Cassandra Cain VS Captain America

Originally posted by spetznaz
In a nutshell, yes.

Got scans? I gotta see that to believe it. Thats almost like a pre-crisis martial art feat.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Similar doesn't mean the same.

Sounds like nitpicking to me I kinda explained how the fight between DS and Batman is what would probably happen if Cap and Bats fought.

Originally posted by Superherovandal

I'm pretty sure Cap couldn't shoot Impulse in the knee with a gun. or stab the Flash or defeat the Atom when he became subatomic. etc.

Anyway another poster dealt with this point.

Yo.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I'm pretty sure Slade couldn't take Hulk down or make Thunderball bleed or defeat Redscull with cosmic cube. But cherry picking showings anyone can do. Its about overall showings and how both Cap/Slade do when fighting in there own weight class.

Slade could take down the Hulk the same way Cap that little japanese woman did: via Judo.

and while I cant speak about the T-ball comment, I will say that Slade wouldve simply SHOT RS b4 he eve came near the CC.

Tazer

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Got scans? I gotta see that to believe it. Thats almost like a pre-crisis martial art feat.

No I don't have scans. It was in one of the Batgirl graphic novels where she fought the Shadow Thief (for Batgirl I did not collect the comics ....I simply bought the collection of those comics in the graphic novels).

However, that feat quite high, meaning that it should definitely be in the Batgirl respect thread (among other high level feats that are simply additional cases of why it is an inside joke when DC refers to the Batfamily as 'peak humans.'😉. It will definitely be there, so you might want to have a look for it.

Is it pre-Crisis? Well, I would not say so (if you mean like PC Karate Kid style, where he was facing off against a Daxamite and Superboy). However it does show that she operates at a very high level.

Originally posted by h1a8
Dodging after the fire and evading the aim are two different things. CA can't and has never reacted to light speeds. Holding a shield up in defense isn't reacting to lasers. CA has never moved ahead of bullets. I've seen that scan and have argued otherwise.

With that said, their speeds should be comparable. If not then CA is just a little faster.

No shield he had guantlets on his wrists to block the many random beams. Dodging the aim and the bullet are also two different things plus BG uses her Body reading ability thats why she couldn't do that with a robot shooter and got shot.

Good that you admit there speeds are comparable or Ca is a bit faster.

Identity Crisis (2004) #3
"Chapter 3 - Serial Killer" is written by Brad Meltzer and drawn by Rags Morales and Mike Bair. Cover by Michael Turner. What weaknesses do the mighty Justice League of America team-members have? Can one man truly defeat seven seasoned super-heroes? Slade, the man called the Terminator, comes very close to doing just that as he carries out the terms of a contract he signed with his new employer, the fugitive Doctor Light. By using 90 percent of his brain, superhuman strength, senses and reflexes, the villain manages to disarm or disable Hawkman, Flash, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Zatanna, Green Lantern and the Atom.

With his friends lying bloody and broken in the streets of Roxbury, Mass., it's up to Green Arrow to turn the tables on the Terminator. And so he does, [his diversion with an arrow from the rooftops Gives the League an opportunity to rally] in the ensuing struggle Dr. Light breaks the mental blocks placed in his mind by the JLA to make him docile and less dangerous! It's payback time!

Captain America is not in the same League as Deathstroke

Originally posted by shiv
Identity Crisis (2004) #3
"Chapter 3 - Serial Killer" is written by Brad Meltzer and drawn by Rags Morales and Mike Bair. Cover by Michael Turner. What weaknesses do the mighty Justice League of America team-members have? Can one man truly defeat seven seasoned super-heroes? Slade, the man called the Terminator, comes very close to doing just that as he carries out the terms of a contract he signed with his new employer, the fugitive Doctor Light. By using 90 percent of his brain, superhuman strength, senses and reflexes, the villain manages to disarm or disable Hawkman, Flash, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Zatanna, Green Lantern and the Atom.

With his friends lying bloody and broken in the streets of Roxbury, Mass., it's up to Green Arrow to turn the tables on the Terminator. And so he does, [his diversion with an arrow from the rooftops Gives the League an opportunity to rally] in the ensuing struggle Dr. Light breaks the mental blocks placed in his mind by the JLA to make him docile and less dangerous! It's payback time!

