Onslaught vs Arishem

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Arishem wins.

Originally posted by basilisk


Ah, what the hell does Apocalypse know anyway. He's always raving on madly about something while he plots his latest irrelevant and doomed scheme. He defines inconsistency.

Arishem FTW.

Since hes been hanging out with Uatu all throughout the Onslaught saga watching things unfold. Uatu was also the one that advised Apocalypse to team up with cable and attack Onslaught through the astral plane........................unbeknown to Uatu, Apocalypse and Cable, Onslaught already knew this plan and detected them straight away. Onslaught allowed it to happen to teach Franklin Richards a lesson.

Arishem wins easily.

How will Arishem kill Onslaught?

How can he?

Originally posted by monaroCountry
How will Arishem kill Onslaught?

How can he?

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Arishem's the one that threaten to burn the realms of three skyfathers. Cube beings and skyfathers fear the Celestials. What kind of question is how can Arishem kill Onslaught?

Destroying his armor and absorbing his psionic energies.

Arishem....spite.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
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Arishem's the one that threaten to burn the realms of three skyfathers. Cube beings and skyfathers fear the Celestials. What kind of question is how can Arishem kill Onslaught?

Destroying his armor and absorbing his psionic energies.

Yeah yeah forget about those sky father garbage............it doesnt really prove anything. Thor is supposed to be a god and yet plenty of Earthlings/mere mortals have gone toe to toe with him and flogged him.

So again I ask how can Arishem destroy Onslaught? Breaking his armour and absorbing Onslaught doesn't destroy him...........unless Arishem kills himself in the process.

BTW its impossible to absorb the energy of a fully evolved Onslaught since his energy isnt concentrated in the one place (like how the Heroes killed him) but dispersed through out a larger area i.e. planetary/universal.

Now how well does Arishem handle a creature that is physically more powerful than himself? Does breaking his armour do anything, is there a creature made of bone and sinew?

How does Arishem handle a creature that has more energy and bag of tricks? what can he do when onslaught decides to drop a sun on his head?

How well can Arishem handle a physical, mystical, and mental barrage? Its not enough to state that Arishem can survive just because hes a cosmic being, since cosmic beings have been defeated before by mere mortals.

Originally posted by monaroCountry
[B]Yeah yeah forget about those sky father garbage............it doesnt really prove anything. Thor is supposed to be a god and yet plenty of Earthlings/mere mortals have gone toe to toe with him and flogged him.

Thor can't destroy galaxy on average. Odin has. Cube beings fight at quantum level and hold pocket universes in their hand. These beings fear the Celestials.


So again I ask how can Arishem destroy Onslaught? Breaking his armour and absorbing Onslaught doesn't destroy him...........unless Arishem kills himself in the process.

By blasting him to pieces? Now that's a start. Throwing an entire planet at Onslaught?


BTW its impossible to absorb the energy of a fully evolved Onslaught since his energy isnt concentrated in the one place (like how the Heroes killed him) but dispersed through out a larger area i.e. planetary/universal.

This means jack to a Celestial. A full potential Franklin Richards is only equal to a Celestial in power. And this is Arishem we're talking about. He erects barriers around planets before Exitar destroys a planet. He'll erect a field around Onslaught's evolved form like putting a fly in a jar or throw a planet at him, dispersing his psionic form.


monaroCountry

Now how well does Arishem handle a creature that is physically more powerful than himself? Does breaking his armour do anything, is there a creature made of bone and sinew?[quote]

Physically more powerful? Arishem wasn't even phased by the assault of 3 skyfathers, including Odin. Y'know Odin right, the guy that fights beings able to destroy galaxies?

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How does Arishem handle a creature that has more energy and bag of tricks? what can he do when onslaught decides to drop a sun on his head?

?! You're comparing a sun against a being that ignored a blast from 3 skyfathers??? Then his mere threat had them all on their knees? Any skyfather would stomp a mudhole in Onslaught. Don't kid yourself.


How well can Arishem handle a physical, mystical, and mental barrage? Its not enough to state that Arishem can survive just because hes a cosmic being, since cosmic beings have been defeated before by mere mortals.
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You don't get it huh? Kubik held a universe/pocket universe in his hand. Beyonder's fight with MM has blinded a Watcher and wrecked dimensions. Yet Kubik and Kosmos were afraid of getting close to a Celestial in fear that it would destroy them.

