Dr. Doom vs Thanos

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Quanchi112, don't be ridiculous. Your double-standards and wilful ignorance in this thread is nauseating. Go ahead and rest your laurels on creating Omega. Doom never tried to create a Galactus clone. We don't know if he'd succeed or not. What we do know is Doom has: 1) humbled Galactus twice, whereas Thanos got curbstomped; and 2) Doom succeeded in stripping, isolating and transferring the Power Cosmic, whereas Thanos with better tech, more time and help, completely failed. Thanos specifically tried to strip, isolate and transfer the Power Cosmic and could only make a Galactus Cannon. He stopped his attempts because he continually failed for weeks, it had nothing to do with Annihilus' betrayal. Reread Annihilation over again. In the end, you choose to weigh 1 success by Thanos in an area where Doom hasn't even attempted over 2 successes by Doom where Thanos completely falls short? Your cup of tea, but it's pathetic, ignorant logic.

Silver Surfer never gave Doom his power. Doom stole it from him.

Thanos was given THOTU by TOAA. He himself states this. Ignoring that basic truth of the story makes any further argumentation of yours moot.

Most, if not nearly all posters believe that pre-retcon Beyonder is equal to or superior to THOTU. Go to the Beyonder vs THOTU threads. Don't waste my time by feigning further ignorance.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Just because Mr Master weighed in, left and said he didn't care and then quad posted again in response to my posts means nothing. He is utterly wrong. It's plain as day in the full page scan I posted. Reed explains it. I don't cut up pages to interrupt the panel flow of a conversation that takes you step-by-step as to why SWII Beyonder couldn't kill 616-Doom (who hadn't met him yet) because it would have destroyed history, time and Beyonder. You're ignoring the clear, plain presentation of that and hiding behind a wrong theory because I've put you in that corner and you can't concede this simple point: "When Doom plays on the cosmic scale, he is arguably equal to or superior to Thanos in terms of pure feats."

You underestimated Doom. Most people make that mistake. Nothing to get in a twist about. But you did. Just move on. Nuff said.

1)Doom couldnt beat Galactus on his own or outside the circumstances of secret wars. Hell,we he was lucky as shit to take on the beyonder's power which he couldnt handle by the way. Thanos had Galactus captured when he wanted this done. He also saved Galactus. If you really think that with all of Thanos' resources and such that he couldnt take down Galactus thats on you.

2)Thanos abandoned the project when he found out Annihilus' intentions. It seems like you are trying to base this entirely off this. Thanos was still working on it and then was killed after he found out about the betrayal. If he was still on it who knows when he would have discovered how to isolate. Its anyone's guess.

I seem to recall deception being involved with Doom's taking of Surfer's power cosmic. I havent read that in years though so I could be wrong about that.

The heart was meant for Thanos but he still had to take action and because of his history he could adapt to it and could fix the wrongs and save the universe. Doom's plan was total and utter failure. You know it and I know it. Thanos>>Doom. Just accept it.

Who says its superior and whats that based on? Thanos handled the power while Doom couldnt. Fact. Thanos didnt need another time to adjust to any of his artifacts.

Thats between you and mr master. I have seen his scans and his argument makes more sense that yours imo. Thats it. You havent convinced me. You seem to really like Doom and are trying really hard to make this closer than it is. Thats fine by me as we all have our own personal biases,but this isnt close imo nor in most others.

Thanos is and always has been a lot greater than Doom.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You keep harping about creating the power cosmic. Big deal the Thanos clones are much more impressive than the power cosmic imo and a lot more powerful.

