Originally posted by Terryc250
Again Udon has no superior knowledge to Capcom then any other hardcore SF fan. Udon and Capcom are seperate companies.
And you know this for a fact how? Where’s your proof?
By your silly logic every single Udon employee must be a hardcore Street Fighter fan, and a Darkstalkers fan too. You see how faulty this statement is?
Originally posted by Terryc250
SO WHAT? You don't see the fight so you cannot assume that, hell imagine Ryu landed that Hadouken and put Gouki out of commision, he can throw Gouki around by his head, or fire hadoukens all he wants, he didn't dominate Gouki that fight, but if you just didnt see the fight and saw only Ryu throwing Gouki by his head you would claim the same thing. Does it mean its accurate? No.
Well, to be honest here, Terry, all I see here is you throwing around conjecture and assumption without any basis in fact or evidence whatsoever, in the same matter that a child throws snowballs at the neighbor’s dog for fun. I’m not assuming anything, it’s clear as daylight from how Ryu was beat up and how Gouki was out to spite him that Ryu was completely dominated
Your counters of “Could have”, “imagine if”, etc are like throwing pebbles down a deep well – it’s pointless. There’s no backing behind it. I’ve already shown you the points, taken from the results from the prefight. You cannot contend with those with something legitimate, so you counter with wild theories left and right.
Supposition and assumption: they mean nothing without backup. If you have some solid proof to present to me, otherwise don’t toss around wild assumptions as though they mean something.
Originally posted by Terryc250
The fact is, you're changing the words around so it fits the way you want it to, it does [b]NOT say "Part of this move" it says "With this move"
The meaning of "with this move" means its about to describe the MOVE (as a whole, not part of it)
So:
“With this move, one’s own life would be cut off in a moment.” (that doesn't describe the last part of the move, it describes the move as a whole, hence "WITH THIS MOVE" and not "The very end of the move"😉
Describing the move entirely (yes entirely, not partly) : one's own life will be cut off in a moment
You cannot deny that.
If you don't change words around, THAT is its definition
However i see your view, but that only works if you change words around, sorry but its true. [/B]
No, you don’t see my view at all. This much is obvious because you’re accusing me of changing words around, when you were doing it plenty earlier. You’re even doing it again now:
Describing the move entirely (yes entirely, not partly) : one's own life will be cut off in a moment
Which just proves my point from before: You’re taking this statement way out of context in order to suit your own needs. You miss the latter part of the passage completely. You’re either purposely being ignorant here (quite funnily, something I predicted earlier) or you’re being a hypocrite by accusing me of such a thing (when I was the one bothering to read the passage in its entirety). Again, take your pick.
Now, onto the argument itself.
To summarize, two things that you cannot change:
E.) Shungokusatsu takes hours to complete, and kills the user at the very end, in the final hell.
F.) The literal meaning of Shungokusatsu is “instant hell murder”, and was translated by Capcom (not some unknown fictional person or persons)
Two facts, based off of deduction, one of which you have already acquiesced to earlier and the other so plainly obvious it requires no acknowledgement anyway.
Correct, “with this move” pertains to the move itself, but in general. You cannot accurately tell what aspect of the move he is referring to. Is he talking about the end? Startup? Course of execution? No – he refers to it in a sweeping generalization, which means that anything under the roof is fair game.
Look at the segment of your post I chose to specifically point out, and look at the actual passage itself. They have quite literally, no correlation. One means something entirely different with another.
You’re still trying to prove that Shungokusatsu kills instantly by taking a single word massively out of context, when fact E refutes that. Considering how you actually agreed with me before and now apparently are going back on that, this is for you, another lesson on hasty statements.
On a closing note to this post; It’s quite pitiful to watch you resort to such things so often in this post like implied bashing, trolling, sarcasm, copying, hypocrisy…when I see you in other vs debates and you’re posting perfectly, bringing up proper citations and etc readily and handily without resorting to nonsense posts.
What a stark contrast “angry/frustrated” Terry is compared to actual “debate” Terry. I wished to have a proper debate, like I did with SmashBros in LK vs Gouki. Apparently I was not granted this courtesy.
I can probably say that you’ve lost a lot of respect from those people who are reading this thread, and you continue to lose it at almost an exponential rate.
Have fun with that.
-DC