Physcially? Onslaught is not going to dent Arishem where three skyfathers couldn't.
Mystically? Onslaught ain't mystical. Skyfathers are mystical and they were kneeling before Arishem.
Mentally? 😆 Good luck. Onslaught's going to mindrape Arishem?

Onslaught 🙄

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
[B]Thor can't destroy galaxy on average. Odin has. Cube beings fight at quantum level and hold pocket universes in their hand. These beings fear the Celestials.

These celestial and god beings has shown some fantastic destruction but these didnt occur in our own reality/these didnt directly affect the regular marvel heroes (spider man, fantastic four, X men etc). It seems to me that another far away universe is easier to destroy and more likely sacrificed than our own. So show me Odin destroying a galaxy (preferably not some far away galaxy). Dont show me old comics as well...show examples of newer comics.

By blasting him to pieces? Now that's a start. Throwing an entire planet at Onslaught?

Blasting him to pieces definately wont work since Onslaught in his fully evolved state doesnt have a physical body................thowing an entire planet also down work for the same reason.

This means jack to a Celestial. A full potential Franklin Richards is only equal to a Celestial in power. And this is Arishem we're talking about. He erects barriers around planets before Exitar destroys a planet. He'll erect a field around Onslaught's evolved form like putting a fly in a jar or throw a planet at him, dispersing his psionic form.

Franklin Richards = Celestial level
Franklin Richards = Omega level Mutant
Not fully evolved Onslaught > any mutant (according to Uatu)

When Onslaght used Franklin Richards powers it wasnt the limited power but the untainted and uncapped FR power. Even during his early evolution Onslaught already showed that he was far more powerful than the psi lord Franklin Richards.

There is absolutely no way to contain a fully evolved Onslaught, since 1) he doesnt have a physical body 2) he can always used the astral field 3) his energy ource and his being is the psionic energies of all living creatures and 4) he could always bend reality to make a way through the barrier.

You're comparing a sun against a being that ignored a blast from 3 skyfathers??? Then his mere threat had them all on their knees? Any skyfather would stomp a mudhole in Onslaught. Don't kid yourself.

Yes thats exactly what im doing. How would those skyfathers fare being dipped in the core of the sun.......................Thor certainly cant survive. How would a celestial's physical body survive being dipped in the centre of the sun? Skyfathers, skyflakes the sky is falling........its all in the name. Thor is supposedly a god, yet he got his ass handed to him by Holocaust, what kind of god is that?

You don't get it huh? Kubik held a universe/pocket universe in his hand. Beyonder's fight with MM has blinded a Watcher and wrecked dimensions. Yet Kubik and Kosmos were afraid of getting close to a Celestial in fear that it would destroy them.

Pheonix also held it in her hands, yet Onslaught handled her with ease. Now again show me some recent comics.

Physcially? Onslaught is not going to dent Arishem where three skyfathers couldn't.

Why not? just because he has "cosmic" in front of his name? Sorry but that simply not good enough. Why cant Onslaught bend reality to make Arishem look like Swiss cheese?

Mystically? Onslaught ain't mystical. Skyfathers are mystical and they were kneeling before Arishem.

Thats the interesting feature with Onslaught, he doesn't show any mystical powers but he still caused a seismic disturbance in the mystic ether, prompting Dr Strange to comment that even he wouldn't have been able to match Onslaughts actions with such impunity. How can you beat that? Onslaught doesnt need to chant any spells and carry magical artifacts like those skyfathers. He simply just thinks of it and it happens (magically or not).

Mentally? 😆 Good luck. Onslaught's going to mindrape Arishem?

Yes exactly................if Onslaught draws his energy from ALL LIVING CREATURES then this would include Arishem (in addition to everyone else).

Originally posted by monaroCountry
These celestial and god beings has shown some fantastic destruction but these didnt occur in our own reality/these didnt directly affect the regular marvel heroes (spider man, fantastic four, X men etc). It seems to me that another far away universe is easier to destroy and more likely sacrificed than our own. So show me Odin destroying a galaxy (preferably not some far away galaxy). Dont show me old comics as well...show examples of newer comics.

Blasting him to pieces definately wont work since Onslaught in his fully evolved state doesnt have a physical body................thowing an entire planet also down work for the same reason.

Franklin Richards = Celestial level
Franklin Richards = Omega level Mutant
Not fully evolved Onslaught > any mutant (according to Uatu)

When Onslaght used Franklin Richards powers it wasnt the limited power but the untainted and uncapped FR power. Even during his early evolution Onslaught already showed that he was far more powerful than the psi lord Franklin Richards.