Captain America is not in the same League as Deathstroke

Your right by your evidence he's above the League of Deathstroke.

LOL Do you know how much jobbing is involved for Slade in that fight.

Its the equivalent of Fallen Son Cap saving Spiderman from the Hulk and Cap KO'ed Hulk. As Spiderman remembered the Hulk was going to thrash him.

Spiderman:"Thats when I have to admit to myself that no one is coming to my rescue. Back then I got luck. More then luck, actually I got Captain America."

After Cap put down Hulk as Hulk is lying down unconscious unmoving.

Spiderman:"Truth is I think he could've taken down a mountain if he wanted to..but at the moment Captain America noticing me...it made everything I've done seem worth it."

Again you choosing high Pis feats anyone can do. And Cap's feat is just as high end if nor more so as well.

Originally posted by spetznaz

Is it pre-Crisis? Well, I would not say so (if you mean like PC Karate Kid style, where he was facing off against a Daxamite and Superboy). However it does show that she operates at a very high level.

I was just kidding but thats one of the best MA feats ive heard of with the exception of KKs feats.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Your right by your evidence he's above the League of Deathstroke.

LOL Do you know how much jobbing is involved for Slade in that fight.

Its the equivalent of Fallen Son Cap saving Spiderman from the Hulk and Cap KO'ed Hulk. As Spiderman remembered the Hulk was going to thrash him.

Spiderman:"Thats when I have to admit to myself that no one is coming to my rescue. Back then I got luck. More then luck, actually I got Captain America."

After Cap put down Hulk as Hulk is lying down unconscious unmoving.

Spiderman:"Truth is I think he could've taken down a mountain if he wanted to..but at the moment Captain America noticing me...it made everything I've done seem worth it."

Again you choosing high Pis feats anyone can do. And Cap's feat is just as high end if nor more so as well.

Cap surviving a few minutes against Classic Hulk is not pis.

Deadpool, Batman, Black Panther DareDevil and Bone claw Wolverine can last a few minutes one on one against classic Hulk.

1 on 1 CA can possibly stalemate Hawkman
Cap would use the shield in a 1v1 battle against Canary. Canary would scream seeing the shield move like a blur towards her. And Cap would go down hard.
In a 1v1v1 with classic Hulk CA and Green Lantern There is only one winner. GL would punch them into the sun or something.
In a 1v1 with Zatanna... "pots" f.t.w.
In a 1v1 with Flash... speedforce ftw

Cap took on Hulk and Red Skull in h2h prepared

Can You demonstrate how Cap could survive And Defeat a group ambush from Magneto, IronMan, Quicksilver, Black Panther and Siryn whilst protecting a wounded civilian?

Originally posted by shiv
Cap surviving a few minutes against Classic Hulk is not pis.

Deadpool, Batman, Black Panther DareDevil and Bone claw Wolverine can last a few minutes one on one against classic Hulk.

1 on 1 CA can possibly stalemate Hawkman
Cap would use the shield in a 1v1 battle against Canary. Canary would scream seeing the shield move like a blur towards her. And Cap would go down hard.
In a 1v1v1 with classic Hulk CA and Green Lantern There is only one winner. GL would punch them into the sun or something.
In a 1v1 with Zatanna... "pots" f.t.w.
In a 1v1 with Flash... speedforce ftw

Cap took on Hulk and Red Skull in h2h prepared

Can You demonstrate how Cap could survive And Defeat a group ambush from Magneto, IronMan, Quicksilver, Black Panther and Siryn whilst protecting a wounded civilian?

Your not reading are you. Cap didn't just survive with Savage Hulk.

He beat him down and made Savage Hulk bleed with his strike. And then he left Savage Hulk down on the ground lying motionlessly unconscious. Cap KO'ed Hulk.

Which IMO its a feat of big PIS. Equivalent to Slade feat of PIS that you brought up.

Cap has faced Hulk on a team 1 on 1 and 1 on 1 after Hulks been softened by other costumes.

Each Time Cap has escaped Death.

