Originally posted by DarkC
You mean the anime-based ad?You cannot tell accurately whether Gouki has been trying in the time sequence before the actual trailer starts, it pretty much just cuts in with Ryu clearly haven been owned by Gouki. Also, you can't judge a person entirely by how much effort they put into a fight. Gouki clearly got overconfident and careless, leaving himself open to a shoryuken from Ryu.
What constitutes him giving effort anyways? He stopped 'messing' around with Ryu, but only after his mistake from being far too careless.
You don't have anything to compare it with, so I'm not even sure why you say he's "clearly" giving effort after Ryu gets up. In retrospect, this is the exact same effort that Sephiroth treated Cloud with in FF: AC, and look who won because of lack of seriousness on Sephiroth's behalf - despite Sephiroth being leagues above Cloud.
In all other regards, Gouki >>>>> Ryu.
.. It wasn't clear that Ryu was "owned" he lost yes, but you cannot judge that Gouki simply wtfpwned him, you can CLEARLY see Gouki is giving effort fighting Ryu, he's grunting with each attack, etc, unlike the Sephiroth vs Cloud fight where Sephiroth basically casually chats to Cloud with a smile on his face the throughout the fight,
Like really, watch it, 2:50 on, hes grunting with force, and i'd even say Ryu was getting the better of the fight, it even seems like Gouki was losing his cool at the end, you cannot say Gouki was toying around in that fight like how Sephiroth was toying with Cloud, and yes Sephiroth is leagues above Cloud, and Cloud is above Ryu.
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Actually it was the SFA2 ending.
Yes he did, he used a different Ashura to warp to the Great Wall of China after he beat Gen.
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No, it isn't. The 3rd Strike ending movie is animated in "real-time" rather than using solely still GIF's; and about 10 seconds is the difference between the submarine losing contact with the surface ship and Gouki exploding out of the surface.Clearly you have not read my points that I brought up when I was debating against Smash some time earlier, judging by these two points that you brought up.
Anyways, 1km is NOT an assumption. I never make facts up completely.
You can see from the 3rd Strike ending that the lighting in the water is remarkably low, even though it was 'lightened' for viewing's sake (the submarine wouldn't have used it's headlights if it were really that light)At the 1200m level (1 km) only about 2% of surface light reaches that depth.
And infact you can see it wasn't TOO far from the surface because if you watch at the beginning where it showed the sunlight you can see a strong patch of bubbles coming from the submarine moving from the water, and yes a submarine would still use its headlights for a more clear look, even if it was slightly dark, they'd put on their headlights for a more clear look.
First of all, do you see him charging anything up? Any ki energies swirling anywhere?
No, the only view you get of him is about a second's glance of him standing on top of the ship, before the view switches to the surface. Considering that canonically it takes no time to charge up a cheap-ass attack like Shungokusatsu, neither of us can really form conjectures about it. Your point here is moot.
Can Sephiroth blow through a kilometer's worth of ocean water in mere seconds? When have you seen him exert such strength?
Cloud could not have been more than 100m from the building that he was smashed through. Your depth perception is remarkably poor; 100m is not even close to be termed as "in the distance". Watch, 2:52. Look at the size of Cloud when he struck the building, you're severely overshooting it.
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As for your screenshots, how am I supposed to simply take your word that a tiny grey smudge on the screen is the entirety of Sephiroth's body, supposedly in the distance?You can't see anything, let alone a body, let alone a body PART.
Sorry, but I have to see better proof than this. [/B]
... that is Sephiroth... what do you think it is a bird in the distance that transforms into Sephiroth? Or Sephiroth turned into an ant then transformed back into himself? If you actually watch it in slow motion its Sephiroth
Go 2:00, and repeatedly press play/pause
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Originally posted by Vampire Savior
Cuz your weird, what nightmares would be to normal people are "nice dreams" to you. I hope you have nice dreams instead.
haha. thank you very much.
