The Presence VS PR Beyonder

Originally posted by Mr Master
btw. ... Humans are called God's children,
more for symbolism rather than actuality,
Humans are just Humans now, but have the potential to be God's children,
but this is when we evolve in death into the next existence,
where we will all be gods, hence, "God's children" ...

No, not true. Humans are are all God's children and that is actuality and not because of symbolism. We are souls and not humans. We are souls trapped in human body. We are all God's children, literally. We are God's children as demigods are, as Jesus is, as Muhammad is, as fish are, as ants are and bacterias. Every living being is 100% God children. No difference between Jesus and any other living being in that department.

Originally posted by Mr Master
but this is when we evolve in death into the next existence,
where we will all be gods, hence, "God's children" ...

That is, because in our true nature we are godlike, because we are His particles (in quality we are the same to God, but not in quantity). But because we have fallen, that doesn't make us any less of His children than before. It means we have fallen from out true nature and forgotten it. Jesus is one of many true spiritual masters who was sent to revive that memory and to teach who we truly are (among that is that we are Krishna (God) children) and why we are here, in material world and how to return home.
But many are not following Jesus and other spiritual masters. But if you follow Jesus, that automatically means you are following Muhammad, Srila Prabhupada... absolute truth. Jesus teaching was from the beginning manipulated and then by church. One of worse manipulation is killing animals for food.

Originally posted by starlock
What are TOAA's feats😖hifty:

Originally posted by Xplosive
No, not true. Humans are are all God's children and that is actuality and not because of symbolism. We are souls and not humans. We are souls trapped in human body. We are all God's children, literally. We are God's children as demigods are, as Jesus is, as Muhammad is, as fish are, as ants are and bacterias. Every living being is 100% God children. No difference between Jesus and any other living being in that department.

That is, because in our true nature we are godlike, because we are His particles (in quality we are the same to God, but not in quantity). But because we have fallen, that doesn't make us any less of His children than before. It means we have fallen from out true nature and forgotten it. Jesus is one of many true spiritual masters who was sent to revive that memory and to teach who we truly are (among that is that we are Krishna (God) children) and why we are here, in material world and how to return home.
But many are not following Jesus and other spiritual masters. But if you follow Jesus, that automatically means you are following Muhammad, Srila Prabhupada... absolute truth. Jesus teaching was from the beginning manipulated and then by church. One of worse manipulation is killing animals for food.

How could anyone believe this babble....

As powerful as the Beyonder was, he was not all-powerful. He was all the power of one universe personified I believe. The Presence is the all-powerful deity of an endless multiverse. He is simply a way of saying God without saying God. If he "loses", such as failing to stop the Anti-Monitor in the Crisis on Infinite Earths, its only because he restricts himself regarding what he will or won't do.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
How could anyone believe this babble....

Who knows... maybe they believe in hocus pocus or magical blue genies too.

Originally posted by Nihilist
mhmm He/She is not in this thread.

You know what i meant 😉

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
How could anyone believe this babble....

I really don't care what you think. I will try to listen far smarter, intelligent, loving people in Jesus and other spiritual masters than someone like you (which is more than 90% of people on Earth), for whom I am pretty sure is a meat eater, which makes you cold blood killer, slaughterer.

Originally posted by Xplosive
I really don't care what you think. I will try to listen far smarter, intelligent, loving people in Jesus and other spiritual masters than someone like you (which is more than 90% of people on Earth), for whom I am pretty sure is a meat eater, which makes you cold blood killer, slaughterer.

Oh dear....

I'm not even going to touch this. You sound just like those annoying
people that come to my front door from time to time.

And they get told where to go as well....

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
And they get told where to go as well....

Good for you. Really, you are the best.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Good for you. Really, you are the best.

Tell me something, if 2-3 people came to your house preaching
atheism to you, ignoring you politely saying you're not interested,
only to have them ignore you and actually talk over you, how
would you react?

With love and affection? Please...

I believe it's less rude to 'ask' them to leave, rather than closing my
door in their faces...

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
But essentially, The Presence has no form and all-encompassing, similar to the Abrahamic God.

The Presence wasn't encompassing Lucifer right before he left creation.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
Tell me something, if 2-3 people came to your house preaching
atheism to you, ignoring you politely saying you're not interested,
only to have them ignore you and actually talk over you, how
would you react?

Originally posted by Xplosive
I really don't care what you think. I will try to listen far smarter, intelligent, loving people in Jesus and other spiritual masters than someone like you (which is more than 90% of people on Earth), for whom I am pretty sure is a meat eater, which makes you cold blood killer, slaughterer.

I am no Mod..thats for sure...but i have always respected you as a poster...you bring religion into a versus thread....that has nothing to do with the comics being discussed..and to start attacking meat eaters well..i dont think its fair to start this here.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
Tell me something, if 2-3 people came to your house preaching
atheism to you, ignoring you politely saying you're not interested,
only to have them ignore you and actually talk over you, how
would you react?

It's only that the atheist don't come to house and preach that. Anyway, like I said, many who says they are religious they are not and are more fanatical and are not following spiritual masters (most on Earth are like that), but are following corrupted church or temples and not true teaching. Those are not real religious people and only want you to take their side.
As you can see, I make no difference between Islam, Christians, Hare Krishna, because I know that in their true form are absolute truth. Spiritual masters have never been sent to make religion, because religion already existed, it's that they had to revive absolute truth, because it had been manipulated too much. It's the corrupted people that they manipulate with that, with the truth for selfish, material reasons. And then people are manipulated by manipulated bible, Koran or Bhagavad Gita to take you to someone to your own side, which should never be the case.
And when it comes to that, again, a real spiritual master comes.

I've read that yo don't want to touch this theme, so I don't want to have this conversation, except if you would want, but it seems, you don't.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
I believe it's less rude to 'ask' them to leave, rather than closing my
door in their faces...

