Team SOLDIER vs Team Ansatsuken

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Damn, you FFVII fans really need to stop lying. Omega's EXPLOSION quaked Earth(although actually...If I remember right his explosion didn't quake shit going by what we saw, though I could be wrong). Yes he is more skilled, like most of the FFVII characters, they don't actually wield much skill when using their powers, they use extreme speed and strength to overwhelm a being of lesser speed and strength. Inhuman reaction times? Even Ryu can effortlessly dodge bullets, Chaos is about bullet time. Extreme power? His best feat is destroying Omega after Omega was already greatly weakened, oh, and Omega hadn't absorbed the entire lifestream yet, otherwise everyone would be dead on the planet. Stop lying.

I post the videos so you can watch it, so WATCH IT.

Omega WEAPON was weakened? Who do you think he was "weakened" by?

Ryu can't "effortlessly" dodge bullets, please show me him effortlessly dodging bullets please, oh you can't? Then don't state it.

Skill can only get you so far, what is Captian America going to do if he's up against the Sentry?

and Sephiroth was born a SOLDIER and was one his entire life, his skill is second to none, and his power/abilities are second to none

if you want to continue about chaos Vincent, why don't you continue it in Chaos Vincent vs Team Ansatsuken thread? remember this is team soldier vs team ansatsuken and we already have a thread for Chaos Vincent.

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1. Not by feats.

2. NL has never been used in a fight, and took time to use. His TK is not as Godly as you pretend it to be, and Gouki could escape it via intangibility and use one of his death moves on Seph while he is trying to TK rape the others. Sephiroth never teleported, the only thing that may have been tele was in CC, but I still mantain that was just high movement speed. Intangibility can't be used by Seph in battle as proven many times. Far faster movement speed? Not by feats.

You proved Sephiroths intageability cannot be used in battle? ... No you didn't, wheres you're proof? Please attempt at it again.

Far faster movement speed? Yes, ok, i will give reasons and provide some feats of Sephiroths movement speed, but you have to promise me you will show Gouki's "uber" movement speed feats as well.

First of all lets look at Loz' movement speed, Loz' is a weak remnant of Sephiroth, he's only a bit of his power, now, if lets look at his speed, watch at 3:03
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Now if we look at Zacks speed, Zack has his speed why? Its because he is infused with JENOVA cells, now Sephiroth in AC is 100% Jenova, lets look at Zacks speed: 5:00
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Now since Sephiroth has NEVER exerted himself, you got to use your LOGIC to figure out how fast he actually is, but however he did show some speed in his battle in AC while he was toying with Cloud:

at 2:00 after knocking Cloud into the distant building, he warps to the entrance of it in about a single frame, then he slows down.
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Now its your turn to show me Gouki's feats, thanks

this is SOOOOOOOOOOO retarted, some people in the soldier team can one one shot the asatsuken team. why are we even debating this anymore?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
this is SOOOOOOOOOOO retarted, some people in the soldier team can one one shot the asatsuken team. why are we even debating this anymore?

However, Gouki, Gen, and Gouken >>>>>>>>>>> Ken and Ryu, so no. I'm not even sure why those two were put in the list, they're not much more than sword fodder.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Now since Sephiroth has NEVER exerted himself, you got to use your LOGIC to figure out how fast he actually is, but however he did show some speed in his battle in AC while he was toying with Cloud:

His speed feats include teleporting from a Chinese urban location (undetermined) to the Great Wall of China in but a few seconds. (SFA3 Ending) Also, he was able to storm through about a kilometer of water in under 10 seconds in his 3rd Strike ending (which has been posted enough times in this forum by now).

Considering he moves at 100 m/s in water density (1000 kg/m^3) of course he'd move at a speed at least on par, if not better than, Sephiroth. We don't even know if he was going "full out" during the execution of this technique either.

Water is almost 1000x denser than air (1.7 kg/m^3). Do the math.

Originally posted by Terryc250
at 2:00 after knocking Cloud into the distant building, he warps to the entrance of it in about a single frame, then he slows down.

He beats Cloud through the building, there's a delay in time, there's another delay while Cloud staggers to his feet and picks up his F.Tsurugi. After THAT you see Sephiroth flip neatly into the hole that he bulled Cloud through.

Considering all that, he had to have been moving even SLOWER than what he was flying at to ambush Cloud from behind and to slash him through the wall in the first place.

Gouki has never exerted himself in a fight either. We don't really know much about him going full-out on anyone except Gen and Gouken (inconclusive and defeat, respectively), so his overall speed is really inconclusive. Unless you can prove me otherwise.

His speed feats include teleporting from a Chinese urban location (undetermined) to the Great Wall of China in but a few seconds. (SFA3 Ending) Also, he was able to storm through about a kilometer of water in under 10 seconds in his 3rd Strike ending (which has been posted enough times in this forum by now).

Considering he moves at 100 m/s in water density (1000 kg/m^3) of course he'd move at a speed at least on par, if not better than, Sephiroth. We don't even know if he was going "full out" during the execution of this technique either.

Water is almost 1000x denser than air (1.7 kg/m^3). Do the math.

I know that's fast. but remember that he used tenshou kairiki jin. speedwise, gouki is outmatched by team soldier except when he used tenshou kairiki jin. in regular speed, he is outclassed.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
I know that's fast. but remember that he used tenshou kairiki jin. speedwise, gouki is outmatched by team soldier except when he used tenshou kairiki jin. in regular speed, he is outclassed.

"It's only that fast because he used Tenshou Kaireki Jin"
That's only partly true.