Also Kirikaze Fuuma, Vampire Savior is what you call a "troll", he doesn't like FF7 characters, so he makes pointless idiotic posts trying to annoy people.
that's why I didn't take him seriously. 😄
Originally posted by Terryc250
.. It wasn't clear that Ryu was "owned" he lost yes, but you cannot judge that Gouki simply wtfpwned him
Originally posted by Terryc250
you can CLEARLY see Gouki is giving effort fighting Ryu, he's grunting with each attack, etc unlike the Sephiroth vs Cloud fight where Sephiroth basically casually chats to Cloud with a smile on his face the throughout the fight. Like really, watch it, 2:50 on, hes grunting with force, and i'd even say Ryu was getting the better of the fight, it even seems like Gouki was losing his cool at the end, you cannot say Gouki was toying around in that fight like how Sephiroth was toying with Cloud, and yes Sephiroth is leagues above Cloud, and Cloud is above Ryu.
That's not why I brought up the analogy at all; you're taking it the wrong way. Gouki naturally grunts when he fights - Sephiroth doesn't. The whole point of me bringing that up was to show you another instance where someone far superior to their opponent gets defeated because of carelessness; that's how both Gouki and Sephiroth lost to their rivals.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Haha, its funny how you're trying to make everything "real-time"
Originally posted by Terryc250
you can clearly see the sun is out in the fight against Gen, you can see it seeping through even after the fight, Gouki ashura'd away and out of Gens sight he didn't ashura all the way to the great wall, because it was clearly nighttime and a full moon when he got there.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Care to show me a reliable source of where you got your information?And infact you can see it wasn't TOO far from the surface because if you watch at the beginning where it showed the sunlight you can see a strong patch of bubbles coming from the submarine moving from the water, and yes a submarine would still use its headlights for a more clear look, even if it was slightly dark, they'd put on their headlights for a more clear look.
"The uppermost, sunlit layer of the ocean where 70 percent of the entire amount of photosynthesis in the world takes place is called the euphotic zone. It generally extends to a depth of 100 meters (330 feet). Below this is the disphotic zone, between 100 and 1,000 meters (330 and 3,300 feet) deep, which is dimly lit. "
Also, Tiamat's Street Fighter Canon Guide states that:
About the Shinkai3000 in Gouki's 3S ending, the number besides Shinkai refers to maximum amount of meters of depth it can dive down to, which is 3,000 meters or 9,842 feet / 2 miles. it is designed to withstand huge amounts of water
pressure. Shinkai 3000 is refer to as a deep sub /deep submarine.
There you go.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Gouki charges for all his specials, he only doesnt charge for his supers, he even has a small charge when he does his flame hadouken, you don't see him charging because you don't even see him doing the attack.
Originally posted by Terryc250
It only looks that close because the building is HUGE, if they stood from the building to where Sephiroth hit him, they would appear as dots.
Originally posted by Terryc250
... that is Sephiroth... what do you think it is a bird in the distance that transforms into Sephiroth? Or Sephiroth turned into an ant then transformed back into himself? If you actually watch it in slow motion its Sephiroth
Even if what you said is true, he travelled about 100m in a few seconds, which in comparison to other feats, is not very impressive at all.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Go 2:00, and repeatedly press play/pause
Basically you can go ahead and repeat it all you want, but right now it's still unconfirmed as to whether or not that's a body shot of Sephiroth, or the top of his head, etc. Repeating something over and over isn't going to make it fact. I stand by what I said, I need clearer evidence than this.Even if what you said is true, he travelled about 100m in a few seconds, which in comparison to other feats, is not very impressive at all.
it's bird! it's plane! it's sephiroth! dude, does it need to be stated that sephiroth's body at that distance is a bird? it's sephiroth himself. no need for explanation whether it's a bird, a plane or sephiroth.
and gouki never jumped from 3000 leagues, 3000 meters. I guess it's about 150 meters.
Originally posted by DarkC
Yeah, I'm not sure what you consider "dominated", but considering that Gouki lifted a prone Ryu up by his head and tossed him away, I'd consider Ryu "wtfpwned" there, at least at that juncture.