1)Doom couldnt beat Galactus on his own or outside the circumstances of secret wars. Hell,we he was lucky as shit to take on the beyonder's power which he couldnt handle by the way. Thanos had Galactus captured when he wanted this done. He also saved Galactus. If you really think that with all of Thanos' resources and such that he couldnt take down Galactus thats on you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
2)Thanos abandoned the project when he found out Annihilus' intentions. It seems like you are trying to base this entirely off this. Thanos was still working on it and then was killed after he found out about the betrayal. If he was still on it who knows when he would have discovered how to isolate. Its anyone's guess.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I seem to recall deception being involved with Doom's taking of Surfer's power cosmic. I havent read that in years though so I could be wrong about that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The heart was meant for Thanos but he still had to take action and because of his history he could adapt to it and could fix the wrongs and save the universe. Doom's plan was total and utter failure. You know it and I know it. Thanos>>Doom. Just accept it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Who says its superior and whats that based on? Thanos handled the power while Doom couldnt. Fact. Thanos didnt need another time to adjust to any of his artifacts.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=489442&highlight=title%3A(thotu)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=460217&pagenumber=13

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=474848&pagenumber=7

Thanos graduated to handling "infinite power" through experience. He gave up the Cosmic Cube and the Infinity Gauntlet because of his subconscious. Doom lost infinite power because he couldn't mentally handle it. Thanos lost infinite power because in his soul, he knew he wasn't worthy of it. In three separate instances, Thanos couldn't handle infinite power. He managed to hold onto THOTU, but of course, ended up being the butt of a cosmic joke. Doom held onto the Cosmic Cube (unlike Thanos), but couldn't control Beyonder's power. He could handle it a second time. You don't have to believe it until I prove it. But once I do, and once Doom captures the Infinity Gauntlet, we'll see who ends up looking superior when it comes to infinite power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thats between you and mr master. I have seen his scans and his argument makes more sense that yours imo. Thats it. You havent convinced me. You seem to really like Doom and are trying really hard to make this closer than it is. Thats fine by me as we all have our own personal biases,but this isnt close imo nor in most others.

Thanos is and always has been a lot greater than Doom.

That's your opinion. But you think Thanos is greater than everyone. But you needed to be reminded that Doom figured out the Power Cosmic, whereas Thanos couldn't. Doom's humbled Galactus twice, whereas Galactus has crapped on Thanos. Doom's gained pre-retcon Beyonder's infinite power through his prep and sheer will, whereas Thanos was given THOTU by TOAA. Doom has humbled his greatest nemesis several times, whereas Thanos never has. Doom has achieved all his personal goals by his own effort, whereas Death finally decided to let Thanos get some pity-love. And even after being reminded of all that, you haven't budged from your stance one bit. That's not an informed opinion, that's ignorant fanboyism.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Translation: "Thanos deserves more props for siccing Tenebrous and Aegis on Galactus. Doom deserves less because he beat Galactus and Beyonder on his own with the element of surprise and prep, which I, Quanchi112, have decided to call "plot device." Thanos could never take down Galactus. Galactus craps on Thanos, literally. And Doom has humbled Galactus twice.
Thanos failed. He couldn't figure it out. His own words. He had stopped working on unlocking the secrets of the Power Cosmic well before Thanos discovered Annihilus' betrayal. Get the sequence of events straight. Anybody who has read Annihilation knows this.
You're right. You are wrong. But I find it amusing how you believe "deception" invalidates a feat. As I recall, Thanos pretty much deceived every single Elder to gain the Infinity Gems save for Gardener and Runner. Nice double-standard.
Thanos was given THOTU by TOAA. It's not up for discussion. If TOAA decides you ought to have something, there is no victory or failure involved, it just is.
Superior or equal. Read the threads. They speaks for themselves and so do the people in the thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=489442&highlight=title%3A(thotu)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=460217&pagenumber=13

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=474848&pagenumber=7

Thanos graduated to handling "infinite power" through experience. He gave up the Cosmic Cube and the Infinity Gauntlet because of his subconscious. Doom lost infinite power because he couldn't mentally handle it. Thanos lost infinite power because in his soul, he knew he wasn't worthy of it. In three separate instances, Thanos couldn't handle infinite power. He managed to hold onto THOTU, but of course, ended up being the butt of a cosmic joke. Doom held onto the Cosmic Cube (unlike Thanos), but couldn't control Beyonder's power. He could handle it a second time. You don't have to believe it until I prove it. But once I do, and once Doom captures the Infinity Gauntlet, we'll see who ends up looking superior when it comes to infinite power.
That debate is over. It is sooooo done. Wanna hide behind incorrect assertions that fly in the face of on-panel proof? Or do you want to discuss it? Pfft. It's supremely obvious you wouldn't dare participating in that debate because you know it's a complete loser. Good tactical decision to be sure, but it's painfully obvious why you won't even discuss it. You'd get stomped.

