2Pac vs. Biggie

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Neither of them were that great, very overrated.

Get out. Ok so who do you consider to be great?

*Yawm*

Originally posted by Stealth Agent
[B]Tupac was a ghetto prophet, a ghetto poverty. He wasn't fake and spoke the truth. He was a man with flaws like anyone else. But he spoke out on issues no one else would touch. Brenda had a baby, Thugz Mansion, Changes(how nothing will ever change in the ghetto and its a system) . It's all so ****ing real. As real as real is./B]

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Get out. Ok so who do you consider to be great?

Well, I like: All of Wu Tang Clan (particularly Method Man), MF Doom, Pharoahe Monch, Cunninlynguists and J5. There's a lot more I like as well, of course.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Get out. Ok so who do you consider to be great?

*Yawm*

i know right

but yeah i'm a tupac man. Biggie has good shi+ and i give him my artistic respect.

but biggie let his man get setup, at the same time he didn't set him up but he knew about it and didn't say a thing.

Which is why the beef between the two erupted. But biggie never struck back, at-least publicly. I think it's because he knew pac was legitametley right, b/c junior mafia wanted to put out a diss track but biggie said nah.

I don't know why pac was shot it could for one of a thousand things, he knew he was gonna die anyday that year.

But i do know biggie was shot simply because he was on the wrong coast. During the east coast west coast beef.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Well, I like: All of Wu Tang Clan (particularly Method Man),

Wow what I suprise! Everybody likes Wu tang. Thats like saying you like Manchester United. 🙄

Originally posted by chillmeistergen

MF Doom, Pharoahe Monch, Cunninlynguists and J5. There's a lot more I like as well, of course.

Well ok Pharoahe Monch is good but I don't see how Method Man is leagues better than Biggie.

Originally posted by Stealth Agent
i know right

but yeah i'm a tupac man. Biggie has good shi+ and i give him my artistic respect.

but biggie let his man get setup, at the same time he didn't set him up but he knew about it and didn't say a thing.

Which is why the beef between the two erupted. But biggie never struck back, at-least publicly. I think it's because he knew pac was legitametley right, b/c junior mafia wanted to put out a diss track but biggie said nah.

I don't know why pac was shot it could for one of a thousand things, he knew he was gonna die anyday that year.

But i do know biggie was shot simply because he was on the wrong coast. During the east coast west coast beef.

Im sorry I just don't care. I don't think either of them were particulary nice people but I could be wrong.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wow what I suprise! Everybody likes Wu tang. Thats like saying you like Manchester United. 🙄

Well ok Pharoahe Monch is good but I don't see how Method Man is leagues better than Biggie.

Firstly, not everyone does like Wu Tang, I've met many people that don't.

Me saying that Biggie's overrated does not equate to everyone I mentioned being leagues better than him. That isn't what the word means.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wow what I suprise! Everybody likes Wu tang. Thats like saying you like Manchester United. 🙄

Well ok Pharoahe Monch is good but I don't see how Method Man is leagues better than Biggie.

Im sorry I just don't care. I don't think either of them were particulary nice people but I could be wrong.

i weren't saying they were nice, i was saying they were real. Both of them were ****ing murderers, and if they hadn't done it first hand they were atleast involved enough to be responsible.

Tupac knew how to keep a sense of humor despite how harsh shit was.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Firstly, not everyone does like Wu Tang, I've met many people that don't.

They are generally considered to be the best. Anyway maybe my experiences are different hell ive even heard people on the bus making a big deal about them.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen

Me saying that Biggie's overrated does not equate to everyone I mentioned being leagues better than him. That isn't what the word means.

Ok gramps.

Originally posted by Stealth Agent
i weren't saying they were nice, i was saying they were real. Both of them were ****ing murderers, and if they hadn't done it first hand they were atleast involved enough to be responsible.

Yeah I know.

Originally posted by Stealth Agent

Tupac knew how to keep a sense of humor despite how harsh shit was.

*shrug* dont care.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok gramps.

I don't get how you think calling me gramps is some sort of get out of jail free card when you're debating.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I don't get how you think calling me gramps is some sort of get out of jail free card when you're debating.

No you just always sound grumpy. I edited my post.

I don't know how you rate who is the best. I can't tell anyone else what they should like but according to my taste they pretty much are.

I mean biggies "Ten Crack Commandments" anyone who's lived out a ghetto before knows how hard that shit is. Its like a landmark in gangster rap history, and there historical figures.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No you just always sound grumpy. I edited my post.

I can assure you that I'm not always grumpy.

As for hearing people making a big deal about Wu on the bus, so what? Are you actually arguing that Wu Tang are more overrated than Tupac and Biggie?

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I can assure you that I'm not always grumpy.