You have to think about his other moves that indicate his speed level; despite in-game appearances the Ashura Warp is "technically" supposed to be instantaneous (think in the style of Violent Ken's teleport from CvS2, or Yang's teleport in 3rd Strike), that evens out the playing field. For the most part, his "speed" is inherent in only inherent in a few of special moves anyway, because lorewise they were not designed to be such. The only one that I can think of that focuses primarily on speed of execution is the Misogi.

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not saying that special-speed is equal to "regular" speed, but there's not too significant of a difference between the two.

Team 1 winz, their from Final Fantasy and to make thing worse they're from FF7. They win in a stomp.

Originally posted by Vampire Savior
Team 1 winz, their from Final Fantasy and to make thing worse they're from FF7. They win in a stomp.

another fanboy post 🙄 . at least you could explain why team 1 wins and not just because they are FF7 characters

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
another fanboy post 🙄 . at least you could explain why team 1 wins and not just because they are FF7 characters

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
...I get it. 😂

I don't see whats so funny.

honestly, it's rare to see you at FF7 side.

Really? I've been "down" wit Final Fantasy from the start.

😖leep: 😖leep:

I hope you have nightmares....

sadly, I have a nice dream. 🙂

Cuz your weird, what nightmares would be to normal people are "nice dreams" to you. I hope you have nice dreams instead.

Originally posted by DarkC
Ken and Ryu, yes.

However, Gouki, Gen, and Gouken >>>>>>>>>>> Ken and Ryu, so no. I'm not even sure why those two were put in the list, they're not much more than sword fodder.

Gouki has never exerted himself in a fight either. We don't really know much about him going full-out on anyone except Gen and Gouken (inconclusive and defeat, respectively), so his overall speed is really inconclusive. Unless you can prove me otherwise.

His speed feats include teleporting from a Chinese urban location (undetermined) to the Great Wall of China in but a few seconds. (SFA3 Ending) Also, he was able to storm through about a kilometer of water in under 10 seconds in his 3rd Strike ending (which has been posted enough times in this forum by now).

Considering he moves at 100 m/s in water density (1000 kg/m^3) of course he'd move at a speed at least on par, if not better than, Sephiroth. We don't even know if he was going "full out" during the execution of this technique either.

That was a significant amount of time, MUCH more than a "single" frame.

He beats Cloud through the building, there's a delay in time, there's another delay while Cloud staggers to his feet and picks up his F.Tsurugi. After THAT you see Sephiroth flip neatly into the hole that he bulled Cloud through.

Considering all that, he had to have been moving even SLOWER than what he was flying at to ambush Cloud from behind and to slash him through the wall in the first place. [/B]

Also Kirikaze Fuuma, Vampire Savior is what you call a "troll", he doesn't like FF7 characters, so he makes pointless idiotic posts trying to annoy people.

Originally posted by Terryc250
From watching them fight in street fighter 4, Gouki doesn't look like a being FAR FAR above these characters, he has to str5uggle with Ryu, and don't give me that "he probably wasn't trying" you can tell when someone isn't trying or is trying, Gouki was clearly making an effort in that fight.

And you're stating this by what? What makes you think in all of his fights he's never exerted himself at all, again from watching his fight with Ryu, he clearly was giving effort.

You cannot tell accurately whether Gouki has been trying in the time sequence before the actual trailer starts, it pretty much just cuts in with Ryu clearly haven been owned by Gouki. Also, you can't judge a person entirely by how much effort they put into a fight. Gouki clearly got overconfident and careless, leaving himself open to a shoryuken from Ryu.

What constitutes him giving effort anyways? He stopped 'messing' around with Ryu, but only after his mistake from being far too careless.

You don't have anything to compare it with, so I'm not even sure why you say he's "clearly" giving effort after Ryu gets up. In retrospect, this is the exact same effort that Sephiroth treated Cloud with in FF: AC, and look who won because of lack of seriousness on Sephiroth's behalf - despite Sephiroth being leagues above Cloud.

In all other regards, Gouki >>>>> Ryu.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Ive seen the Street fighter Alpha 3 ending, Gouki did no such thing

Originally posted by Terryc250
10 seconds is just an assumption

Originally posted by Terryc250
the 1 kilometre is just an assumption as well,

Anyways, 1km is NOT an assumption. I never make facts up completely.
You can see from the 3rd Strike ending that the lighting in the water is remarkably low, even though it was 'lightened' for viewing's sake (the submarine wouldn't have used it's headlights if it were really that light)

At the 1200m level (1 km) only about 2% of surface light reaches that depth.

Originally posted by Terryc250
That wasn't his movement speed, he had to charge up and launch an attack to do that, it won't help him in a fight if he requires to charge up and launch an attack to move at that speed, while Sephiroth can regularly move at that speed

No, the only view you get of him is about a second's glance of him standing on top of the ship, before the view switches to the surface. Considering that canonically it takes no time to charge up a cheap-ass attack like Shungokusatsu, neither of us can really form conjectures about it. Your point here is moot.

Can Sephiroth blow through a kilometer's worth of ocean water in mere seconds? When have you seen him exert such strength?

Originally posted by Terryc250
Did you look at the screenshots i posted? You clearly see Sephiroth was still in the distance after Cloud was to his feet, then he warped to the front of the building in a split second. Again, i posted screens, you can see Sephiroth, he was far enough that you saw him as a small dot in the distance, then instantly he was at the entrance

You can't see anything, let alone a body, let alone a body PART.

Sorry, but I have to see better proof than this.