There is absolutely no way to contain a fully evolved Onslaught, since 1) he doesnt have a physical body 2) he can always used the astral field 3) his energy ource and his being is the psionic energies of all living creatures and 4) he could always bend reality to make a way through the barrier.

Yes thats exactly what im doing. How would those skyfathers fare being dipped in the core of the sun.......................Thor certainly cant survive. How would a celestial's physical body survive being dipped in the centre of the sun? Skyfathers, skyflakes the sky is falling........its all in the name. Thor is supposedly a god, yet he got his ass handed to him by Holocaust, what kind of god is that?

Pheonix also held it in her hands, yet Onslaught handled her with ease. Now again show me some recent comics.

Why not? just because he has "cosmic" in front of his name? Sorry but that simply not good enough. Why cant Onslaught bend reality to make Arishem look like Swiss cheese?

Thats the interesting feature with Onslaught, he doesn't show any mystical powers but he still caused a seismic disturbance in the mystic ether, prompting Dr Strange to comment that even he wouldn't have been able to match Onslaughts actions with such impunity. How can you beat that? Onslaught doesnt need to chant any spells and carry magical artifacts like those skyfathers. He simply just thinks of it and it happens (magically or not).

Yes exactly................if Onslaught draws his energy from ALL LIVING CREATURES then this would include Arishem (in addition to everyone else).


Let me just ask you something. Can Onslaught destroy a galaxy? and if so, why hasn't he?

Originally posted by monaroCountry
These celestial and god beings has shown some fantastic destruction but these didnt occur in our own reality/these didnt directly affect the regular marvel heroes (spider man, fantastic four, X men etc).

Destroying galaxies is destroying galaxies. Whether it involves marvel heroes or not, it's still destroying galaxies.


It seems to me that another far away universe is easier to destroy and more likely sacrificed than our own.

What? Of course not, otherwise everyone would be dead and Marvel won't be able to publish the majority of their books since most of them take place on Earth. That still doesn't take away from the galaxy destroying feat.


So show me Odin destroying a galaxy (preferably not some far away galaxy). Dont show me old comics as well...show examples of newer comics.

Odin is DEAD, so I can't show you any stuff that's newer. But this is a from a more recent comic, not Silver Age stuff. As for galaxies, what does it matter the distance? Most galaxies are lightyears away, did you have a lightyear distance you have in mind?

Odin destroying a galaxies here and reigniting suns.
http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=odinseth4wz1.jpg

Arishem Vs Odin and 2 other skyfathers:
http://img506.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor30016ie7.jpg


Blasting him to pieces definately wont work since Onslaught in his fully evolved state doesnt have a physical body................thowing an entire planet also down work for the same reason.

It work since the heroes jumped into his psionic form and destroyed him. So yeah, Arishem throws a planet at his form and destroys him the same manner. Or puts a field around him.

Franklin Richards = Celestial level
Franklin Richards = Omega level Mutant
Not fully evolved Onslaught > any mutant (according to Uatu)

When Onslaght used Franklin Richards powers it wasnt the limited power but the untainted and uncapped FR power. Even during his early evolution Onslaught already showed that he was far more powerful than the psi lord Franklin Richards.

Franklin has the potential to reach Celestial level, not that he is. And Arishem isn't your average no name Celestial. Onslaught has done nothing remotely close to Franklin. What? Creating a sun?


There is absolutely no way to contain a fully evolved Onslaught, since 1) he doesnt have a physical body 2) he can always used the astral field 3) his energy ource and his being is the psionic energies of all living creatures and 4) he could always bend reality to make a way through the barrier.

A team of X-Men, FF, Avengers, and Hulk beat Onslaught's fully evolved form.

Bend reality? Gee, that's like um...wait...a day in the life of a Cube Being.

Kubik holding a universe:
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kubik1kq5rq7.jpg

Hey look, a Celestial messing with reality:
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Thor_288_15.jpg&album=0&fullsize=1


Yes thats exactly what im doing. How would those skyfathers fare being dipped in the core of the sun.......................Thor certainly cant survive. How would a celestial's physical body survive being dipped in the centre of the sun? Skyfathers, skyflakes the sky is falling........its all in the name. Thor is supposedly a god, yet he got his ass handed to him by Holocaust, what kind of god is that?

Thor has been in the core of the sun, so has Surfer, so has Drax. These three are top tier, not even close to a skyfather in power. Being in the sun is walking in the park for a skyfather.

