Revan, Kreia, and Malak vs Any Two

Originally posted by Gideon
Eh? Well, obviously Sidious is more evil. But why was he the greater threat to the Force?

I thought that Nilhius was a threat to the force itself, in addition to all life in the galaxy. The Jedi council wants to stop the Exile b/c it 'shows the death of the Force'. Traya wants to use the Exile to bring about aforementioned death. The Exile and Nilhius both were 'wounds in the force' which is why the Sith Lord was unable to drain the exile.

To the best of my knowledge, Palpatine never put the Force itself in danger, and only wanted to rule the galaxy, not eat it.

You people are beginning to turn me emo, one post at a time.

Throughout the years I've been here, I've posted billions upon billions of times why Palpatine is the "imbalance" in the Force, the guy who blunted Jedi sensitivity singlehandedly, why his identified as the dark side itself, yadda yadda, the Chosen One was born to stop him, not Nihilus, yadda yadda, he wants to apoethesize himself, yadda yadda, he wants to consume the entire universe into his consciousness, yadda yadda...

And you manage to somehow bypass it all? 😠

he wants to apoethesize himself, yadda yadda, he wants to consume the entire universe into his consciousness, yadda yadda

Yes, but I've already asked you about that. You still haven't told me where it's said, if its your interuptation, or what. 😛

Not to say that I don't believe you, only that I've only seen you say it, and never read a quote mentioning anything like it. Evidence would be sweet. 😉

Originally posted by Gideon
You people are beginning to turn me emo, one post at a time.

Throughout the years I've been here, I've posted billions upon billions of times why Palpatine is the "imbalance" in the Force, the guy who blunted Jedi sensitivity singlehandedly, why his identified as the dark side itself, yadda yadda, the Chosen One was born to stop him, not Nihilus, yadda yadda, he wants to apoethesize himself, yadda yadda, he wants to consume the entire universe into his consciousness, yadda yadda...

And you manage to somehow bypass it all? 😠

Palpatine was definately the darker presence. As you've said/posted ad infinitum, it took the Chosen One to defeat him. His threat, however, was in the form of domination, rather than destruction. He wanted to control the entire galaxy (I don't have a quote about the consume the entire universe thing), but that would leave the galaxy/universe intact to rule over. Nihlius would just destroy everything. Sorry if I didn't understand Palpatine's goals, but I always thought he wanted dominion, not destruction, of other life.

Originally posted by Jbill311
Palpatine was definately the darker presence. As you've said/posted ad infinitum, it took the Chosen One to defeat him. His threat, however, was in the form of domination, rather than destruction. He wanted to control the entire galaxy (I don't have a quote about the consume the entire universe thing), but that would leave the galaxy/universe intact to rule over. Nihlius would just destroy everything. Sorry if I didn't understand Palpatine's goals, but I always thought he wanted dominion, not destruction, of other life.

That's just it. In Palpatine's mind, absorbing the universe into his consciousness is the ultimate form of domination.

Lol at Ivalice. Dude, you've already conceided the point against me, your not allowed to argue it again. It's not quite cricket wot, wot dastard and so forth.

Originally posted by Enyalus

Yeah, it pretty much is. How does one decide who would win in a contest of two combatants? They debate each person's skills, techniques, cunning, etc - see how they compare, and then arrive and what we hope will be a sound conclusion. Revan's skills and techniques aren't known. All we have is speculation.

I could pit Revan vs. Bergruutfa Clan (a group of Jedi younglings), say the team wins, and you wouldn't - logically - be able to refute it.
I wouldn't do that. No worries ; )[/B]

Your points are valid Enyalus and I apologize for not stating specific feats for Revan. I did not want to state what has already been stated so many times on these threads concerning Revan. There are statements and feats to let us know that Revan was indeed a powerful Sith Lord.

Originally posted by Enyalus

Not true. I'm a fan of any great strategist. From Revan to Thrawn to Shedao to Pellaeon. And based on his philosophies, especially as Darth Revan - he seems very cool. But I'm not going to freely call him one of the greatest Sith Lords ever, because there isn't any evidence to suggest it.[/B]

Ok, I apologize.

