2Pac vs. Biggie

Originally posted by chithappens
I have been listening to Lil Wayne since that era when No Limit and Cash Money Records were on the scene (so basically New Orleans was the Southern base of hip hop in the late 90s). For whatever reason, Wayne's fans don't remember this.

I can't find a link (frankly, it's not important enough to my life but if you take five minutes you should find it) but basically his had left a gun out and he didn't know what he was doing and shot himself. Wayne's dad got charged for some sort of negligence for not having the gun put away.

Lil Wayne was signed to Cash Money at the age of 14 but he always talks about selling dope while also mentioning that Mannie Fresh and Baby always took care of him... hardly anything rappers say is true but that's the role they have to play to keep the money coming.

lol, i looked it up on Wiki after you mentioned it, so weak

and, its not even the black community that supports the thug life rap image. In a lot of ways, its well to do white people who like this image of blacks, and are so far removed from actual poverty that the ghetto becomes a cool image thing. I'm probably off on this, but I've heard some music people talk about it before. Man, like rap is so bad ass sometimes, there is just so much terrible shit made.

Slick Rick rocks

Originally posted by chithappens
Why is Soulja Boy next to Eminem?

Normally, Soulja Boy sucks. However, I don't like how much hate he is receiving. He is 17 years old and rich. People should respect him.

But yes, his music is terrible. But the Travis Barker remix of Crank Dat is absolutely epic at parties.

Originally posted by inimalist
a broken clock is right twice a day 😉

lol, it can't be the first time...

LOL didnt think we would have the same taste in rap music. Everybody keeps going on about 2pac I don't see what the big deal is. I agree Rakim is a good rapper as well. My favourite rapper though is GZA from Wu Tang, much better than 2pac and doesnt get as much props.

Originally posted by xxxJacob
Rakim and Immortal Technique might be the best lyricist, but I actually prefer rap with a musical tone to it.

Like:

2Pac - Ghetto Gospel ft. Elton John
50 Cent - Hate it or Love it ft. The Game
Eminem - Cleanin' Out My Closet
Soulja Boy - Crank Dat (Travis Barker remix) ft. Travis Barker

I'm really not a Tupac fan, nor 50 cent (though some Game tracks I like). I really only like Eminem from Slim Shady LP and Infinite, some Marshal Mathers stuff, but his stuff has gone to pop for me. I don't know who Soulja boy is, is he new? I don't listen to rap anymore really.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
LOL didnt think we would have the same taste in rap music. Everybody keeps going on about 2pac I don't see what the big deal is. I agree Rakim is a good rapper as well. My favourite rapper though is GZA from Wu Tang, much better than 2pac and doesnt get as much props.

lol, I'm not really that into rap, I just totally agree with you, Tupac sucks. I think he is really overrated, especially that he is compared to biggie.

Wu Tang is phenomenal, I love Method Man

Originally posted by xxxJacob
He is 17 years old and rich. People should respect him.

For what?

Originally posted by inimalist
I'm really not a Tupac fan, nor 50 cent (though some Game tracks I like). I really only like Eminem from Slim Shady LP and Infinite, some Marshal Mathers stuff, but his stuff has gone to pop for me. I don't know who Soulja boy is, is he new? I don't listen to rap anymore really.

Ehm... Soulja Boy is the rapper behind "Crank Dat". He became very popular in 2007, but many blames him for killing hip-hop with his unintelligent lyrics. Yeah, he isn't the best rapper, but the Travis Barker remix of Crank Dat rocks... Literally.

I don't really like the Infinite album form Eminem. The lyrical quality was good, however, the only track that was well-produced was "Infinite". It's great listening to it in the morning. I don't remember from which album the Eminem songs came, as they got similiar names, but I know Eminem made many good songs, such as Cleanin' Out My Closet, Stan, Mockingbird, The Way I Am, When I'm Gone, etc.

Yeah, The Game rules. Have you heard his two new singles? My Life and Dope Boyz. There was more, but these two are truely epic. However, the Lil Wayne chorus in My Life is just too cheesy...

As for 50 Cent, I understand you don't like him. But even through he lacks lyrics, his past and voice is just hardcore, as well as his productions. He also made "Power of the Dollar", one of my favourite raps ever.

Originally posted by chithappens
For what?

At an age of 17, he has made more money than many of us will make in our lifetime?

Originally posted by inimalist
lol, i looked it up on Wiki after you mentioned it, so weak

and, its not even the black community that supports the thug life rap image. In a lot of ways, its well to do white people who like this image of blacks, and are so far removed from actual poverty that the ghetto becomes a cool image thing. I'm probably off on this, but I've heard some music people talk about it before. Man, like rap is so bad ass sometimes, there is just so much terrible shit made.

Slick Rick rocks

I'm a public state university and white people bump some of the craziest hip hop out there while looking at me crazy. Black people are just as bad about talking about how hard is to be black on Facebook. THEY ARE ON FREAKING FACEBOOK TALKING ABOUT HOW HARD IT IS TO BE BLACK! Sigh, sorry. Just pisses me off.