As for hearing people making a big deal about Wu on the bus, so what?

Yes yes but just in my perosnl experience its been wu tang wu tang!

Originally posted by chillmeistergen

Are you actually arguing that Wu Tang are more overrated than Tupac and Biggie?

Nah im just saying its not a big deal to like Wu tang because thats like saying you support Manchester United IMO. It doesnt neccesarily show good taste in hip hop.

However my point about Meth was that if you think Meth is good how can you really know whos overrated or not? Again Meth seems like an obvious answer and my opinion he was overated for awhile.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes yes but just in my perosnl experience its been wu tang wu tang!

Nah im just saying its not a big deal to like Wu tang because thats like saying you support Manchester United IMO. It doesnt neccesarily show good taste in hip hop.

However my point about Meth was that if you think Meth is good how can you really know whos overrated or not? Again Meth seems like an obvious answer and my opinion he was overated for awhile.

I disagree with Meth being overrated, I think he's been massively consistent and is a real talent. You seem to just really not like that Wu Tang Clan are popular. To say they're overrated though is just silly, in my opinion.

Also, you've only picked one of the artists/groups I've named to critique, how odd.

P.S - supporting Man U to me shows horrible taste in football.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nah im just saying its not a big deal to like Wu tang because thats like saying you support Manchester United IMO. It doesnt neccesarily show good taste in hip hop.

However my point about Meth was that if you think Meth is good how can you really know whos overrated or not? Again Meth seems like an obvious answer and my opinion he was overated for awhile.

would you say similar things about Rza, Gza or ODB?

and no, from my memories, meth is not overrated.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I disagree with Meth being overrated, I think he's been massively consistent and is a real talent.

Why is he a massive talent give me examples of what makes him so talented? Because ive heard alot of verses and some of them arent shit at all.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen

You seem to just really not like that Wu Tang Clan are popular. To say they're overrated though is just silly, in my opinion.

No you are missing the point. They are well respected and held in high-esteem in the hip hop community. Saying you like Wu tang does not neccesarily prove you know anything about hip hop, the same way somebody who didn't know anything about footbal might choose to support Man U to support because they seem to be the most succesful.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen

Also, you've only picked one of the artists/groups I've named to critique, how odd.

Arent we discussing Wu tang as well? Didn't I mention Pharah Monche? The fact is you might like those other rappers but if you really think that Method Man is THAT good it leads me to believe you might listen to hip hop but you don't neccesarily know what makes a good rapper.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen

P.S - supporting Man U to me shows horrible taste in football.

I dont support Man U.

Originally posted by inimalist
would you say similar things about Rza, Gza or ODB?

Im not sure about RZA. GZA is underated. ODB isn't overated he had his time in ths sun like rappers do. GZA is one of the most talented rappers.

Originally posted by inimalist

and no, from my memories, meth is not overrated.

What makes somebody a good rapper then?

This whole discussion has turned into something very, very odd. You seem to be suggesting I know nothing about hip hop, because I like Wu Tang? Do you have any idea how many people suddenly started liking Biggie after his remixes started being played in clubs? Or how many people suddenly started liking Tupac because of that god awful Elton John remix.

Biggie and Tupac are pretty much the names that come out of the mouths of the lowest form of hip hop sheep. Wu Tang Clan most definitely aren't.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I don't care about either of them- they didn't achieve very much if you ask me...nothing that will be remembered in a few hundred years.

This guy said it best.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
This whole discussion has turned into something very, very odd. You seem to be suggesting I know nothing about hip hop, because I like Wu Tang? Do you have any idea how many people suddenly started liking Biggie after his remixes started being played in clubs? Or how many people suddenly started liking Tupac because of that god awful Elton John remix.

Biggie and Tupac are pretty much the names that come out of the mouths of the lowest form of hip hop sheep. Wu Tang Clan most definitely aren't.

I didn't say you didn't know anything. I said it does not NECCESARILY prove that because you like Wu Tang that you do....and I explained why.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What makes somebody a good rapper then?

whether or not I enjoy it?

like, are you implying that there is a objective way to rank art quality outside of subjective opinion?

Originally posted by inimalist
whether or not I enjoy it?

Er no.

Originally posted by inimalist

like, are you implying that there is a objective way to rank art quality outside of subjective opinion?

Yup you damn straight I am. I learn't how to rap and 'studied' it. Obvoulsy some of it is subjective but there are certain talents that make you a better rapper than another rapper. Anybody who is really passionately into hip hop will tell you that. Heres a quick summary:

1. Flowing (no rapping is not just talking)
2 Metaphors, similies and use of imagery.
3. Freestyling ( making up verses at the top of you head, the more coherent the verses are the better you are).