Originally posted by Enyalus

Based on what? [/B]

Here is a quote from AC Styles that explains why Revan can be included in the list.

"quote:
- Kreia saying it was as if looking into the heart of the force

- Jolee literally seeing the force swirl around him

- Ajunta Pal said Revans power was "blinding" to him, and that he bristled with the force.

- He being called a prodigy by Vandar at the end of KOTOR, and a prodigy as a knight before the mind wipe

- Having the most complete knowledge of the Dark Side of the force that is second only too Palpatine that we know of

- Had the most advanced, highly developed form of Battle Precognition that allowed him to see the outcome of battles months into the future. (Anther thing that puts him above Darth Caedus whose only precognition failed him and lured him into the clutches of Lumiya)

- Having his name be synonymous with power

- Bastila was literally feeling overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of his power

- His force mastery that surpasses Caedus whom himself surpassed Vader in terms of force power, who is you know 80% of Darth f*cking Sidious

- Him ripping through the Star Forges defense that were called a match for any Jedi, then beating Bastilla multiple times while she was being constantly revived and amped up by the Star Forge, THEN proceeding to beat Malak at least 2 times in a row while he was empowered by the Star Forge and revived by the life force of dead Jedi.

- Surviving and not being broken by the Dark Side power of Malachor (a PLANET full of raw Dark Side energy, which Kreia was broken by)

- His force bonding ability that he used en mass on his followers according to Kreia

- During his start as Dark Lord the chronicles say his dark power was "tremendous" and only continued to grow, then in KOTOR he's stated as being stronger then he EVER was as the Dark Lord.

- Revan using force storms to slaughter Rataka scouting parties on Lehon

- He slaughters the Sith Academy by himself (showed in KOTOR1, confirmed by Kreia in KOTOR 2)

- His holocron alone was enough in itself to turn Bane from a neophyte to a very dangerous, very powerful Dark Lord

- Sion, the mans whos pull on the force is so strong it holds his dead body together through sheer hate, admits to being his inferiority to Revan, he even goes as far as to give him the honorific "Lord" when he speaks of him, something he DOESN'T do for his current master or any of his peers"

There was more to his quote but I believe what is stated above is enough. Also I will add this feat: Revan could not understand the Rakatan language, he was able to use a Force technique to rip it from their minds, driving Basic into their skulls in turn through a unique force power.

Revan after he defeated Malak could have took over the Sith or Jedi and rule the Republic if he had chose to stay. In a sense Revan could have done what Sidious did years later. I do not know what other Sith or Jedi you can say had that choice and chose not to take it.

That is what I base my selection of Revan on.

Well Kreia and Nihilus lol, all though gameplay wise if u look at KOTOR 2 then Kreia and Vrook.

Ooh, I like your points, KOTOR3. I have three questions conerning them:

Having the most complete knowledge of the Dark Side of the force that is second only too Palpatine that we know of

Since he wrote his books and made a holocron, shouldn't someone assume that if one masters the knowledge in his holocron and books, they would have the same level of knowledge Revan had prior to his departing for the Unknown Regions?

His force mastery that surpasses Caedus whom himself surpassed Vader in terms of force power, who is you know 80% of Darth f*cking Sidious

Erm...how do we know his Force Mastery surpassed that of Darth Caedus? Is it stated somewhere?

ere is a quote from AC Styles that explains why Revan can be included in the list.

Pardon my ignorance here - the name isn't familiar - who is AC Styles? lol

Originally posted by Enyalus
Ooh, I like your points, KOTOR3. I have three questions conerning them:

[QUOTE=11035420]Originally posted by Enyalus
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Having the most complete knowledge of the Dark Side of the force that is second only too Palpatine that we know of

Since he wrote his books and made a holocron, shouldn't someone assume that if one masters the knowledge in his holocron and books, they would have the same level of knowledge Revan had prior to his departing for the Unknown Regions?

That is assuming that Revan included all of his knowledge in the holocron. Also we know that Bane did not attempt to learn or execute all of the techniques he found in Revan's holocron.

Originally posted by Enyalus

His force mastery that surpasses Caedus whom himself surpassed Vader in terms of force power, who is you know 80% of Darth f*cking Sidious

Erm...how do we know his Force Mastery surpassed that of Darth Caedus? Is it stated somewhere?