The whole thing with image is odd cause most black people assume all white people are at least "well off." Poor whites just do not exist in mainstream media so they think that's how it works.

And yes, Slick Rick is bad ass. Tupac just scares people into liking him. Don't get me wrong, Tupac is a cool lyrcist but there are better. My favorite Biggie song is "Suicidal Thoughts."

First part of "Suicidal Thoughts":

"When I die, **** it I wanna go to hell
Cause I'm a piece of shit, it ain't hard to ****in' tell
It don't make sense, goin' to heaven wit the goodie-goodies
Dressed in white, I like black Tims and black hoodies
God will probably have me on some real strict shit
No sleepin' all day, no gettin my dick licked
Hangin' with the goodie-goodies loungin' in paradise
**** that shit, I wanna tote guns and shoot dice"

Originally posted by xxxJacob
At an age of 17, he has made more money than many of us will make in our lifetime?

What the hell does that have to do with respect? I can pull some gimmick shit like that and become rich.

I respect people for how they live life, not for what they own.

Biggie is a godly lyricist, indeed. He was maybe a better lyricist than 2Pac, but 2Pac had more musical understanding.

Originally posted by chithappens
What the hell does that have to do with respect? I can pull some gimmick shit like that and become rich.

I respect people for how they live life, not for what they own.

He lives for money, he earns money. Not even 25% through his life, and Souljah Boy reached his goal.

Originally posted by xxxJacob
Ehm... Soulja Boy is the rapper behind "Crank Dat". He became very popular in 2007, but many blames him for killing hip-hop with his unintelligent lyrics. Yeah, he isn't the best rapper, but the Travis Barker remix of Crank Dat rocks... Literally.

I don't really like the Infinite album form Eminem. The lyrical quality was good, however, the only track that was well-produced was "Infinite". It's great listening to it in the morning. I don't remember from which album the Eminem songs came, as they got similiar names, but I know Eminem made many good songs, such as Cleanin' Out My Closet, Stan, Mockingbird, The Way I Am, When I'm Gone, etc.

Yeah, The Game rules. Have you heard his two new singles? My Life and Dope Boyz. There was more, but these two are truely epic. However, the Lil Wayne chorus in My Life is just too cheesy...

As for 50 Cent, I understand you don't like him. But even through he lacks lyrics, his past and voice is just hardcore, as well as his productions. He also made "Power of the Dollar", one of my favourite raps ever.

Soulja Boy would be fine with me if he was just making dance songs, but "Crank Dat" is about cumming on a girl's back while she is sleep and putting the sheets on her back so it sticks when she wakes up...

Eminem is crazy underrated but he goes over people's head a lot.

The Game is decent and he is the only one on the West Coast doing anything right now so big up to him.

What about 50 Cent's past is hardcore? The getting shot thing? I'm sure you have seen pictures of him with his shirt off - show me a bullet wound...

Originally posted by xxxJacob
He lives for money, he earns money. Not even 25% through his life, and Souljah Boy reached his goal.

What is to be respected about that? It's money. Monkeys can earn money.

And he is a rich black man in the 21st century so he is about 55% through with his life.

Originally posted by xxxJacob
Possibly the most emotional and dramatic beef in hip-hop history.

Who of them do you side with, and why?

Personally, I side with 2Pac. He was the wiser of the two, and not only was it Biggie that searched conflict, he lied about 2Pac.

But respect to both of them.

R.I.P., Titans of Hip-Hop

Pac lied about Big too. War involves deception.

But that's a damn good question.

2Pac was the Elvis of Rap and Biggie was the (early) Mike Tyson of rap. Like you said they both were Titans.

They were both sick, lyrically. Both carried dope beats. Both were young and had bright futures ahead of them individually, they influenced he game more than any other single rapper there ever was. Theirs was definitely the greatest hip-hop rivalry in rap history. Biggie was more about the ladies and Pac was more about his boys and enemies. Pac was revolutionary while big was the more capitalist of the two.

They were both masters. They were the perfect rappers, overall. (fcuk 50c)

But I can't decide. I never have and i don't think i ever will. I've tried picking but i always find something that Pac's better than Biggie at and vise versa.

Every once in a while i always wonder what would the game be like if they were still alive right now. Would there've ever been a 50c., a JaRule, a Nelly or crunk music or maybe even an Eminem? Dunno. I know we'll never find out, though.

I really stopped listening to rap since the time they've passed. But alot of these corny rappers think they got a pass now and think they can do w/e they want and unbeknownst to them all they're doing is watering down the game. Just like Jada Kiss said: "Had Big and Pac still've been alive, most of these rappers out here now would be behind a fast food counter asking if they could take your order." The current state that hip hop's in is unacceptable. Pac would've especially said something about it.

But anyway I'm with both.

