First season is still my favorite so far. If it wasn't for the Eric Vs Russell dynamic, this season wouldn't have much of anything.
Sam's brother/family is starting to lose steam, though what appears to be an upcoming battle between the shifters and the meth-slinging weres might be decent, but I don't expect much.
Originally posted by Bardock42
It was rather awkward, fit well though. I quite liked it. It's getting more and more interesting.
Admit it, you got an erection; that's why you thought it "fit well". It was pretty much a pointless sex-scene though.
Talbot is around 700 years old; Eric could have ripped his head off and staked him without making out with the guy.
Originally posted by Robtard
Admit it, you got an erection; that's why you thought it "fit well". It was pretty much a pointless sex-scene though.Talbot is around 700 years old; Eric could have ripped his head off and staked him without making out with the guy.
I don't know whether that is true, we don't have much knowledge about how Vampire power works. Eric did however say to the queen that he is stronger and older than her, so perhaps older doesn't necessarily mean stronger, I could imagine that the sex was however a further payback Eric wanted to inflict.
Additionally, a straight fight might have ended with guards joining in. Who knows.
Regardless, if I was Tara i'd be scared shitless now.
There's been several mentions and instances in the seasons stating that 'older = stronger/more powerful', when it comes to vampires.
Russell was well aware that Talbot was going to get butt-****ed by Eric and he was thankful for it, as it'd stop Talbot's incessant whining and give Russell free time to pursue his hobbies, ie getting Sooki for his collection.
Tara spends most of her time being scared of something, she's really a horrible character. I wish they'd implode her. But yeah, Franklin seems to be back; glad for it too, he's an interesting character.
Originally posted by Robtard
There's been several mentions and instances in the seasons stating that 'older = stronger/more powerful', when it comes to vampires.
It's been stated that that is usually true. Specifics are unclear.
Originally posted by Robtard
Russell was well aware that Talbot was going to get butt-****ed by Eric and he was thankful for it, as it'd stop Talbot's incessant whining and give Russell free time to pursue his hobbies, ie getting Sooki for his collection.Tara spends most of her time being scared of something, she's really a horrible character. I wish they'd implode her. But yeah, Franklin seems to be back; glad for it too, he's an interesting character.
I don't like Sookie and Jason and Tara as characters, I think they are quite good for the overall show though.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't know whether that is true, we don't have much knowledge about how Vampire power works. Eric did however say to the queen that he is stronger and older than her, so perhaps older doesn't necessarily mean stronger
What? Eric is older and stronger than the Queen, whats the puzzle here?
When Bill tried to stake Russel, he laughed and said "are you serious? I'm almost 3000 years old!".
+ many many other instances
+ general vampire folklore
Originally posted by Bardock42
It's been stated that that is usually true. Specifics are unclear.I don't like Sookie and Jason and Tara as characters, I think they are quite good for the overall show though.
Don't know, they've pretty much laid the law that older = more powerful.
Sookie is central, so yes. Tara is just a punching bag who spends 97% of the time being miserable; I'm bored of it. Jason is a meh, though if it follows the books, something [maybe] interesting should happen to him soon.
Also seems like the Tara-Jason attraction might be back on, considering tonight's show.
Originally posted by Placidity
What? Eric is older and stronger than the Queen, whats the puzzle here?
If older = stronger, why be redundant?
Originally posted by Placidity
When Bill tried to stake Russel, he laughed and said "are you serious? I'm almost 3000 years old!".+ many many other instances
+ general vampire folklore
So, what I said, yes?
Originally posted by Robtard
Don't know, they've pretty much laid the law that older = more powerful.Sookie is central, so yes. Tara is just a punching bag who spends 97% of the time being miserable; I'm bored of it. Jason is a meh, though if it follows the books, something [maybe] interesting should happen to him soon.
Also seems like the Tara-Jason attraction might be back on, considering tonight's show.
It seems to be true that someone considerably older tends to be more powerful. We have no idea if a vampire 3 years older is more powerful than the other vampire. We have no idea whether human years count or only vampire years. If a vampire 3 years older is not necessarily stronger than the other vampire, where's the line?
Etc.
Originally posted by Bardock42
It seems to be true that someone considerably older tends to be more powerful. We have no idea if a vampire 3 years older is more powerful than the other vampire. We have no idea whether human years count or only vampire years. If a vampire 3 years older is not necessarily stronger than the other vampire, where's the line?Etc.
I guess theres no way to know exactly, but consider this:
Lorena
DOB: 1759 (251 Years)
Date Turned: 1777 (233 Years)
Bill
DOB: 1835 (175 Years)
Date Turned: 1865 (145 Years)
Age difference
Using DOB: 76 Years
Using Date Turned: 88 Years
Lorena is stronger and faster than Bill to a point where she could overpower him without much trouble.
Another Example:
Diane from Season 1, was only born and turned 90 and 70 years ago respectively and Bill bitchslapped her with ease. Age difference between her and Bill are 85 and 75, depending on how you calculate it.