That's your opinion. But you think Thanos is greater than everyone. But you needed to be reminded that Doom figured out the Power Cosmic, whereas Thanos couldn't. Doom's humbled Galactus twice, whereas Galactus has crapped on Thanos. Doom's gained pre-retcon Beyonder's infinite power through his prep and sheer will, whereas Thanos was given THOTU by TOAA. Doom has humbled his greatest nemesis several times, whereas Thanos never has. Doom has achieved all his personal goals by his own effort, whereas Death finally decided to let Thanos get some pity-love. And even after being reminded of all that, you haven't budged from your stance one bit. That's not an informed opinion, that's ignorant fanboyism.

But lets go over the events as they unfolded in annihilation shall we.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/A-SS-04-015.jpg

Here,Thanos reminds Annihilus all the things made possible by Thanos' involvement in this war.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Annihilation2-019.jpg

More scans.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Annihilation2-020.jpg

The answer.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Annihilation3-011.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Annihilation3-012.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Annihilation4-005.jpg

Afterwards,Thanos checked in with Moondragon's aid to find out what Ammihilus' true intentions were. Lets just say there was supposed to be a reckoning until Drax interfered.

Same result had Thanos released Galactus as the Surfer had not Drax interfered.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Annihilation6-005-1.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Annihilation6-006-007-1.jpg

Have any scans of the sequence of events that led up to Doom gaining Surfer's power?

Thanos deceives characters as well as Doom. It call counts but please during marvel's the end Thanos' own tech was simply more advanced and was actually spying on Doom himself. He had no clue it was Thanos. Doom's plan failed and stunk and I have already given you a scan with Thanos' own opinion on why Doom failed in this regard.

If TOAA decided the heart was meant for Thanos it was because of his history and that he was the best man for the job which he was. Doom was in the same exact story and he wasnt chosen. Thanos is just the better man while most here clearly see including yourself. You just want to defend Doom here for whatever reason.

Ok,heres a hint for you. No matter who gains ultimate power in whatever story that they find themselves in they will always lose in the end. They wont own the 616 universe for all-time. Thats not the way things work. Cling to Thanos' subconscious defeats. At least he could wield such power. No one was ever good enough to beat him without it or take it from him. He could always handle it and adapt to whatever power source he sought and achieved.

Quit telling me how you are going to prove it. Just prove it. Again,Thanos is always the first to achieve these powerups and then he moves on to something greater. Before his death he wasnt motivated by amping himself as he had in the past ,but Doom is still out there because he wants to achieve what Thanos has achieved. I cant blame him. He has to go down that road on his own. Thanos has already been there. Its really humorous for you to tell me to wait and see how Doom handles the ig. Thanos was the first to gain the ig and he isnt out there to reacquire it. But you just keep waiting. Thats the only thing you can say is wait and see what Doom has in store for us because currently this is all Thanos.

Lets ignore the fact that the Beyonder had Doom literally broken on panel and came to examine his body and thats when Doom struck. He benefited from unique circumstances with death seemingly absent fromt his battlefield. Yippee for Doom. He later had this power TAKEN from him.

The whole heart vs. Beyonder thread is another debate in and of itself. If youd like to go that route bump the thread. Dont put up links. Bump it if you wish.

Again,I have given you my opinion on this and it seems mr master has beaten you. Thats between the two of you. K. You seem to have a strong love for Doom which is understandable,but his argument is one in which seems to be the correct one imo.

