Thanos vs Onslaught (Xavier/Magneto/Franklin/Nate)

Started by Aster Phoenix30 pages

Originally posted by Lord S
Then by your logic we shouldn't believe that the Living Tribunal is more powerful then Onslaught, either...because we don't have the scans of him standing up to psionic energy.

As is everything that's come off your keyboard.

Nice to see your resorting to insults now to make up for a lack of evidence.

And as far as the LT, I'm not sure I believe his powers encompass reality alteration in which case he could simply remove Onslaught from existence.

Personally I like Thanos and I think the Onslaught storyline was a waste. But I don't let that get in the way of a VS thread.

Can't Magneto block out psionic energy because of the nature of his power?

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Nice to see your resorting to insults now to make up for a lack of evidence.

And as far as the LT, I'm not sure I believe his powers encompass reality alteration in which case he could simply remove Onslaught from existence.

What insult?

And where is your proof that LT could do that? Scans please.

Originally posted by Mindset
Can't Magneto block out psionic energy because of the nature of his power?

Where did it say that? I was always under the impression it was because of the helmet?

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Where did it say that? I was always under the impression it was because of the helmet?
It is, but I believe he has done with w/o the helmet as well, which may be due to his latent psi powers.

But I also think I read somewhere that he is able to block/resist as well because of his control over the magnetic spectrum.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
[B]Well if your not willing to prove your claims, don't expect me to take them seriously.

Oh man.


Then the example is irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant. Secret War's reference is relevant because it is where Magneto's force field protected everyone from a casual blast by Galactus. Without Mages, they would've died.

Thanos recently used his shield to protect himself from Galactus, who then comment "Impressive. Never have I had to exert myself to piece a mere force field." Note that he had to exert himself and needed a second blast to pierce said force field. So yeah, Thanos' force field is much better than Magneto's.

Originally posted by Lord S
What insult?

And where is your proof that LT could do that? Scans please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Tribunal

He has near total control over all aspects of the Marvel Universe.

You like Thanos, it doesn't mean he gets to win every fight.

There has only ever been one proven method of dissipating Onslaughts energy form. Show me proof that Thanos can replicate this method without prep.

Also show me that he can resist Onslaught's level of TP without prep as well as his TK.

Failing that Onslaught either wins or it's a stalemate.

In any event I've asked the mods to rule on this one since so many things seem to be up in the air right now.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
YOU prove it. Prove that it can't shield against Psionic Energy.
Asking a person to prove a negative? Has Thanos' shields protected him from psy attacks? It's a fairly simple question.
Originally posted by Lord S
If Magneto's shield can protect him from a blast of psionic energy from Galactus, then Thanos' shield can easily do the same from a less powerful entity.
Mag's helmet protects him fro psy attacks afaik.

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I'm not supposed to ref debates. But you can't make claims then ask the person you're debating with to disprove the claims. If scans aren't handy then cite issues or arcs.

Has Thanos ever shrugged of psy attack from someone on Onslaught's level?

Has Onslaught ever successfully psy attacked anyone on Thanos' level?

If there's any more trouble I'll close the thread.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Oh man.

It's not irrelevant. Secret War's reference is relevant because it is where Magneto's force field protected everyone from a casual blast by Galactus. Without Mages, they would've died.

Thanos recently used his shield to protect himself from Galactus, who then comment "Impressive. Never have I had to exert myself to piece a mere force field." Note that he had to exert himself and needed a second blast to pierce said force field. So yeah, Thanos' force field is much better than Magneto's.

But doesn't prove that it can sheild against or damage a Psionic being like Onslaught.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Oh man.

It's not irrelevant. Secret War's reference is relevant because it is where Magneto's force field protected everyone from a casual blast by Galactus. Without Mages, they would've died.

Thanos recently used his shield to protect himself from Galactus, who then comment "Impressive. Never have I had to exert myself to piece a mere force field." Note that he had to exert himself and needed a second blast to pierce said force field. So yeah, Thanos' force field is much better than Magneto's.

Two different kinds of attacks.

Mags blocked psionic feedback.

Thanos' shield blocked an regular energy blast.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Tribunal

He has near total control over all aspects of the Marvel Universe.

You like Thanos, it doesn't mean he gets to win every fight.

There has only ever been one proven method of dissipating Onslaughts energy form. Show me proof that Thanos can replicate this method without prep.

Also show me that he can resist Onslaught's level of TP without prep as well as his TK.

Failing that Onslaught either wins or it's a stalemate.

In any event I've asked the mods to rule on this one since so many things seem to be up in the air right now.

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You want to use Wiki as a source? Fine...I'll do the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanos

"Thanos has shown himself capable of absorbing and directing enormous quantities of cosmic energy, and using it to shield himself. The Titan is also capable of matter manipulation, telekinesis, and resistance to powerful telepathic assaults."

There you go...that should be proof enough for you.

Why drag the mods into this? It's really unnecessary.

Ability to block telepathic assaults =/= Ability to block Onslaught's telepathic assaults

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Originally posted by Mindset
Ability to block telepathic assaults =/= Ability to block Onslaught's telepathic assaults

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'Powerful' telepathic assaults...the definition of powerful is open to debate.

Originally posted by Lord S
'Powerful' telepathic assaults...the definition of powerful is open to debate.
Exactly, powerful is subjective and it's from wikipedia...so like I was saying, it's not proof he could block Onslaught's attacks.

We are talking about the combined telepathic energy of franklin richards, nate grey, and professor x right?

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing

Thanos recently used his shield to protect himself from Galactus, who then comment "Impressive. Never have I had to exert myself to piece a mere force field." Note that he had to exert himself and needed a second blast to pierce said force field. So yeah, Thanos' force field is much better than Magneto's.

Is Thanos allowed to use tech in this fight, because if I'm not mistaken, he used tech to help against Galactus' attack.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Thanos recently used his shield to protect himself from Galactus, who then comment "Impressive. Never have I had to exert myself to piece a mere force field." Note that he had to exert himself and needed a second blast to pierce said force field. So yeah, Thanos' force field is much better than Magneto's.

All Thanos shields, to be precise was used to protect himself, and the first Blast broke every single one of them and placed Thanos on the ground a second Blast would have killed Thanos.

http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Thanos/?action=view&current=galactus35rc.jpg
http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Thanos/?action=view&current=Thanos0509.jpg

Originally posted by id369

His Most impressive feats battle wise would be:
Mind Raping Juggernaut with his helm on, ***** slapping, and plucking out his gem from his chest.
Taking on the a group of X-Men
Taking on X-Men and FF4.
Taking on X-Men and Avengers
Taking FF4, with Apo and Cable
Submitting Nate Grey.
Taking on a bunch of heros, [Hulk, X-Men, Avengers, FF4 etc..]

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Half of those feats come from bad writing. First of all you can't read or affect Cain's mind with his helmet on. If you say Onslaught can because he was that powerful then Psylocke did the same thing in that saga when he came charging in. The gem was never in his chest. Remember when that one guy stole his powers from across the world? He didn't read Cain's chest. His armor is supposed to be indestructable, yet Onslaught could destroy it.

Onslaught's armor is supposed to be indestructable as he said but Hulk was able to do it.

Originally posted by Mindset
Exactly, powerful is subjective and it's from wikipedia...so like I was saying, it's not proof he could block Onslaught's attacks.
It's evidence...more so than any Onslaught supporter has put up.