Not that I am aware of. Neither is it stated for Exar Kun, Bane, etc. This conclusion I believe is draw from what knowledge we know that Revan acquired or had access to in comparison to what Caedus had access to. If you need more specifics then let me know and I will try to get them for you. I believe you already know what Revan had access to, in order to gain his knowledge of the dark side.

I have a question for you, do you believe Caedus mastery of the force was greater than Bane? If not then it would make sense that Revan's would be greater.

Originally posted by Enyalus

ere is a quote from AC Styles that explains why Revan can be included in the list.

Pardon my ignorance here - the name isn't familiar - who is AC Styles? lol

No problem I should have been more specific. He is a member like you and me who brought up some good points concerning Revan is one on my previous threads.

Originally posted by Kotor3
[B]That is assuming that Revan included all of his knowledge in the holocron. Also we know that Bane did not attempt to learn or execute all of the techniques he found in Revan's holocron.

Not that I am aware of. Neither is it stated for Exar Kun, Bane, etc. This conclusion I believe is draw from what knowledge we know that Revan acquired or had access to in comparison to what Caedus had access to.

If you need more specifics then let me know and I will try to get them for you. I believe you already know what Revan had access to, in order to gain his knowledge of the dark side.

I have a question for you, do you believe Caedus mastery of the force was greater than Bane? If not then it would make sense that Revan's would be greater.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Uh he would be able to defeat malak and hold up for a while, considering that TFU just showed how powerful he really is as a combatant thanks to kota and marek.

His defeat at the hands of marek only showed how much stronger he really is.

I did the quote thingys right yay.

Originally posted by DarkSerpent
The only reason he didn't attempt to use these or learn them is that he thought they were too powerful and terrible to be used.

Revan had acces to far more than Ceadus ever did. so much had been lost by that time that many Sith Teachings common during the Old Sith Wars were all but exctinct by Ceadus' time No, we don't need them.

Look one thing is that Ceadus got a watered down version of Sith teachings, Lumiya knew only what Vader taught her( which was FAAAAAAR inferior to what the Emperor knew) and didn't get to teach it all to him. Verdere... As far as Jedi teachings go, 0.1% of what the PT order knew or put to use about the force was gone. That particular order focused way more on saber combat than the force.

You do realize that my statements are in agreement. This should be forwarded to Enyalus.

Originally posted by Kotor3
You do realize that my statements are in agreement. This should be forwarded to Enyalus.

I have another duo, Yoda and DN Luke. Can they win?

Yoda just dies...

Originally posted by Kotor3
I have a question for you, do you believe Caedus mastery of the force was greater than Bane? If not then it would make sense that Revan's would be greater.

I know how to do a reverse spinning hook kick. Doesn't mean I can with any real efficiency. Jacen has far more time to study the Force, and his range of sources was arguably second only to Palpatine and the oldest Jedi Masters, such as Yoda or Odan-Urr. Revan studied almost exclusively from dark side worlds.

Originally posted by Faunus
Apparently, you don't distinguish between "knowledge" and "mastery."

I know how to do a reverse spinning hook kick. Doesn't mean I can with any real efficiency. Jacen has far more time to study the Force, and his range of sources was arguably second only to Palpatine and the oldest Jedi Masters, such as Yoda or Odan-Urr. Revan studied almost exclusively from dark side worlds.

So it is by this that I make my statement that Revan held a far greater knowledge of the dark-side and definitely a deeper understanding of the Sith and there teaching.

Originally posted by Faunus
Apparently, you don't distinguish between "knowledge" and "mastery."

I know how to do a reverse spinning hook kick. Doesn't mean I can with any real efficiency. Jacen has far more time to study the Force, and his range of sources was arguably second only to Palpatine and the oldest Jedi Masters, such as Yoda or Odan-Urr. Revan studied almost exclusively from dark side worlds.

Here we go with another statement by Faunus:
"Apparently, you don't distinguish between "knowledge" and "mastery."

Obviously you are not clear on the point I am trying to make to post such a statement. So I will not be confused and respond incorrectly please tell me what point you are making because I really do not know?