Doom hasnt humbled Galactus under his own power so please,quit bringing it up. Thanos has saved Galactus and this whole reality from the hunger an interdimensional parasite Galactus himself unleashed. Keep at it you wont win. You begrudgingly gave this to Thanos. Sorry,but you agree with me on the outcome and disagree that its a stomp in Thanos favor. Doom also lost Beyonder's power while Thanos has never proven unable to handle a power source. Doom hasnt killed his nemesis but Thanos has. Thanos' personal nemesis is someone who usually leads the universe in times of crisis while Reed Richards is just a roleplayer. Just letting you in. When has Warlock ever taken a backseat in a story with Reed Richards in it?

Its funny you call me an ignorant fanboy when you yourself are arguing for Doom here simply because you are a fanboy. I mean you agree Thanos takes this,but since you love him so feel it necessary to continue with me even when you know he isnt Thanos or up to his standards.

Thanos wins as you agree,but its a stomp friend.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is that Doom couldnt just defeat Galactus in a normal situation outside secret wars and the circumstances involved. You keep obsessing over the power cosmic like its the end all be all factor in this debate. Lets say Thanos had been at it for years in attempting to to learn the secrets of the power cosmic and failed. Does that prove that Doom is better than Thanos? Does that decide this on its own? Should we ignore the rest of their entire histories and focus on this one thing?

Originally posted by quanchi112
But lets go over the events as they unfolded in annihilation shall we...

Afterwards, Thanos checked in with Moondragon's aid to find out what Ammihilus' true intentions were. Lets just say there was supposed to be a reckoning until Drax interfered.

Same result had Thanos released Galactus as the Surfer had not Drax interfered...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Have any scans of the sequence of events that led up to Doom gaining Surfer's power?

Thanos deceives characters as well as Doom. It call counts but please during marvel's the end Thanos' own tech was simply more advanced and was actually spying on Doom himself. He had no clue it was Thanos. Doom's plan failed and stunk and I have already given you a scan with Thanos' own opinion on why Doom failed in this regard.

Thanos also had no idea he was being spied on by Magus. And yet, Magus had no idea he was being spied on by Dr. Doom. See how your simplistic logic fails when you add nuance?

Originally posted by quanchi112
If TOAA decided the heart was meant for Thanos it was because of his history and that he was the best man for the job which he was. Doom was in the same exact story and he wasnt chosen. Thanos is just the better man while most here clearly see including yourself. You just want to defend Doom here for whatever reason.

http://img1.putfile.com/main/3/6315491037.jpg

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok,heres a hint for you. No matter who gains ultimate power in whatever story that they find themselves in they will always lose in the end. They wont own the 616 universe for all-time. Thats not the way things work. Cling to Thanos' subconscious defeats. At least he could wield such power. No one was ever good enough to beat him without it or take it from him. He could always handle it and adapt to whatever power source he sought and achieved.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit telling me how you are going to prove it. Just prove it. Again,Thanos is always the first to achieve these powerups and then he moves on to something greater. Before his death he wasnt motivated by amping himself as he had in the past ,but Doom is still out there because he wants to achieve what Thanos has achieved. I cant blame him. He has to go down that road on his own. Thanos has already been there. Its really humorous for you to tell me to wait and see how Doom handles the ig. Thanos was the first to gain the ig and he isnt out there to reacquire it. But you just keep waiting. Thats the only thing you can say is wait and see what Doom has in store for us because currently this is all Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lets ignore the fact that the Beyonder had Doom literally broken on panel and came to examine his body and thats when Doom struck. He benefited from unique circumstances with death seemingly absent fromt his battlefield. Yippee for Doom. He later had this power TAKEN from him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The whole heart vs. Beyonder thread is another debate in and of itself. If youd like to go that route bump the thread. Dont put up links. Bump it if you wish.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Imo, Beyonder was more impressive if we detail out all the facts,
but nevertheless,
since Thanos became the Supreme Being below the true OAA.

The battle is a stalemate,

God vs God = stalemate.

Originally posted by Quanchi112
Again,I have given you my opinion on this and it seems mr master has beaten you. Thats between the two of you. K. You seem to have a strong love for Doom which is understandable,but his argument is one in which seems to be the correct one imo.