You judge amount of effort by the way someone makes noises during a fight? Gouki grunts when he does everything, just so you know. It's the way he fights.That's not why I brought up the analogy at all; you're taking it the wrong way. Gouki naturally grunts when he fights - Sephiroth doesn't. The whole point of me bringing that up was to show you another instance where someone far superior to their opponent gets defeated because of carelessness; that's how both Gouki and Sephiroth lost to their rivals.
That's still ambiguous then.
Also, Tiamat's Street Fighter Canon Guide states that:
Canon-wise he's never used his supers on anyone else. From the two that we HAVE seen performed, none of them required any form of charging whatsoever.
Yes...and that's still only around 100m at the most.
Basically you can go ahead and repeat it all you want, but right now it's still unconfirmed as to whether or not that's a body shot of Sephiroth, or the top of his head, etc. Repeating something over and over isn't going to make it fact. I stand by what I said, I need clearer evidence than this.
Even if what you said is true, he travelled about 100m in a few seconds, which in comparison to other feats, is not very impressive at all.
I have (clicking as fast as I can on that button). And it still looks as if Sephiroth is approaching from below, rather than head-on as what you've described. [/B]
Please concede, that IS Sephiroth.
Originally posted by Kirikaze FuumaThat wasn't a compliment.
haha. thank you very much.
Originally posted by Kirikaze FuumaI can't believe that you actually believe him. Shame on you. ❌
that's why I didn't take him seriously. 😄
You know you really suck at this....
Also Kirikaze Fuuma, Vampire Savior is what you call a "troll", he doesn't like FF7 characters, so he makes pointless idiotic posts trying to annoy people.
I have said numerous times that FF7 was 1 of all time favs. I even asked if there was a Zack respect thread cuz Zack is 1 of my all time favs...jus cuz I aint a HUGE fanboi like you doesn't mean I don't like it. It's ridiculous fanboiz like you that gives Final Fantasy a bad name. Along wit other great games.
So, trick PLEEZ....
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Originally posted by Sado22I hope you aint serious?
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Trick PLEEZ....
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Originally posted by Vampire Savior
I can't believe that you actually believe him. Shame on you.You know you really suck at this....
I have said numerous times that FF7 was 1 of all time favs. I even asked if there was a Zack respect thread cuz Zack is 1 of my all time favs...jus cuz I aint a HUGE fanboi like you doesn't mean I don't like it. It's ridiculous fanboiz like you that gives Final Fantasy a bad name. Along wit other great games.
So, trick PLEEZ....
😎 [/B]
.. Are you trying to deny that you were trolling? Don't even bother.
Never before have I lied about anything on FF7, if stating the truth is being a fanboy then i guess i am, i have never stated anything out of line like "Sephiroth would pwn Pyron" or anything like that, all i'm doing is exposing knowledge to people who lack in that area about FF7 characters.
So either participate in the debate, or stop your pointless off-topic posts.
Originally posted by Terryc250No, I just said what most who thinks the FF7 team would win were thinkin. "Team 1 winz cuz there from FF7" and Team 2 are just SFs".
.. Are you trying to deny that you were trolling? Don't even bother.
Originally posted by Terryc250C'mon dude, you think Seph and Cloud can mop the floor wit anybody they fight.
.. Never before have I lied about anything on FF7, if stating the truth is being a fanboy then i guess i am, i have never stated anything out of line like "Sephiroth would pwn Pyron" or anything like that, all i'm doing is exposing knowledge to people who lack in that area about FF7 characters.
Fine, I wont call you a name if you don't call me one. Is that fair to you?
Originally posted by Terryc250😆 What did I say that was off topic? I said Team 1 would win and all BS aside...Team 1 would actually win this fight, IMO.
.. So either participate in the debate, or stop your pointless off-topic posts. .
Lets just chill man...be 1 wt the Earth.
Originally posted by Vampire Savior
[B]No, I just said what most who thinks the FF7 team would win were thinkin. "Team 1 winz cuz there from FF7" and Team 2 are just SFs".