When Thor, Holocaust, or Onslaught can destroy a galaxy or hold a universe in their hand, then they can be place on the level of a skyfather or cube being. Until otherwise, Onslaught can call himself Eternity if he wants, it still doesn't mean jack without feats to back him.


Pheonix also held it in her hands, yet Onslaught handled her with ease. Now again show me some recent comics.

Your bringing up Phoenix? That was a manifesting of Phoenix in Jean's mind. If it was, Jean and everyone else would have made a big deal out of him defeating the actual force. Nice try but Franklin was his most powerful acquisition and he still couldn't access Franklin's full power.


Why not? just because he has "cosmic" in front of his name? Sorry but that simply not good enough. Why cant Onslaught bend reality to make Arishem look like Swiss cheese?

Cause he's got higher feats to back him up unlike Onslaught. Cause Skyfathers and Cube Beings who bend reality themselves are afraid of the Celestials. Onslaught was beaten by a team of heroes that crack his armor and jump inside his final form. That team is nowhere near a Odin or Kubik in power.


Thats the interesting feature with Onslaught, he doesn't show any mystical powers but he still caused a seismic disturbance in the mystic ether, prompting Dr Strange to comment that even he wouldn't have been able to match Onslaughts actions with such impunity. How can you beat that? Onslaught doesnt need to chant any spells and carry magical artifacts like those skyfathers. He simply just thinks of it and it happens (magically or not).

Strange has stated many things like that about many beings, including Lilith. And Lilith got handled by Ghost Rider and Vengeance. Strange also had to bring Galactus in to save his butt against Aggamotto.


Yes exactly................if Onslaught draws his energy from ALL LIVING CREATURES then this would include Arishem (in addition to everyone else). 🙄 😆 😆

You're assuming the Celestials are "living creatures." Also your reading too much into this statement, if he was what you claim he is, the heroes wouldn't have beaten him so easily and he would have drawn the attentions of the Abstracts no just the Watcher.

Onslaught LOST to this group: Hulk, Avengers, X-Men, and FF.
Arishem BEAT this group: Odin, Zeus, Vishnu.

Arishem 11/10

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What? Of course not, otherwise everyone would be dead and Marvel won't be able to publish the majority of their books since most of them take place on Earth. That still doesn't take away from the galaxy destroying feat.

So that means that Onslaught’s actions were more monumental in terms of effects to the Marvel Universe main characters and comics? The Onslaught saga affected most Marvel heroes like no other before and probably in the future.

Odin is DEAD, so I can't show you any stuff that's newer. But this is a from a more recent comic, not Silver Age stuff. As for galaxies, what does it matter the distance? Most galaxies are lightyears away, did you have a lightyear distance you have in mind?

Odin destroying a galaxies here and reigniting suns.
http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?...dinseth4wz1.jpg

Arishem Vs Odin and 2 other skyfathers:
http://img506.imageshack.us/my.php?...hor30016ie7.jpg

What I see is some bolts of energy coming from the eyes and hands, hardly a galaxy destroying stuff but more likely some very creative writing. The realm of the gods isn’t large and is around the size of the United States, hardly big!!! From the scans you provided it seems that it was only fire and also Arishem didn’t destroy Asgard etc but just the gateways to it.

It work since the heroes jumped into his psionic form and destroyed him. So yeah, Arishem throws a planet at his form and destroys him the same manner. Or puts a field around him.

That was before he was able to fully evolve and was still mid transformation when his energy was concentrated at one place. No jumping into him didn’t kill Onslaught it merely provided a physical and mortal vessel that the Heroes could kill. So show me a scan of Arishem throwing around an impenetrable planetary wide shield or even throwing a planet towards an opponent. I can show you Onslaught creating a sun!!!

Also another way to stop Arishem’s celestial machines would be Onslaught creating an electromagnetic pulse disabling any machines in the vicinity. Onslaught did this as have Magneto (planetary wide as well). And don’t use that “because its celestial tech” it wont be affected excuse again.


Franklin has the potential to reach Celestial level, not that he is. And Arishem isn't your average no name Celestial. Onslaught has done nothing remotely close to Franklin. What? Creating a sun?

I could argue that Onslaught/Xavier created the pocket Universe not Franklin Richards (its in the scans as well). Like I said Franklin Richards is still but a mutant, Onslaught is far far more than a mutant.