Originally posted by Quanchi112
Doom hasnt humbled Galactus under his own power so please,quit bringing it up. Thanos has saved Galactus and this whole reality from the hunger an interdimensional parasite Galactus himself unleashed. Keep at it you wont win. You begrudgingly gave this to Thanos. Sorry,but you agree with me on the outcome and disagree that its a stomp in Thanos favor. Doom also lost Beyonder's power while Thanos has never proven unable to handle a power source. Doom hasnt killed his nemesis but Thanos has. Thanos' personal nemesis is someone who usually leads the universe in times of crisis while Reed Richards is just a roleplayer. Just letting you in. When has Warlock ever taken a backseat in a story with Reed Richards in it?

Originally posted by Quanchi112
Its funny you call me an ignorant fanboy when you yourself are arguing for Doom here simply because you are a fanboy. I mean you agree Thanos takes this,but since you love him so feel it necessary to continue with me even when you know he isnt Thanos or up to his standards.

Thanos wins as you agree,but its a stomp friend.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What the hell are you babbling about? Thanos and Doom play on two different fields entirely. Everytime Doom has embarked on the cosmic scale, he's done arguably better. So what else do we have other than direct comparisons? They have both tried to unlock the secrets of the Power Cosmic and strip, harness and imbue it. Thanos tried and failed. He had to have Galactus hooked up to a machine. Doom needed no such thing as he threw together a machine capable of directly stripping it from Heralds and even Galactus himself. It's not the end-all-be-all of this debate, but it's absolutely applicable in showing you that Thanos is not the absolute greatest in everything, nor does he even really dominate Doom in all areas.
Yeah, and all those scans illustrate exactly what I said. Thanos could only resort to sticking cables into Galactus and couldn't separate the Power Cosmic from either him or his Heralds ever since he first started trying in Annihilation: Silver Surfer. Weeks and weeks of study and that was the best he could do in Annihilation #3. Annihilus' betrayal occurred in Annihilation #4. Thanos' discovery of Annilus' betrayal had nothing to do with Thanos' continued failure.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Fights/DoomPowerCosmic0157.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Fights/DoomPowerCosmic0257.jpg

Thanos also had no idea he was being spied on by Magus. And yet, Magus had no idea he was being spied on by Dr. Doom. See how your simplistic logic fails when you add nuance?
You merely assume Thanos was the best job. Fact is, Thanos was the most likely to fall into the trap that TOAA set, as stated by Thanos himself:

http://img1.putfile.com/main/3/6315491037.jpg

Ok,Thanos discovered what the power cosmic was and why it was different with each user. He was still about his business until he found out through Moondragon Annihilus' secret intentions. He never said he would never be able to achieve this,did he? You made it sound like Thanos admitted that he could never achieve this and that no amount of time could help him. Thats the spin you put on it.

Doom was an unknown player in infinity war. Thats how insignificant he was in the grand scheme of things. Doom used that to his advantage. He still failed miserably and was also being aided by Kang. Who did Magus create a doppleganger to be his right hand man? Was it Doom or was it Thanos? Ah,its ok you cant win this. You like Doom a lot and dont want to admit how much better Thanos is with prep than Doom is. I got that part.

I do believe Thanos was the best man for the job. The only other character I can see achieving this is Warlock not Doom. Being tricked by the TOAA is nothing to be ashamed of by the way. Thanos healed the universe and fixed the flaw. At the same time he continued to exist with a few life-assuring wishes being fulfilled at the same time.

