The Presence VS PR Beyonder

Originally posted by Galan007

I remember when I used to bring up the notion that some
characters were portrayed as more powerful than their real world
writers, and you laughed at the idea... You called it a cartoonie joke
that wasn't meant to be taken seriously, iirc. But if your opinion
regarding the aforementioned has changed, then you should know
that Mopee(a 5-D denizen) has some of the best feats out there...

Not only was Mopee responsible for creating the 'big guns' in both
Marvel and DC(ie. Flash, Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, X-Men,
etc.) but he also introduced Jim Shooter's mother and father, thus
making him responsible for the creation of Jim Shooter himself:

So really, you should thank Mopee. Without him the Beyonder would be non-existent.

But seriously, I'll still laugh at it now, (not in mockery though)
just like I would laugh at Beyonder being over Shooter.

I'm just entertaining the whole madness my friend,
I wasn't going to put this discussion into practice
concerning Beyonder vs threads.
We're just having a fun discussion. 🙂

You know I put Beyonder = THOTI ...
but I have submitted that one could argue Beyonder > THOTI imo.

Originally posted by Galan007

Marvel Age #27.

Originally posted by Mr Master
😆 ... Mopee's the shit

But seriously, I'll still laugh at it now, (not in mockery though)
just like I would laugh at Beyonder being over Shooter.

I'm just entertaining the whole madness my friend,
I wasn't going to put this discussion into practice
concerning Beyonder vs threads.
We're just having a fun discussion. 🙂

You know I put Beyonder = THOTI ...
but I have submitted that one could argue Beyonder > THOTI imo.

👆 ... my bad Leo.

Originally posted by Galan007
I remember when I used to bring up the notion that some characters were portrayed as more powerful than their real world writers, and you laughed at the idea... You called it a cartoonie joke that wasn't meant to be taken seriously, iirc. But if your opinion regarding the aforementioned has changed, then you should know that Mopee(a 5-D denizen) has some of the best feats out there...

Not only was Mopee responsible for creating the 'big guns' in both Marvel and DC(ie. Flash, Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, X-Men, etc.) but he also introduced Jim Shooter's mother and father, thus making him responsible for the creation of Jim Shooter himself:

So really, you should thank Mopee. Without him the Beyonder would be non-existent. 👆

Here's the whole interview:

Marvel Age #27.

muchos gracias compadre. i used to love marvel age. i confess to always wondering just how honest the interviewed people were being. and i def read that article (think i have MA 27 in my basement somewhere actually.....)

never saw the mopee stuff though. priceless! 😂

shooter was an interesting dude. he did like to explore the the biggest guns. even gold key solar was god-like. and he just really didn't seem to give a rat's a$$ who he pissed off. i can respect that. lol

Originally posted by Mr Master
I have to disagree with this good friend.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I have to disagree with this good friend.

There's no doubt the TOAA's half that appeared in Spidey #40
was a representative avatar of the Writer.

I have on panel proof if need be as always. 🙂

Imo, classic Beyonder is/was above any power that related to the Marvel totality.
(including THOTI which is the next greatest thing ever)

Imo, only the Primal Monitor truly compares to Shooter's vision of the Beyonder.

Now,
I also apply an understanding when Supreme powers confront each other,
it should be auto stalemate.

We'll never see two supreme beings battle in comics (even DC vs
Marvel the result was a never-ending stalemate) so there's no point
in babbling about which Supreme being is greater.

Now,
I don't understand the relationship between the Primal Monitor and Presence,
but one's gotta be greater if they are indeed separate entities.
(there can only be One supreme power within a company)

In the Beyonder's case, he was the Supreme power ...

... ridiculous as it may be Jim Shooter stated Beyonder discovered him along with Marvel:

"[B]Beyonder's discovery of our Universe"

"We introduced the Beyonder
and established
that he was studying these beings - us - he had discovered"

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Originally posted by Mr Master

This is probably why ol' Jimmy had Stan Lee bowing to the Beyonder:

(left bottom corner ... top of his index finger ... Beyonder's right hand)

(top right corner)

😂

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You know, I've thought of this before,
but on the strength of descriptions Astner,
if TOAA was a character in play at the time,
then TOAA was < Beyonder according to Shooter.

He didn't say that exactly but blatantly implied it in this interview.

Originally posted by Astner

The post was made four years ago, even I disagree with it.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

You're misinterpreting that statement. Shooter was obviously
speaking from a narrative perspective. You're taking him referring to
Marvel characters("us"😉 and openly backhandedly
implying that Shooter's comments cover the RL universe as well.

Anyway, I see it the way I see it, as you do the same ... I love kmc.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

I don't think that's really Stan Lee.
It's probably just an average joe but don't know for sure.

The First scan it represents all people of the world, (that image is clearly his)
the Second scan represents the most powerful men/women of the world,
which is the heroes/villains and 4 non-powered humans
(president Reagan, Frank the biggest drug dealer,
don't know the old head beneath Ultron, and apparently Stan Lee again)

Anyway, I could be wrong, but considering that his visage was included in both pages,
imo, I find it highly unlikely it was a fortuitous act on the artist's part.

I think this type of threads of omnipotent beings while informative is kind of silly to ask:

"Who is the most omnipotent of this two omnipotent beings?"

IMO anyway.

As for who wins. I think PRB is more omnipotent than the Omnipotent Presence 😛

Sorry if this is considered necroing, in some forums i lurk in 6 months is acceptable.

Point is... beyonder is stated on panel to not be, himself, part of "the realm of existance", and also that his power is "millons of time more than all the rest of the power in the multiverse combined", THOTI is part of the multiverse, then, Beyonder >(x1000000+)>THOTI, he is alas stated to be the God of a universe that still is not. Now among all the things that still are not but can be, exist a being or concept which is more powerful than prescence, TOAA. Im pretty sure the answer is yes, then beyonder is without a doubt more powerful than TOAA or Prescence.

Now, even if IRL beyonder is a fictional character designed and printed by marvel (and thus part of marvel's multi-verse), the fictional character per se, is repeatedly stated as not being part of said multi-verse, so he is not a creation of TOAA.

edit: Didn't mean to bump this, I was actually copying my old post with scans from it.

Sorry, yall can ignore.

You don't need the Presence to beat the PR Beyonder. The Presence son Lucifer Morningstar in mortal form will just talk to Beyonder into erasing itself from existence. That is how a bad azz Lucifer M. Is.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Asmodel freakin' lost to a Superman who didn't have super strength. Asmodel sucks at life.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Asmodel freakin' lost to a Superman who didn't have super strength. Asmodel sucks at life.

TOAA is a hobo that looks like he has leprosy. I dont get the appeal to have the most powerful person in Marvel look like this.

Stalemate both are Omnipotent.