Show me an example of Arishem crating a sun? its always the case that creating something is far more difficult than destroying something.

The Celestials spent over a million years creating and nurturing a new race with superpowers, Onslaught just thinks up a new being into existence!!

Hey look, a Celestial messing with reality:
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/...&fullsize=1

Oh wow just because Thors hammer cant light up the shadow…………..its somehow bending “time and space”? In this case, magneto creating a mini black hole = bending time and space etc!!! Making things appear from nothing by Onslaught is warping reality. Making a light disappear isn’t an amazing feat!!!

Thor has been in the core of the sun, so has Surfer, so has Drax. These three are top tier, not even close to a skyfather in power. Being in the sun is walking in the park for a skyfather.

And yet Thor cant beat one of Onslaught’s minions by himself? When the skyfather’s, cube beings, and celestials affect the mainstream marvel heroes like Onslaught…………….then I would call them more powerful!!!!


Your bringing up Phoenix? That was a manifesting of Phoenix in Jean's mind. If it was, Jean and everyone else would have made a big deal out of him defeating the actual force. Nice try but Franklin was his most powerful acquisition and he still couldn't access Franklin's full power.

Like ive said, that occurred in the Astral plane but Onslaught didn’t drag Jean’s astral being into the plane but her physical body!!!! How do you know that he couldn’t access Franklins full power? From all reports he not only knew of FR’s full power, he also had access to it, Onslaught even taught FR how to properly use his power. Franklin Richards = powerful matter/reality manipulator, Nate Grey = most powerful psionic being in any reality.

Onslaught LOST to this group: Hulk, Avengers, X-Men, and FF.
Arishem BEAT this group: Odin, Zeus, Vishnu.

Onslaught could just created 1000 invisible womens to do some serious damage to the celestial rank.

Let me just ask you something. Can Onslaught destroy a galaxy? and if so, why hasn't he?

Because in most of the saga he shared the hopes and dreams of both Xavier and Magneto. He didnt want to destroy anything, he wanted the mutant race to thrive and to stop the persecution.

It was only at the end section of the saga that Onslaught saw the results of mutant rule. He saw that the mutants destroyed Earth. It was at this stage that he decided to change the galaxy in his image believing that both mutants and humans were not worthy to rule.

Onslaught is a featless wonder. Whoopy, he created a star.

Originally posted by monaroCountry
Because in most of the saga he shared the hopes and dreams of both Xavier and Magneto. He didnt want to destroy anything, he wanted the mutant race to thrive and to stop the persecution.

It was only at the end section of the saga that Onslaught saw the results of mutant rule. He saw that the mutants destroyed Earth. It was at this stage that he decided to change the galaxy in his image believing that both mutants and humans were not worthy to rule.

.....And you think Arishem cant duplicate this because?

Originally posted by monaroCountry
So that means that Onslaught’s actions were more monumental in terms of effects to the Marvel Universe main characters and comics? The Onslaught saga affected most Marvel heroes like no other before and probably in the future.

Yeah for Onslaught. So did Civil War, I guess Tony Stark can beat a Galactus now. And correction, it affected most of Marvel Earth heroes.


What I see is some bolts of energy coming from the eyes and hands, hardly a galaxy destroying stuff but more likely some very creative writing. The realm of the gods isn’t large and is around the size of the United States, hardly big!!! From the scans you provided it seems that it was only fire and also Arishem didn’t destroy Asgard etc but just the gateways to it.

That's a matter of your opinion. That book itself states galaxy destroying. It's a feat backed by the books whether you like it or not. Like Onslaught losing to MU Earth heroes is in the books despite what you may want Onslaught to be.

As for the scans, whether he was going to destroy their realms or their gate, they were afraid enough to give up. Three skyfathers gave up, if there was a chance to beat him, you think they'd bow so easily? Please. Stop with your nonsense. Odin fights a host of demon and dark gods and has never given up, here he's conceding along with two other head gods. What does Onslaught have that can even match? Getting busted up by the Hulk?


That was before he was able to fully evolve and was still mid transformation when his energy was concentrated at one place. No jumping into him didn’t kill Onslaught it merely provided a physical and mortal vessel that the Heroes could kill. So show me a scan of Arishem throwing around an impenetrable planetary wide shield or even throwing a planet towards an opponent. I can show you Onslaught creating a sun!!!

Read the Infinity Gauntlet, planets were gathered as weapons against Thanos by the two Celestials.


