Trinity Superman vs. Red Hulk

Originally posted by snyper1982
So in order for us to debate this, we have to abide by the rules you set forth right? Like we have to use PIS, and one character being neutered to make it so your character would win right? Get off it. OK.

It is painfully obvious you have absolutely no idea what the rules mean. You keep ignoring the fact that both characters fight to the best of their abilities, and that we don't use instances of PIS. You want to just ignore this though, and continue pointing to instance of PIS that support your argument, and put your fingers in your ears and scream like a child when somebody gives you examples of things you ask for. Like when has Superman ever BFR'd a brick on rulks level. Well just because you don't believe wonder woman, ultraman, etc are on rulks level is irrelevant, because not only are they bricks, they are MUCH MUCH MUCH faster than the rulk as well, and he managed to bfr them.

Also, you have ignored every request I have made to you regarding how Superman will ever get hit by rulk, all you have said is he would get tagged eventually, but that basically means superman would have to run into rulks fist... You have also ignored my request for your explanation regarding whats stopping rulk from getting punched or chucked into space? All you have said is he is strong. Well a strong statue, can't do much, because it can't move... I will not expect a response to these questions this time either.

Supes has been hit by Konvikt,so why cant Rulk hit him? Supes beat these other characters quickly because they were obviously less than Konvikt or the Rulk. Supes needed help in dealing with Konvikt.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,I know. But we also argue whats in character. The writers showed us that Supes cant simply bfr Konvikt otherwise he would have done it.

He failed to bfr Konvikt and woul dfail utterly to defeat Rulk. Konvikt doesnt have superspeed either. 😬

Hence the term PIS. Since it has been previously established in cannon that superman has the ability and powers to do exactly this and has done exactly this on other occasions. This one plot he didn't do it. Big deal, he has in plenty of other plots. But not to someone on rulks level, right? LOL.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,Supes can bfr opponents but hasnt bfr's anyone on the Rulk's level. Thats the point.

Supes has been hit by Konvikt,so why cant Rulk hit him? Supes beat these other characters quickly because they were obviously less than Konvikt or the Rulk. Supes needed help in dealing with Konvikt.

Originally posted by snyper1982
Hence the term PIS. Since it has been previously established in cannon that superman has the ability and powers to do exactly this and has done exactly this on other occasions. This one plot he didn't do it. Big deal, he has in plenty of other plots. But not to someone on rulks level, right? LOL.

How many times has Supes easily thrown people off the planet in midbattle?

Originally posted by Badabing
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,Supes can bfr opponents but hasnt bfr's anyone on the Rulk's level. Thats the point.

Supes has been hit by Konvikt,so why cant Rulk hit him? Supes beat these other characters quickly because they were obviously less than Konvikt or the Rulk. Supes needed help in dealing with Konvikt.

That is the very definition of PIS!!! Someone without superspeed hitting someone with superspeed! That is it, I am sick of your trolling. You have been shown the rules numerous times, and told you were breaking them numerous times.

Originally posted by snyper1982
That is the very definition of PIS!!! Someone without superspeed hitting someone with superspeed! That is it, I am sick of your trolling. You have been shown the rules numerous times, and told you were breaking them numerous times.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No,it isnt pis. I need to see him do it to a brick that is on or at Rulk's level.

How many times has Supes easily thrown people off the planet in midbattle?

It is your opinion that these other character aren't on rulks level. And rulks level in what anyway? Strength? That is about all he has going for him... They don't have to be on his level in strength, they just have to be a brick. Frankly, I would consider speed a more important factor in preventing a BFR than strength, because if they can't touch or see you, how are they going to do anything to you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I simply disagree. You are trying to tell me that Supes easily bfr's Rulk and are acting like I am supposed to accept it. Sorry,I dont. I simply disagree.

No you aren't simply disagreeing, you are trying to debate your position while ignoring board rules.

If you want to simply say you think rulk is better that's fine. You are entitled your opinion, but you're not debating according to the rules... I think Superman is the ultimate super-hero, and should never be able to lose, but I can't debate that postion logically when he is going up against someone like say, the Silver Surfer... I put my fanboyism aside and debate using logic, and the board rules. You don't.

Originally posted by snyper1982
It is your opinion that these other character aren't on rulks level. And rulks level in what anyway? Strength? That is about all he has going for him... They don't have to be on his level in strength, they just have to be a brick. Frankly, I would consider speed a more important factor in preventing a BFR than strength, because if they can't touch or see you, how are they going to do anything to you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,I understand this. I also understand that Supes cant easily bfr any old brick that comes his way. We have what the comics give us. Rulk pounds Superman into submission. Its in Superman's character to brawl with a brawler.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No,it isnt pis. I need to see him do it to a brick that is on or at Rulk's level.

How many times has Supes easily thrown people off the planet in midbattle?

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
except this is trinity superman with batman and wonder womans calculation so now his instinct isnt to brawl

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
lobo, again who has better feats than red hulk
darkseid
wonder woman
etc.

Darkseid has never fought trinity Superman,so I dont think you should be allowed to use other Superman feats if I cant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He brawled with Konvikt.

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW is nowhere near as physical or as strong as Rulk. Darkseid also pales in comparison strength and hitting power wise.

Darkseid has never fought trinity Superman,so I dont think you should be allowed to use other Superman feats if I cant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Rulk's strength and durability as of yet seem to be above top tier. Supes could land in some nice strikes here,but against bricks in the past they usually always get their hands on him. That my point. If you want to ignore whats in Superman's character to do,thats fine,but until I see him actually throw a comparable brick to the Rulk off the planet I remain unconvinced.

See no you are using the PIS argument again. Just because something did happen doesn't mean it SHOULD happen... Again, should spiderman be able to hit the Silver Surfer? Should Captain America be able to bea the hulk? Should batman be able to put lobo in a headlock? No. It happened though.

Again, you never gave me a logical reason WHY hulks strength and durability are going to either allow him to hit clark, or keep him grounded in a fight.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
not the same superman, youve been told that numerous times. according to others youre ignoring the ocntext of that fight as well.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
what feats does red hulk have to put him above darkseid?, and trinity superman is canon superman with all of his abilities just with the mindsets of batman and wonder woman

Originally posted by snyper1982
See no you are using the PIS argument again. Just because something did happen doesn't mean it SHOULD happen... Again, should spiderman be able to hit the Silver Surfer? Should Captain America be able to bea the hulk? Should batman be able to put lobo in a headlock? No. It happened though.

Again, you never gave me a logical reason WHY hulks strength and durability are going to either allow him to hit clark, or keep him grounded in a fight.

Comparing Spiderman to the Silver Surfer is laughable while Rulk has beaten down a Watcher and Thor,easily.

Supes cant bfr him off of the planet. Thats why and he cant do enough damage to keep the Rulk down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You just used Darkseid as an example and now I cant talk about the Superman that took on Konvikt from the very same series? Darkseid doesnt count,he has never faced against trinity Superman. Lets drop anyone out of the equation that has never faced trinity superman. Darkseid cant beat regular Superman anymore,it seems.

why would that matter, supermans mindset has little barring on his strength, he would be jsut as strong. all feats are usable however the difference is superman is more calculating