Borbarad
Advocatus Diaboli
Originally posted by Gideon
How do you know they were not? I'm going to reiterate this one final time: the only dark side energies present at Byss -- the very same ones that corrupted the planet to begin with -- were generated by the Emperor. He is not siphoning or being empowered by potency of others or situations; he is basking in the environment that he deliberately created without aid. Palpatine and Byss are both identified within Dark Empire as each a "dark side nexus."
Errrr....
Wasn't it mentioned that Sidious did partitially drain the inhabitants of Byss? See...the problem I have here is the idea behind turning Byss into a Dark Side place. What reason would the Emperor have to do something like that. And even more important: By what means would he have archieved that goal?
See...Iziz happens to be another place tainted with the Dark Side, which is just the case, because it was reigned by a line of Dark Side Adepts and the people did actually - at least to a certain extend - believe in the Dark Side teachings that Nadd and his descendants were preaching.
And then, seriously: Why would the Dark Empire Sourcebook even mention that he is - to a certain extend - more powerful on Byss than elsewhere, if the energies there weren't affecting his ability. In fact: Why would a Dark Side place [even though generated by himself in the first place] not affect his powers? Hell...why would he even turn the planet into a "dark side nexus" if he doesn't benefit from that at all?
Except, sadly, unlike the late Count Dooku, Marka Ragnos, or Tavion, Palpatine was being saturated in his own energies.
Energies that apparently were stored on the planet. That is the entire point here. Imagine Byss like a giant Sith amulet: Sidious did construct it and while he was using it, it made him more powerful. That he constructed it in the first place doesn't matter at all.
What ridiculous logic. Yoda and Luke Skywalker have never demonstrated telekinesis on par with Starkiller. Mace Windu hasn't demonstrated the ability to repulse Force lightning as General Kota has. I suppose Kota and Starkiller are more powerful than the other characters mentioned. Ironic, since you went on an endless rant on Luke Skywalker's level of power. I suppose, though, since he hasn't shown it... he simply can't compare.
Did I miss the instance where Starkiller lifted something of the size of the remains of the crystal caves on Ilum (which Yoda did) or did force pull something that mimicks the gravitation of a black hole (like Luke did)?
Wrong. Dooku demonstrated superiority with the Force throughout that duel, but did not demonstrate anything approaching dominance with his blade. Anakin disarmed Dooku and knocked him down on the floor, several feet away. Dooku was unarmed and sitting like a scolded child and was only spared because Anakin rushed off to rescie Ahsoka.
ROFL.
I wonder that you lecture people on "shading the truth", Gideon. Dooku did put Anakin on his ass twice rather easily. He then took out that nice holo-device to show Anakin what Ahsoka was facing and Anakin did put him on his ass, yes...after the Count was wielding his lightsaber with his left-hand only [because he had the holo-device in his right hand] but he didn't disarm him. Dooku was still holding his lightsaber in his left hand. And he also had no intent to continue this fight - instead he gave another taunt and let Anakin go. He could have continued the duel, if he would have liked to do so.
Double standard detected! You will now show the explicit difference between this scenario and the one with Anakin and Dooku.
Easy: Dooku has knocked Anakin on his ass twice, then duels him with his offhand, and - unlike Sidious - he isn't disarmed and very well able to own his opponent with his force powers - which he demonstrated two times in the very same duel.
Skywalker was buried under rubble; Dooku was unarmed and on his ass. They weren't at their opponents' mercy? Prove it.
Dooku wasn't disarmed. His lightsaber was just deactivated and he was still holding it in his left hand and he could still have force raped Skywalker [as he did it two times before]. And Luke? Apparently it would never have even come to this situation, if Luke had gone all out on Desann. The same with Dooku and Anakin on Tatooine.
No one even implied as much. But it is rather telling that you're suggesting Ragnos has to be in full form to overcome Jaden Korr on Korriban.
In full form? Hardly!
In better shape then taking over an already beaten Tavion? Let me rephrase that: He was attempting to fight Korr, using the body of an already defeated person to wield around his sword [that was designed for a far stronger being than Tavion], this while just having access to Tavion's limited [in comparison to his own] force potential.
Imagine Sidious attempting to fight anybody, while still possessing Jeng Droga.
Prove it. She had a fully armed and fully determined Jedi Knight facing her down. Nothing suggests she could have summoned the ritual immediately to resurrect his body.
I guess Faunus point was that she already used most of the energy stored within the sceptre to call Ragnos spirit back from the Netherworld of the force. Hence he doesn't see how said sceptre should have empowered her. Neither do I.
Bandon and Malak aren't unskilled or anything approaching weak, nor has it ever been accepted among us. And prove that Tavion's defeat at Jaden's hands was "significant."
The significant thing here is that Jaden did defeat Tavion, meaning that Ragnos was possessing somebody who was - de facto, and even with all possible power-ups available [sceptre, Korriban] - weaker then Jaden Korr. So, essentially, we have Ragnos powerless [in comparison to him alive] spirit + the power of the person that Jaden Korr did already defeat [meaning that Tavion nwas in a condition in which she couldn't continue the fight any longer] put up against Jaden Korr.
Right. Because the Jedi have proven themselves to be more militant and value power over the Galactic Empire and a Sith loyalist group. Coleman Trebor was more powerful than Skywalker, wasn't he? Luke Skywalker didn't become Grand Master until the Dark Nest Crisis. Guess then and only then does he rival Yoda.
I wonder, how you didn't understand the obvious Sarcarm that Faunus was handing out. What has a possible promotion of Jaden Korr to do with Tavions position in the Reborn Empire? Oh right. Nothing at all.
I didn't mention power, I said skill and experience.
Which is great. Unfortunatelly, overall power is the factor that determines versus fights. And skill? Yeah. The boy just dealt with an army of Dark Jedi. How much skill can he have? Experience. Okay. But then again: How does that matter?
And you can prove that it would enhance his powers in the afterlife four thousand years later?
Urm. Kun's power? Well...I didn't see too much Sith spirits who were capable of force toasting quite promising Jedi students [Kun VS Gantoris] or amplify the abilties of others [Kyp lifting the Sun Crusher with the help of Kun]. So either it was the ritual or the temples on Yavin that equipped Kun's spirit with abilities beyond that of "regular" Sith spirits - which doesn't matter since Ragnos didn't have either.
Good. But, we can infer that Marka Ragnos was a beast.
The guy in his "powerless" spirit shape was capable of placing burnmarks on the foreheads of Qel-Droma and Kun by mere placing his hands there. Meaning his amount of power when he was alive could probably be accurately judged with "WTF?!"