Also another way to stop Arishem’s celestial machines would be Onslaught creating an electromagnetic pulse disabling any machines in the vicinity. Onslaught did this as have Magneto (planetary wide as well). And don’t use that “because its celestial tech” it wont be affected excuse again.

Arishem rarely uses machines. Where are you getting this? You mean the ships they travel in? Other than that, Arishem doesn't use machine. Obviously you know nothing about the Celestials, creating an Electro magnetic pulse to do what to them.


I could argue that Onslaught/Xavier created the pocket Universe not Franklin Richards (its in the scans as well). Like I said Franklin Richards is still but a mutant, Onslaught is far far more than a mutant.

No. You'd be lying because Franklin created the pocket universe, Onslaught is just a dumba$s who couldn't even beat the X-Men and Avengers.


Show me an example of Arishem crating a sun? its always the case that creating something is far more difficult than destroying something.

Yeah, because creating a sun is the same as destroying a galaxy. As far as I know, there are no scans of Arishem creating a sun because it's not the Celestials' purpose to be creating suns. But I did provide you with a scan of 3 skyfathers giving in to Arishem and scan of Odin destroying galaxies. That's sufficient proof of the power levels involved.


The Celestials spent over a million years creating and nurturing a new race with superpowers, Onslaught just thinks up a new being into existence!!

:rollseyes: The Celestials are responsible for the Deviants, the Eternals, and seeding the human race with their mutant potentials (X-Men Forever 6). So um, yeah, Onslaught is a by product of Celestial experiments.

And you bringing up him thinking new beings into existence as an impressive feat to the Celestials is laughable and shows you ignorance of the Celestials and the Cube Beings.

Read up on the Cube Beings and Celestials before bringing up this nonsense as an argument.


Oh wow just because Thors hammer cant light up the shadow…………..its somehow bending “time and space”? In this case, magneto creating a mini black hole = bending time and space etc!!! Making things appear from nothing by Onslaught is warping reality. Making a light disappear isn’t an amazing feat!!!

Obviously you're ignorant of the Celestials and that much is known. Please don't bring up Magneto and try to compare it to a Celestial. Yeah for Magneto creating a mini black hole. So can the Spot, but lets compare that to a Celestial. Onslaught warps reality? And?? So do Cube Beings and on a greater scale, the CBs are afraid of the Celestials.


And yet Thor cant beat one of Onslaught’s minions by himself? When the skyfather’s, cube beings, and celestials affect the mainstream marvel heroes like Onslaught…………….then I would call them more powerful!!!!

Thor? Thor has trouble with Ulik. A poisoned Odin one punched Ulik out cold. By the way, your argument is just plain dumb. So what? Onslaughts power affects Spiderman, Wolverine, Iron Man, MU Earth? Wow. Maybe that's because none of them are villains and the operate on a cosmic scale and Earth isn't their concern. I mean what did you expect, Odin comes down and tries to take over Midgard?


Like ive said, that occurred in the Astral plane but Onslaught didn’t drag Jean’s astral being into the plane but her physical body!!!!

Yeah, I've read it. They never made a big deal out of it again because he didn't fight the Force, they were on the astral plane. If he it was actually it, she would've made a big deal during the arcs.


How do you know that he couldn’t access Franklins full power? From all reports he not only knew of FR’s full power, he also had access to it, Onslaught even taught FR how to properly use his power.

Because he got his butt handed to him by Earth heroes, even Cyclops' attack was cracking his armor. Cyclops!!! Odin was annoyed by the Silver Surfers' attack at the most.


Franklin Richards = powerful matter/reality manipulator, Nate Grey = most powerful psionic being in any reality.

Your claim is funny because I recall Earth heroes handling Onslaught. He might have their power but he was obviously too stupid to access them, especially when Cyclops and Hulk are pummeling him.


Onslaught could just created 1000 invisible womens to do some serious damage to the celestial rank.

How old are you? This sounds like what some kid would say. Read up on the Skyfathers, CB, and Celestials before bringing up such ridiculous reason for your favorite character to win.

I mean, c'mon you actually think a sun would have an effect on guys like Odin and Arishem.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Onslaught is a featless wonder. Whoopy, he created a star.

This is relevant because he's questioned whether Odin or a Celestial can survive the core of the sun.

This here is gold

Originally posted by monaroCountry
How does Arishem handle a creature that has more energy and bag of tricks? what can he do when onslaught decides to drop a sun on his head?

My guess is Arishem would throw that sun back at Onslaught.