So it seems from what we've seen so far, a 75-85 year advantage is enough to be clearly superior (although even less is a possibility).
But even with this advantage, they'd probably not be fast enough to react to a surprise stake by the younger Vampire. But in an unarmed fight of strength and speed, they'll win convincingly. That's my take on it anyway.
Originally posted by Placidity
I guess theres no way to know exactly, but consider this:Lorena
DOB: 1759 (251 Years)
Date Turned: 1777 (233 Years)Bill
DOB: 1835 (175 Years)
Date Turned: 1865 (145 Years)Age difference
Using DOB: 76 Years
Using Date Turned: 88 Years
Lorena is stronger and faster than Bill to a point where she could overpower him without much trouble.
Another Example:
Diane from Season 1, was only born and turned 90 and 70 years ago respectively and Bill bitchslapped her with ease. Age difference between her and Bill are 85 and 75, depending on how you calculate it.
So it seems from what we've seen so far, a 75-85 year advantage is enough to be clearly superior (although even less is a possibility).
But even with this advantage, they'd probably not be fast enough to react to a surprise stake by the younger Vampire. But in an unarmed fight of strength and speed, they'll win convincingly. That's my take on it anyway.
I believe it is stated that Lorena being Bill's maker she has a lot of power over him. Eric said the only Vampire a Vampire can trust is the one he made.
However I am not denying that age plays a role in the power of a vampire, I am just not sure whether it is a clear cut one fits all kinda deal.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I believe it is stated that Lorena being Bill's maker she has a lot of power over him. Eric said the only Vampire a Vampire can trust is the one he made.
I don't know about what Bill said, but obviously the maker is always older than its progeny. Theres not much aside from that statement that supports the theory of makers having power (aside from age) over their progeny.
I wouldn't consider what Eric said to have much significance on this discussion. After all, Bill wanted Lorena dead.
At first I thought Makers had some sort of power over their progeny kinda like in Twilight where the Alpha Wolf can give commands that the pack have to follow willingly or not. This was because Godric said something along the lines of "as your maker, I command you" to Eric, and he obeyed despite him not wanting to before. Also, Lorena releasing Bill obviously had some sort of significance. I interpreted this to be some kind of control, but as the series progressed, it was obvious this theory is unlikely. One reason is that Lorena could have commanded Bill according to her will instead of fighting him if she did indeed have control. Also, Jessica had no idea what Bill meant when he released him. It seems more like a code of honor thing that older Vampires had/knew about.
Originally posted by Placidity
I don't know about what Bill said, but obviously the maker is always older than its progeny. Theres not much aside from that statement that supports the theory of makers having power (aside from age) over their progeny.
I'd strongly disagree, there's a lot of evidence for that. For example this whole deal about "setting them free" we saw in flashbacks of Bill. And also what Eric said, it's been heavily implied, definitely.
Originally posted by Placidity
I wouldn't consider what Eric said to have much significance on this discussion. After all, Bill wanted Lorena dead.
Yes, however there was the scene where she "set him free" and also in season 2 where he talked about her always having some influence over her.
Originally posted by Placidity
At first I thought Makers had some sort of power over their progeny kinda like in Twilight where the Alpha Wolf can give commands that the pack have to follow willingly or not. This was because Godric said something along the lines of "as your maker, I command you" to Eric, and he obeyed despite him not wanting to before. Also, Lorena releasing Bill obviously had some sort of significance. I interpreted this to be some kind of control, but as the series progressed, it was obvious this theory is unlikely. One reason is that Lorena could have commanded Bill according to her will instead of fighting him if she did indeed have control. Also, Jessica had no idea what Bill meant when he released him. It seems more like a code of honor thing that older Vampires had/knew about.
I don't think so, Jessica may not have had a concept of it, but she was quite shook by it. I do agree it is vague, but I do think it has some significance, I don't think that it is a complete control, but they do seem to have some powers.
Originally posted by Placidity
I don't know about what Bill said, but obviously the maker is always older than its progeny. Theres not much aside from that statement that supports the theory of makers having power (aside from age) over their progeny.I wouldn't consider what Eric said to have much significance on this discussion. After all, Bill wanted Lorena dead.
At first I thought Makers had some sort of power over their progeny kinda like in Twilight where the Alpha Wolf can give commands that the pack have to follow willingly or not. This was because Godric said something along the lines of "as your maker, I command you" to Eric, and he obeyed despite him not wanting to before. Also, Lorena releasing Bill obviously had some sort of significance. I interpreted this to be some kind of control, but as the series progressed, it was obvious this theory is unlikely. One reason is that Lorena could have commanded Bill according to her will instead of fighting him if she did indeed have control. Also, Jessica had no idea what Bill meant when he released him. It seems more like a code of honor thing that older Vampires had/knew about.
As far as that power makers have. It's kind of just code I believe. There is no actual power other then the fact that the maker is probably way older thus way stronger than the person they make. As for as Godric and Eric go. That was just pure honor, respect, and loyalty to one. Godric was more than a maker to Eric thus the deeper connection to him. He was his father, brother, and much more.