Doom tricked the Surfer and took his power cosmic. He took advantage of his naivete. Not that impressive imo.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm not clinging to anything. Thanos has always lost infinite power. So has Doom. So why do you continually detract from Doom? Thanos was so foolish with his own power, knew he was so acutely unworthy of it, that he's allowed Nebula to strip him of it.
Read Fantastic Four #319 if you have access. I don't currently. I just moved and my laptop's wireless card can't get past 1 kbs. I can't download it. Doom, the Cube Beings and Molecule Man have a conversation. Doom insists that he poses no danger since he couldn't control Beyonder's power. Beyonder looks into Doom's heart and sees that this was true, but Molecule Man interposes stating that should Doom regain it, he would control it. The Cube Beings agree and Doom reluctantly admits he was counting on that as well. Thus, Doom is foiled. You don't have to believe me, but I'm pretty sure that's the issue # and that was the conversation. I'll prove it when I get access to the comic.
... by Beyonder.
I don't need to, the opinions are quite clear. Mr. Master even agrees that Beyonder is either equal to or more powerful than THOTU:
Ha ha. And on that topic...
You can't even explain in your own words what Mr Master's position is in three sentences or less. Please. I've only been pointing out where you've underestimated Doom. You continue to equivocate, hide behind other people, blind yourself to the obvious, use double-standards and self-serving logic just to preserve your ultimate vision of Thanos as the greatest character ever. Don't project your own intentions onto me. I participate in threads for specific reasons. Just because I can back up what I say, expose your self-serving logic and counter you on every single new avenue you want to open doesn't mean that I do this for some homoerotic love for a comic book character. Either way, you've been accused of a lot worse.
Thanos has neither humbled, nor saved Galactus under his own power, IIRC. He didn't even obtain most of the Infinity Gems under his own power. Your double-standards are nauseating.
I'm pointing out your double-standards. This has never been about Doom > Thanos. That question was answered several pages ago. You just won't stop and because you couldn't stomach the possibility that Thanos isn't as superior to Doom as you had supposed because of your ignorance, you ended up raising, dropping and then avoiding points, using double-standards and citing completely debunked myths. In prep, nobody stomps Doom. Mephisto, Marvel Earth, Galactus and Beyonder know that. And Doom didn't need an Infinity Well, augmentation from Death, gifts from TOAA or Tenebrous and Aegis to do his thing. Nuff said.

Ok,but hasnt the Beyonder been retconned making him nowhere near as powerful as the heart. Regardless of who you feel is more powerful it doesnt matter because one has been retconned an done hasnt. 😉

Do you want me to explain his position to you? Would you like me to join that debate as well?

Now you go on a long rant to supposedly show off your internet muscles. Really,you are making this personal. I am only giving you my opinion and you actually insult me by saying I have a homoerotic love for Thanos. 😂

Uhm Thanos set in motion events to take out the Hunger saving himself,Galactus,and possibly all of 616 reality. You post laughable scans where he convinces the Surfer to stare at something which puts him in a trance to put his machines over him to rob him of his power cosmic. Wow,great job Victor. That aint happening with Doom. Nope he outprepped and beat Grandmaster at his own game. He made Mephisto look like a fool lusting after that cosmic cube. Hell,Meph was his own personal lackey in ig. Should I post a scan of Doom getting his hands on the prize for him only to have Thanos set him ablaze. He failed miserably and the things both have set out for such as the heart's power and the ig. Thanos ended up with both.

I hope Doom acquires the ig in the future as it would make for an interesting story and then maybe we could revisit this debate. As it stands, Thanos stomps him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I hope Doom acquires the ig in the future as it would make for an interesting story and then maybe we could revisit this debate.

http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=10552

It's a What If though (you properly have heard of this already though)

Thanos is everything Doom is +1. Doom is great but Thanos is just an inch above him. Why don't these two team up to take over the MU?

Originally posted by -K-M-
http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=10552

It's a What If though (you properly have heard of this already though)

Originally posted by quanchi112
I actually havent. Sounds interesting. If you know where I could get this please pm me. How you been? You dont post as often as you used to. Why?

It won't be out till December 31, so we got a long wait before it comes out.

Things are good, mostly busy as I moved across Canada for school so I'm still kind of getting settled with that

Originally posted by -K-M-
It won't be out till December 31, so we got a long wait before it comes out.