C'mon dude, you think Seph and Cloud can mop the floor wit anybody they fight.
Originally posted by Terryc250
That doesn't mean anything, he could've just been simply defeated. Theres no way of judging Ryu got "pwned" or dominated.
According to your standards, from what I've seen here, one must have to been beaten to within an inch of their life for you to concede that they have been "dominated", a concept is obviously very absurd.
Originally posted by Terryc250
No one just naturally grunts, grunting is a sign of using force, does Gouki grunt when he picks up a spoon to eat? If he was fighting a 5 year old kid is he going to grunt? Its easy to tell when someone is putting in effort or not.
There's a difference between mere "effort" and your conception of actually "trying"; if you're basing your argument on the fact that Gouki was grunting (out of all things, really) when fighting Ryu then I could just claim a victory there right here and now; he's always done it while fighting - just like he's always shouted something when he's doing a super.
Since when he has he fought a 5-year old? Ridiculous to bring that up, sorry.
Originally posted by Terryc250
And you were trying to make out the SFA2 ending as real-time as well.
I only used it because Sado22 brought it up in the Gouki vs Cloud thread - and he was supporting Cloud. To be honest, I didn't even know about that "feat" until he brought it up - and I usually don't mind using an opponent's source of facts/evidence.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Oh please, theres sunlight in one scene and in the other scene theres a full moon, the answer is obvious, hours have passed from scene 1 and scene 2, he didn't literally teleport to the great wall of china.
It's still technically unclear; the next scene you see him standing on the Great Wall of China, not arriving there - for all we knew he could have arrived an hour ago, or 5 hours before the time frame of that scene. IN your opinion, minutes.
Originally posted by Terryc250
I hope you know that Tiamuts canon guide, most of it is what he interperetes as canon. And the meaning of the name isn't relevent to how deep the submarine is at that very moment.
"Most" of what Tiamat's guide is retrieved from official statements , or interview transcripts from Capcom. Granted, there are instances where there are unclear sources of information, but he always notes that its not final and that it's unconfirmed. (There seem to be a few in the Fights section, where he mentions it a lot.)
If it was entirely based on his solely UNbased conjuecture, he wouldn't have bothered to write it at all. It's the main reason why people refer to it so often, is because of its accuracy.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Show me the times hes done his supers, in that SF4 anime clip when he did his super there was a small charge, i'm guessing a more powerful super would require a more charge, I don't see Gouki flying around instakicking like regular kicks.
The only other supers he's done are Kongokokuretsu San (which was never depicted in anything other than gameplay, and the actual "charge" up time is unknown), Tenshou Kaireki Jin (none, as shown in the 3S ending), and Tenma Gou Zankuu Kouu (in the SF4 trailer, about half a second).
The one you see in the SF4 anime trailer is the Tenma Gou Zankuu Kouu, a level 2 super. Considering that the only two known level 3 supers, Shungokusatsu and Misogi are stated to be instantaneous (charge-up time for Misogi is unclear, but common sense points to none if you look at the nature of the move) - his most powerful moves wouldn't require more than a second to charge.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Wrong, if we stood 100m away from eachother, we would not see eachother as small dots, we'd still easily beable to make out eachothers bodyparts, etc.
You've never played a football game, evidently.
Originally posted by Terryc250
.. I thought for a few seconds how that being the top of his head would make any sense, but it didn't.
Originally posted by Terryc250
wow, apparently you're having troubles seeing frames, or have bad eyesight, so i made this for you:
If you're ignorant to the point to ignore the terrible video quality of YouTube and point the blame solely to my eyesight, that's another thing altogether. Coupling this and the fact that I was actually making repeated effort to see what you described, that doesn't make a very good statement for you.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Please concede, that IS Sephiroth.
Originally posted by Peach
Guys, please go read up on what is considered canon and non-canon for this forum, and when non-canon sources are allowable...(aka - check the rules thread)
I think I mentioned it in the Pyron vs Sephiroth thread, before it was closed.