But if that would be the case, I would say ''Goodbye'' and close the door, no matter if they would still continue talking. No need for anything rude.

Originally posted by starlock
I am no Mod..thats for sure...but i have always respected you as a poster...you bring religion into a versus thread....that has nothing to do with the comics being discussed..and to start attacking meat eaters well..i dont think its fair to start this here.

I respect you too, starlock.

Yeah, I know, but The Presence was the case and how it is based on Christian God and then it begins. It's just another thread on KMC which goes far from what OP wanted.

Originally posted by starlock
and to start attacking meat eaters well..i dont think its fair to start this here.

I didn't attack a meat eater, but I did say meat eater are killers, which is a fact. Sorry.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I have the Lucifer/Sandman/Spectre seires,
there are several issues where it's literally stated by the Vertigo/DC God himself,
that they are his sons (Mike/Lucy) ...
other references from Lucy/Mike & other characters/narration are also mentioned.

btw. ... Humans are called God's children,
more for symbolism rather than actuality,
Humans are just Humans now, but have the potential to be God's children,
but this is when we evolve in death into the next existence,
where we will all be gods, hence, "God's children" ...

Only Jesus is referred to as God's actual son in the Bible.
(in fact, it's literally stated, God's "[b]only begotten son"😉 [/B]

True, although from a few comics in the Spectre's it would seem The Word = Jesus. The Word was given a spot by The Voice over the angels. The Presence does have Lucifer and Michael as his sons but he only has one begotten son.

Originally posted by Astner
How could you preach atheism? It's not a religion.

The word 'Preach' can be associated with subject's not only relating to
religion, in case you didn't know!

You can preach religion, or you can preach what you believe to be
moral truth.

Moral truth and religion aren't the same thing!

Originally posted by Xplosive
It's only that the atheist don't come to house and preach that. Anyway, like I said, many who says they are religious they are not and are more fanatical and are not following spiritual masters (most on Earth are like that), but are following corrupted church or temples and not true teaching. Those are not real religious people and only want you to take their side.
As you can see, I make no difference between Islam, Christians, Hare Krishna, because I know that in their true form are absolute truth. Spiritual masters have never been sent to make religion, because religion already existed, it's that they had to revive absolute truth, because it had been manipulated too much. It's the corrupted people that they manipulate with that, with the truth for selfish, material reasons. And then people are manipulated by manipulated bible, Koran or Bhagavad Gita to take you to someone to your own side, which should never be the case.
And when it comes to that, again, a real spiritual master comes.

I've read that yo don't want to touch this theme, so I don't want to have this conversation, except if you would want, but it seems, you don't.

But if that would be the case, I would say ''Goodbye'' and close the door, no matter if they would still continue talking. No need for anything rude.

However i'm coming across, i do respect that everyone has different
beliefs, follow their own moral codes and live life their own ways.

Whether or not i want to have this conversation isn't important,
because this material has potential to offend people if taken the
wrong way, or misconstrued.

We shouldn't be talking about it "here", in this thread is what i'm saying!

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
Moral truth and religion aren't the same thing!

And that is the biggest problem on Earth. The true moral truth you will get from spiritual maters. You can get it also elsewhere, but that is for sure. People on Earth are moralizing themselves mostly based on that they are not killers (didn't kill human and about, you have to survive. Survive to kill another walking being. It doesn't work that way. And how they are hard workers and so on...). But then you ask him, what about animals. And many say, they are not important (and it's hard without meat and you have to eat something. But that is stupid). How can someone moralize about something, when he can't see how wrong is killing animals. How can you see what is wrong, when you are doing wrong? How can alcoholic see, he is an alcoholic (and we know the problem with them is that they sincerely say and mean they are not. But others can see he is, but you can't explain that to him, just can't). When will he realize he is an alcoholic or was? When he stops drinking. Then when time passes, he will see, he truly was, but not when he was an alcoholic.

When meat eater stops eating meat, then he sees how wrong and bad it was. And because of that, he tries to talk to others about that, but other won't take him seriously, and with time he still tries to show them, because of personal experience, because he was also like that, ignorant about that.

People don't realize and how monstrous important is that killing animals and slaughterhouses are one of the worst things that is going on in this world.

I don't want even to preach people about religion, because people are too self centered and don't want to think or listen about that and outside of that as how they been raised. But parents aren't always be right.
Only what I try is to make people see how wrong is killing other persons.

And the fact that you can love an animal as you can love your close friend. Because it's person and we shouldn't be killing other person for selfish reasons.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
We shouldn't be talking about it "here", in this thread is what i'm saying!

I know and maybe it's the best we stop.

Originally posted by Xplosive
No, not true. Humans are are all God's children and that is actuality and not because of symbolism. We are souls and not humans. We are souls trapped in human body. We are all God's children, literally. We are God's children as demigods are, as Jesus is, as Muhammad is, as fish are, as ants are and bacterias. Every living being is 100% God children. No difference between Jesus and any other living being in that department.

That is, because in our true nature we are godlike, because we are His particles (in quality we are the same to God, but not in quantity). But because we have fallen, that doesn't make us any less of His children than before. It means we have fallen from out true nature and forgotten it. Jesus is one of many true spiritual masters who was sent to revive that memory and to teach who we truly are (among that is that we are Krishna (God) children) and why we are here, in material world and how to return home.
But many are not following Jesus and other spiritual masters. But if you follow Jesus, that automatically means you are following Muhammad, Srila Prabhupada... absolute truth. Jesus teaching was from the beginning manipulated and then by church. One of worse manipulation is killing animals for food.

Please...take this to the religion forum where it belongs.

Originally posted by Doom and Gloom
Please...take this to the religion forum where it belongs.

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