Dub line, not canon. Not that that's all that impressive since the minimum energy required to destroy the earth would have it expanding so slowly the debris cloud would take 20 minutes or so to double in size.

Lol at your statement about gohun being damaged by a beam that could basically rip through anything (friezas famous beam).

And yet you don't apply the same logic to Doctor Light.

The most damage that beam ever did was destroy some rocks.

Which blast do you think is stronger, the blast that cell hit gohun with or the blast that junior used that destroyed a island (nuclear blast). The same blast that teenage goku survived.

Going by the logic you apply to Superman, the latter.

Dbz know how to create different kinds of blasts and also know how to control the destructive force of a blast.

Sure they can focus it more, but they can't randomly violate CoE.

Lets talk about black canary almost koing superman or dr light actually did koe superman

Didn't I already cover these?

Compare the Doctor Light blast to the androids draining ki. Now if you ignored the special properties of them (ki - draining devices) you would just say "LOL DBZ CHARACTERS WERE KOD BY THE ANDROIDS JUST PUTTING THEIR HANDS ON THEM". Just like you ignore the special powers Doctor Light has.

or grogg hit superman with a blast temporarily koing him ending with him stepping on his head.

Grogg? You mean Grodd, right? Grodd uses telepathic assaults, which are a completely different animal than energy attacks. Also I noticed that you never post scans of these claims you make.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, You dont know jack. Lets put it like this, THE SWORD IS MAGICAL.

Um, no. No, it wasn't. It was a normal sword that Bulma gave to Trunks.

Do you know who equus is, equus has claws resembling wolverine claws but there different. Equus almost slashed half of superman chest of and cut him across the face.

You're overstating the incident. Superman never had any real trouble with Equus. Besides, being scratched with claws from an advanced being with adaptive abilities is less embarassing that being vivisected by a medieval broadsword.

Do you know who despero is? Despero has regular claws on his hands but he slashed superman across the face with those regular claws.

Exactly what is "regular" about appendages of a superpowered alien being that can take on the JLA?

I agree with this but it still dont change the fact that goku survived a nuclear blast as a kid and didnt even register it.

No he didn't. If you're talking about Picollo's attack, he would have died if Tien hadn't saved him.

Thats something that even supergirl who was stated (but they are equals) as being stronger then superman has failed to do.

Assuming you're talking about Reactron, that's retarded. Remember that, using hyperbole, that was a galaxy-destroying blast. Of course it only created a small crater, but that's the same logic you use to say that Cell's attack could destroy a solar system but it only created a small crater too.

hough he was mind controlled he still got stalemated by a damn human (batman).

Stalemated?

1. Batman had Kryptonite

and

2. Batman stated that if Superman was serious, he would have squished him into goo, the only reason he didn't was that he was fighting the mind control. You are a lying, dishonest hypocrite.

maybe you need to learn something about superman since he was mind controlled during the max lord saga and was still trying to KILL wonder woman.

Because he thought she was Doomsday and had just killed Lois.

In Hush, he knew he was fighting Batman and he knew he was being controlled.

Trucks has super strength and trunks sword>>despero claws.

Despero's claws are part of his body and as durable as he is. Trunks' sword is a normal sword. If someone with super strength and a normal sword attacks someone with super durability, guess what's going to happen? The sword is going to break.

Trunks's sword is strange, Tapions people say it was given to them by the Gods !!

That was kid Trunks' sword in the 13th movie. Future Trunks' sword is completely different, not to mention the movies aren't even canon.

Originally posted by BradBalboa
Goku did fly from one side of the planet namek to the other in leess than 2 seconds or soemthing !!

No he didn't. No timeframe or distance was given.

goku and frieza wud hav been moving fatser than light during most of their fight ehnce the said 5 mintues fight>>3 hours or so 😛

No they wouldn't - most of that fight inthe anime was filler, and Frieza even admitted he underestimated the time it would take for the planet to explode.

Not to mention even if it wasn't, that doesn't indicate lightspeed at all. Bulma was walking around, freaking out, and doing stuff at the same pace. Is she lightspeed too? The wind was blowing, tornadoes were forming, rocks were falling at normal speeds as well. If they were that fast, everything else would be frozen or at least in slow motion.

Show your math that led you to this conclusion.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Bulma was walking around, freaking out, and doing stuff at the same pace. Is she lightspeed too?

I dotn have any, it just my reason, u know as good as anyone DBZ isnt that technical !! in the manga, Goku is one one side of the planet, one frame of him flying them hes there !!

Bulma wa there yes, but u never se her interaatc with the fight, or talk to goku or anything...

Originally posted by BradBalboa
deffinately not !!
Gokus didnt damge Gokus skin when he was a kid before any training, just from natural toughness !!

It didn't damage him, but it hurt him, it's why he avoids the attacks. He didn't just walk right through or stand in front of the attacks. There's plenty of times we see them avoiding attacks. Here's a few more examples:

Goku vs. RR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwiy286Wo8Q

Goku vs. Murasaki

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c52uKmE69KU

Cell vs. the army

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRbj4CXRCE8

This follows the same pattern that all these Superman vs Goku threads do.

DBZ supporters make claims

Said claims are dissproved

DBZ supporters make more stupid claims

Endless Mike and various others shows up and pwn them hard

and now DBZ supporters will deny said pwnage

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
They get more durable to physical attacks too, otherwise by the end of the series every character would be layed out in one punch. What was Tien cut by again? He got cut by a more powerful character...And Goku is much stronger than Freeza at that point.

And okay yea I was wrong about one part. They do get more durable to blunt force and energy. But that still doesn't mean anything compared to bullets or sharp objects. Gokou has shown that saiyans are invulnerable to bullets. Gokou also wasn't cut..and yes he has the aura around him but would that really amp his durability at all? It's not like a shield or anything. As for Dabura's sword it wouldn't really be a normal sword. He's from another realm though that could be one thing that proves me wrong. Trunks' sword is just a regular old sword.

Originally posted by Kento
Tien beat TaoPaiPai during the End of DB. And if I recall it was quite easily because Tien was mad because of what he did to Chiaotzu.

And okay yea I was wrong about one part. They do get more durable to blunt force and energy. But that still doesn't mean anything compared to bullets or sharp objects. Gokou has shown that saiyans are invulnerable to bullets. Gokou also wasn't cut..and yes he has the aura around him but would that really amp his durability at all? It's not like a shield or anything. As for Dabura's sword it wouldn't really be a normal sword. He's from another realm though that could be one thing that proves me wrong. Trunks' sword is just a regular old sword.

He's not invulnerable to bullets, but I'll say he has a high resistance to most bullets. He was dodging most gun fire and other sharp objects as a kid because they did hurt him even if his body is more durable that of a normal person.

Same thing with Gohan, he was shown dodging Dabura's sword attacks (there was no indication that the sword he use is greater than a sword made from earth) and told Goten to back up a bit more when he was dodging those rocks because they would hurt him. Of these attacks were coming from people a lot stronger than a normal person, so they add that extra force with the objects that were being used, but this does prove they can be hurt by things on earth.

Cell when he was holding Piccolo evaded the army attacks rather than standing in front of the fire because they probably would have hurt him and he was scared when 16 was about to selfdestruct on him. Goku can be cut (by Trunks sword), the whole purpose of him putting an aura of energy around his hand was to amp his durability and keep from being cut by Trunks sword. They can still be hurt by some Earth base weapons, they just rarely went up against them. The androids were made out of some type of metal.