Originally posted by chithappens
Soulja Boy would be fine with me if he was just making dance songs, but "Crank Dat" is about cumming on a girl's back while she is sleep and putting the sheets on her back so it sticks when she wakes up...

Eminem is crazy underrated but he goes over people's head a lot.

The Game is decent and he is the only one on the West Coast doing anything right now so big up to him.

What about 50 Cent's past is hardcore? The getting shot thing? I'm sure you have seen pictures of him with his shirt off - show me a bullet wound...

Nope, Crank Dat is just a mere party song. Where did you hear otherwise?

The Game is not decent, he is brilliant.

And 50 Cent just got an all around cool story.

Originally posted by xxxJacob
Nope, Crank Dat is just a mere party song. Where did you hear otherwise?

Superman a Ho (Urban Dictionary)

Originally posted by chithappens
Superman a Ho (Urban Dictionary)

HAHAHA! Soulja Boy just became 10 times as cool in my eyes now! 😄

Originally posted by xxxJacob
Normally, Soulja Boy sucks. However, I don't like how much hate he is receiving. He is 17 years old and rich. People should respect him.

But yes, his music is terrible. But the Travis Barker remix of Crank Dat is absolutely epic at parties.

What a stupid thing to say.

Originally posted by xxxJacob
Ehm... Soulja Boy is the rapper behind "Crank Dat". He became very popular in 2007, but many blames him for killing hip-hop with his unintelligent lyrics. Yeah, he isn't the best rapper, but the Travis Barker remix of Crank Dat rocks... Literally.

ya, never heard it...

and if its unintelligent, I can't imagine liking it

Originally posted by xxxJacob
I don't really like the Infinite album form Eminem. The lyrical quality was good, however, the only track that was well-produced was "Infinite". It's great listening to it in the morning. I don't remember from which album the Eminem songs came, as they got similiar names, but I know Eminem made many good songs, such as Cleanin' Out My Closet, Stan, Mockingbird, The Way I Am, When I'm Gone, etc.

wow, thats unfortunate man, I think Infinite shows his potential, and Slim Shady is just insane. The stuff you are talking about is from Marshal Mathers and later, which is good, just, I don't know, he doesn't need it as bad.

Originally posted by xxxJacob
Yeah, The Game rules. Have you heard his two new singles? My Life and Dope Boyz. There was more, but these two are truely epic. However, the Lil Wayne chorus in My Life is just too cheesy...

no, I haven't heard anything after Doctor's Advocate

Originally posted by xxxJacob
As for 50 Cent, I understand you don't like him. But even through he lacks lyrics, his past and voice is just hardcore, as well as his productions. He also made "Power of the Dollar", one of my favourite raps ever.

its his voice that really makes me dislike it. The image is retarded as well. Its really not hard to sell drugs and get shot. Like really, probably the easiest thing in the world.

And why should we be idolizing people like that anyways? Scientists make modest wages and get almost no public attention, but some black thug who is destroying his own communities for profit and over turf and gets shot because he is some bad ass drug dealer is a millionaire and has posters in the rooms of kids all over the world?

Originally posted by chithappens
I'm a public state university and white people bump some of the craziest hip hop out there while looking at me crazy. Black people are just as bad about talking about how hard is to be black on Facebook. THEY ARE ON FREAKING FACEBOOK TALKING ABOUT HOW HARD IT IS TO BE BLACK! Sigh, sorry. Just pisses me off.

fair enough, not too much of a black community where I'm from, so I really only see the white kids who love the hip hop. And, I'm not going to say anything about how hard it is to be black... lol

Originally posted by chithappens
The whole thing with image is odd cause most black people assume all white people are at least "well off." Poor whites just do not exist in mainstream media so they think that's how it works.

totally man, there are such crazy images that people like. I think its just a comforting thing for people with money to think like that, be they from any racial background. It gives narratives and scapegoats that, i don't know, make people feel more secure in a crazy, unpredictable world. "I'm not like that, it could never happen to me"

Originally posted by chithappens
And yes, Slick Rick is bad ass. Tupac just scares people into liking him. Don't get me wrong, Tupac is a cool lyrcist but there are better. My favorite Biggie song is "Suicidal Thoughts."

First part of "Suicidal Thoughts":

"When I die, **** it I wanna go to hell
Cause I'm a piece of shit, it ain't hard to ****in' tell
It don't make sense, goin' to heaven wit the goodie-goodies
Dressed in white, I like black Tims and black hoodies
God will probably have me on some real strict shit
No sleepin' all day, no gettin my dick licked
Hangin' with the goodie-goodies loungin' in paradise
**** that shit, I wanna tote guns and shoot dice"

****, I hear you man. Such a good track

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Every once in a while i always wonder what would the game be like if they were still alive right now. Would there've ever been a 50c., a JaRule, a Nelly or crunk music or maybe even an Eminem? Dunno. I know we'll never find out, though.

Eminem, probably, I think he holds his own with the best. period.

Though, I bet his stuff would still be cutting edge if he had to compete with BIG and pac