Things are good, mostly busy as I moved across Canada for school so I'm still kind of getting settled with that

Thanos should school him on how to properly use the gauntlet.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Thanos should school him on how to properly use the gauntlet.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So,you are still clinging to the power cosmic thing. Cant you get over this? But I really fail to see how awesome this feat is? Thanos abandoned this the moment he found out Annihilus' true intentions. Once he found out he was set to free Galactus. Enter Drax. Ok,during the infinity war Doom was close but no cigar. Thanos ending up being a major player along with Warlock and a host of others in defeating the Magus while Doom had been taken out of the picture long ago.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok,Thanos discovered what the power cosmic was and why it was different with each user. He was still about his business until he found out through Moondragon Annihilus' secret intentions. He never said he would never be able to achieve this,did he? You made it sound like Thanos admitted that he could never achieve this and that no amount of time could help him. Thats the spin you put on it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Doom was an unknown player in infinity war. Thats how insignificant he was in the grand scheme of things. Doom used that to his advantage. He still failed miserably and was also being aided by Kang. Who did Magus create a doppleganger to be his right hand man? Was it Doom or was it Thanos? Ah,its ok you cant win this. You like Doom a lot and dont want to admit how much better Thanos is with prep than Doom is. I got that part.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I do believe Thanos was the best man for the job. The only other character I can see achieving this is Warlock not Doom. Being tricked by the TOAA is nothing to be ashamed of by the way. Thanos healed the universe and fixed the flaw. At the same time he continued to exist with a few life-assuring wishes being fulfilled at the same time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Doom tricked the Surfer and took his power cosmic. He took advantage of his naivete. Not that impressive imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I know for the sake of the story and comic books in general that the bad guy has to lose at some point in this story. The bad guy cant rule the universe forever. Its just the manner in which both have lost it sends me a message. Thanos never lost control of his power because of an inability to hold or wield it. Doom has. Thanos' subconscious betrayed him both in the cosmic cube story and in the ig. In marvel's the end there was no way out. The universe needed saving and Thanos had to save it. He didnt relinquish the power,but instead did what needed to be done.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok,but hasnt the Beyonder been retconned making him nowhere near as powerful as the heart. Regardless of who you feel is more powerful it doesnt matter because one has been retconned an done hasnt. 😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you want me to explain his position to you? Would you like me to join that debate as well?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Now you go on a long rant to supposedly show off your internet muscles. Really,you are making this personal. I am only giving you my opinion and you actually insult me by saying I have a homoerotic love for Thanos. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm Thanos set in motion events to take out the Hunger saving himself,Galactus,and possibly all of 616 reality. You post laughable scans where he convinces the Surfer to stare at something which puts him in a trance to put his machines over him to rob him of his power cosmic. Wow,great job Victor. That aint happening with Doom. Nope he outprepped and beat Grandmaster at his own game. He made Mephisto look like a fool lusting after that cosmic cube. Hell,Meph was his own personal lackey in ig. Should I post a scan of Doom getting his hands on the prize for him only to have Thanos set him ablaze. He failed miserably and the things both have set out for such as the heart's power and the ig. Thanos ended up with both.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I hope Doom acquires the ig in the future as it would make for an interesting story and then maybe we could revisit this debate. As it stands, Thanos stomps him.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Thanos is everything Doom is +1. Doom is great but Thanos is just an inch above him. Why don't these two team up to take over the MU?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Someone ban this stupid sock. Are you even kidding me? Reported.