Cap STOMPING hulk is unreal

Deathstroke or Midnighter Holding his own against The JLA and Defeating them is not Pis

The Midnighter Held his own and defeated a single opponent with the speed of light, Teleportation Matter Manipulation Precog Class 100 strength and over two thousand more abilities using the power of his mind to run infinite combat scenarios each with infinite possible outcomes in less than a second. Okay Midnighter's HF reset his snapped neck a few times.

Deathstroke has that ability and A Metahuman HF equal to Deadpool. Cap has neither.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Your not reading are you. Cap didn't just survive with Savage Hulk.

He beat him down and made Savage Hulk bleed with his strike. And then he left Savage Hulk down on the ground lying motionlessly unconscious. Cap KO'ed Hulk.

Which IMO its a feat of big PIS. Equivalent to Slade feat of PIS that you brought up.

Don't know about DS's fight but I don't see Cap Koing Hulk as PIS but a high showing.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I don't see Cap Koing Hulk as PIS but a high showing.

😐

What the f*ck ?

Is it even worth my time responding to him? I can damn well justify my stance

If there ever was a shadow of a doubt, now it's gone. I will never take what you say seriously ever again.

Originally posted by Philosophía
If there ever was a shadow of a doubt, now it's gone. I will never take what you say seriously ever again.

Oh go away.

Originally posted by shiv
Cap has faced Hulk on a team 1 on 1 and 1 on 1 after Hulks been softened by other costumes.

Each Time Cap has escaped Death.

Cap STOMPING hulk is unreal

Deathstroke or Midnighter Holding his own against The JLA and Defeating them is not Pis

The Midnighter Held his own and defeated a single opponent with the speed of light, Teleportation Matter Manipulation Precog Class 100 strength and over two thousand more abilities using the power of his mind to run infinite combat scenarios each with infinite possible outcomes in less than a second. Okay Midnighter's HF reset his snapped neck a few times.

Deathstroke has that ability and A Metahuman HF equal to Deadpool. Cap has neither.

Right LOL. Deadpool has had his head literally exploded off and poof grows out another one. Slade can't even regenerate his eye and has even gotten a fever before. You don't know Cap or for that matter Slade and the fact that you use Bio's and summaries shows you only know what you read on the web.

And yes there was a lot of PIS for Slade big JSA fight. Green Lantern throwing a punch instead of using is construct abilities or Flash not being fast as explosions as they directed him to the path of Slades sword. Seriously those explosions should be in "slow-motion" compared to Flash upper speed.

Cap.

Originally posted by shiv
Cap surviving a few minutes against Classic Hulk is not pis.

Deadpool, Batman, Black Panther DareDevil and Bone claw Wolverine can last a few minutes one on one against classic Hulk.

1 on 1 CA can possibly stalemate Hawkman
Cap would use the shield in a 1v1 battle against Canary. Canary would scream seeing the shield move like a blur towards her. And Cap would go down hard.
In a 1v1v1 with classic Hulk CA and Green Lantern There is only one winner. GL would punch them into the sun or something.
In a 1v1 with Zatanna... "pots" f.t.w.
In a 1v1 with Flash... speedforce ftw

Cap took on Hulk and Red Skull in h2h prepared

Can You demonstrate how Cap could survive And Defeat a group ambush from Magneto, IronMan, Quicksilver, Black Panther and Siryn whilst protecting a wounded civilian?

Yo.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Right LOL. Deadpool has had his head literally exploded off and poof grows out another one. Slade can't even regenerate his eye and has even gotten a fever before. You don't know Cap or for that matter Slade and the fact that you use Bio's and summaries shows you only know what you read on the web.

CORRECTION: Slade returned to life from having a baseball-sized hole put in his head in the last ish of his series.

becareful of telling other they "dont know" about certain characters DD1, cuz ya might end up making yurself look foolish.

Tazer

Seriously I agree that DS beating GL was utterly crap besides that ring shouldn't work for DS. The ring literally is programmed to work only for Kyle. But so is Cap doing a single thing to Hulk. Look who wrote that. IIRC its Jeph Loeb. the same guy who wrote Ultimates 3 the same guy that created Rulk. No one should take that feat the least bit seriously