And what is wrong with what I said? I gave my opinion on both of them admitting both was great but Thanos is slightly better and I asked why doesn't Marvel write a team up with them. Don't see how any of that is causing trouble.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Doom figured it out. Thanos didn't. You posted the scans yourself, Galactus Gun was the best he could do after weeks and weeks of failure. Doom figured it out in days. Since the two haven't fought outside Infinity Gauntlet, I pointed out on area Doom is clearly superior. You want to avoid the fact that Doom could do it with his own science and Latverian resources and less time, go right ahead.
Weeks. Of. Failure. With. Virtually. Unlimited. Resources. That = phail. You assume he could have cracked the secrets, but of course we know you would despite a complete lack of evidence.
Doom came closer to defeating Magus than Thanos did. And Akhenaten considered Doom to be one of his greatest threats and specifically prepped for Doom. Did Akhenaten do a single thing about Thanos? No. Does that make Thanos utterly insignificant? Are you going to take that magnifying glass and now turn it onto Thanos and consider him a minor player? Lemme give other people a hint. Un-friggin-likely. Double-standards suck.
He got served by TOAA and felt like a fool. He was the best man because TOAA knew he'd fall into the trap completely and utterly. You want to give him props for being the biggest patsy in Marvel history, go ahead.
What are you talking about? He distracted him and stripped him of his power straight up with his device. Oh, and of course, how the hell is this any different than when Thanos took advantage of Champion's ignorance or Collector's ignorance of their Infinity Gems? Oh... that's right. There is no difference! And yet, Thanos gets props and Doom gets no credit. Another double-standard. Good job.

Doom didnt defeat the Magus. Thanos and company did. Doom failed like he usually does in an epic cosmic storyline with the bigboys. Akhentan prepped for Doom but not Thanos. Magus prepped for Thanos not Doom. Thanos' won in the end in both of these stories. Its all right there. No matter what excuses and how close Doom has been he doesnt quite cut it. Thanos does. This is all rather simple to me.

Again,the TOAA fooling you isnt a shameful thing by any means. Quit acting like it is. Regardless of who received the power they had to fix the flaws or else they would themselves would have perished.

Thanos took the Champion out in combat and cleverly fooled him into destroying the entire planet. Doom just said here you go and then slapped some equipment on and took it. Not that impressive. If Thanos' greatest prep feats were the Champion or the Collector feat youd have something,but you are obviously leaving out other moments of Thanos quest.

No double standard here it just seems another of Doom's masterful moments was due to deception over a naive Surfer.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thanos' own knowledge that he was unworthy of such power IS EXACTLY an inability to hold infinite power. Stop mincing words. Thanos has an inability to hold onto infinite power. He had to get Adam Warlock to friggin explain it to him.
Where did this argument come from? Secret Wars II may have been retconned, but not Secret Wars. THOTU is about the least proud feat Thanos should ever boast. He was utterly ashamed of how easily he fell for TOAA's trap.
Hell yes. Bring it.
Read my post again. You insinuated I loved Doom and that was why I posted so much about him. I dispelled that idea and pointed out you were projecting your own motivations onto me. I post to point out your flawed argument and educate you on Doom.
Trance? He showed him an image which distracted Surfer. Doom has other feats of stealing greater power, i.e. Aron the Rogue Watcher, Galactus twice, Beyonder. And another double-standard... Thanos gained the most powerful Infinity Gem by letting Champion strand himself on a planet. Which is utterly stupid. Why didn't Thanos just blow up the planet himself? Taking advantage of naivete or ignorance utterly strips credibility from a feat? Guess you should subtract gaining the Infinity Gauntlet from Thanos then. Thanos pulled the ole switcheroo on Mephisto. Wow. So impressive! Pheer the fine print!
Hell lot more impressive then Thanos losing it to Nebula because he knew he wasn't worthy of it. Doom would have no such qualms. As it stands, you're utterly wrong.

The heart is much greater than the beyonder from secret wars 2. So he had to handle more power than Doom couldnt in secret wars 1. A lot more power. Thats the point.

Ask me whatever question you want answered and Ill answer it.

Clearly you enjoy Doom. If you want to deny the obvious thats on you.

Yes,he distracted the Surfer and wasnt aggressive towards him at all. This is one of Doom's greatest moments also when he took the power cosmic. Had the Surfer been there to combat him he would have smoked Doom. Good thing the Surfer was naive. Beyonder,etc. all are powers that pale in comparison to the ig or the heart. He couldnt even hold onto or control the beyonder's power. And yet you want to compare him to Thanos. Unbelievable.

Doom more than likely would have lost it before Nebula could take it due to not being able to control it. If he cant handle the beyonder's power he isnt going to be able to handle the ig in all likelihood. Theres a reason he is getting in a what-if friend.

Thanos stomps.