Onslaught vs Arishem

Originally posted by kgkg

More times than not Eternity has been said to contain one reality

Eternity's form, is what encompasses everything that ever was/is and will be in space/time.

The rest of the infinite Multiverses of Marvel are unconscious chunks of space/time,
with the exception of the Brothers, who encompass Two Megaverses,
each Megaverse containing a collection of Multiverses.
(but their relevant purpose and position in the cosmic scheme is a mystery)

Originally posted by kgkg

Again marvel is not very keen on Universal/Multiversal distinction ,
clearly overlapping Universal/Multiversal concept many times ie choas , and order.

Perhaps there are multiversal aspect of these concepts as it has been shown few times where chaos and order affected the multiverse , death also affecting the multiverse etc.

1. Eternity's totality, aka. 'all of Eternity,' aka. 'multi-Eternity' (trans-infinite prime Multiverse)
2. Aspects of Eternity (singular alternate Universes)

Infinity (the other side that makes up the foundation of Reality)
also shares this make-up.

Logic suggests, the rest of the manifested Concepts fall under the same idea.

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]On panel, ever since Marvel expanded it's world into a Multiverse,
Eternity has always been the conscious embodiment of the prime Multiverse.

Eternity's form, is what encompasses everything that ever was/is and will be in space/time.

The rest of the infinite MultiverseS of Marvel are unconscious chunks of space/time,
with the exception of the Brothers, who encompass Two Megaverses,
each Megaverse containing a collection of Multiverses.

I do agree that there has been some evidence of Eternity being Multiverse since logically if other abstacts has been shown to be multiversal effect that Eternity must also be multiversal/ or have a multiversal concept.

point being marvel has never been claear on it's postion of multiversal/universal differences when showing eternity evidence for both sides exist.

On panel, there are two versions of Eternity:

1. Eternity's totality, aka. 'all of Eternity,' aka. 'multi-Eternity' (trans-infinite prime Multiverse)
2. Aspects of Eternity (singular alternate Universes)

Infinity (the other side that makes up the foundation of Reality)
also shares this make-up.

Logic suggests, the rest of the manifested Concepts fall under the same idea.

Originally posted by kgkg

Marvel has been using the term Multiverse since the SW era ( a long time) ,

and ever since than Eternity has been refered to as reality of a Universe.

The Marvel Universe then (in ecret Wars as you pointed out) was a Multiverse:

This the Beyonder in SS,
the writer is telling us how he just discovered that our Universe (Eternity)
is in fact, a Multiverse

"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"
Namely that it is many-layered,
composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions,

indeed, it is a Multiverse"

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And as we know, Eternity was/is the Universe in that series/before and after:

(from Secret Wars)

Originally posted by kgkg

I do agree that there has been some evidence of Eternity being Multiverse since logically if other abstacts has been shown to be multiversal effect that Eternity must also be multiversal/ or have a multiversal concept.

Originally posted by kgkg

point being marvel has never been claear on it's postion of multiversal/universal differences when showing eternity evidence for both sides exist.

"and where one Eternity would ensure a boudless Universe,
a multi-Eternity would ensure a boundless Multiverse"

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That's All of Eternity, or Eternity's totality better said, it's the infinite prime Multiverse!

Captain Universe, to differentiate Eternity's totality with his Aspects,
nick named Eternity, 'multi-Eternity' ... but ... he was speaking about Eternity:

"What was revealed to me through the Cosmic Entity known as ETERNITY"

Originally posted by kgkg

Not necessary
how does one know if the Eternity is being referred the universal aspect or multiversal

An Aspect of Eternity (a single universal space/time continuum) was nullified.

"I am the spirit of the Universe that once existed here.

I am an aspect of all Eternity

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(Eternity was nigh-infinite at this time .... now Eternity is completely infinite)

"Of the nigh-infinite number of Aspects that comprise my Totality,

I am the only Aspect to succumb to death"

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See, Eternity's conscious totality is the infinite prime Multiverse,
his Aspects, make up individual Universes,
but notice that,
even the individual Universes, refer to themselves as if they were Eternity the Multiverse.

This is because Eternity is one consciousness, everything within the prime Multiverse.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Because universal aspects are alternate realities,
stated on panel by a Universal Aspect of Eternity:

An Aspect of Eternity (a single universal space/time continuum) was nullified.

See, Eternity's conscious totality is the infinite prime Multiverse,
his Aspects, make up individual Universes,
but notice that,
even the individual Universes, refer to themselves as if they were Eternity the Multiverse.

This is because Eternity is one consciousness, everything within the prime Multiverse.

I am sure you have seen some proof of that , which contradicts some of those scans you posted.

All I am saying is its not clear cut as it is shown.

Rest of you points I will address it when I get home hopefully

And we getting off topic :/

Originally posted by kgkg

I agree but like I said Eternity has been referred to a single reality more often than not

I am sure you have seen some proof of that , which contradicts some of those scans you posted.

Eternity is the manifested sentience of the prime Multiverse.

616 contains his heart, all stems from there.
Aspects of Eternity are the manifested sentient fragments of Eternity.
(all manifestations of Eternity are Aspects dressed in M-bodies, but 616 is special)

They are both called Eternity. (this is perhaps why it's confusing)

Basically, from what we've seen on panel,
616 Eternity contains the power of his totality,
creating everything from his core, located in 616.

Alternate Eternitys have been depicted as solely Universal.

Originally posted by kgkg

All I am saying is its not clear cut as it is shown.

Rest of you points I will address it when I get home hopefully

There's nothing really to address friend,
the fact that Eternity embodies the consciousness of the prime Multiverse,
can not be argued.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't see any contradictions good friend,
it's simple:

Eternity is the manifested sentience of the prime Multiverse.

616 contains his heart, all stems from there.
Aspects of Eternity are the manifested sentient fragments of Eternity.
(all manifestations of Eternity are Aspects dressed in M-bodies, but 616 is special)

They are both called Eternity. (this is perhaps why it's confusing)

Basically, from what we've seen on panel,
616 Eternity contains the power of his totality,
creating everything from his core, located in 616.

Alternate Eternitys have been depicted as solely Universal.

Contradictions lies wording like of how the universe was created and how the old eternity fused with Galan. Another example would be when humans would one day replace eternity to create the new universe when 616 ends . Or when Reed knowledge was the founding force of creation.

Imo there are contraction off course you can make theories to fit things in. but I remember many times the destruction of Eternity has been the destruction of the universe.

Few times Choas and Order has stated that they transcend or are not effect or outside Eternity realm Beings like Infinites have also seem to come beyond eternity creation.

Imo, it is clear cut, makes perfect sense to me.

and remember am not dying there is multi-Eternity my point was eternity has been referred to as universal more times than not

I further guess that without Arishem and the Celestials there would be no Onslaught since they created the X-gene.

Since onslaught is pure thought....................we could go on to say that without thought there would be no Celestials.

This is the case where the student has well and truly surpassed the teacher. Where the creation has become the ultimate creator.

Put it this way, Onslaught is a creature that could think things into being. He even made the sun in a blink of an eye.

nothing you say is true.

Evolution is a natural order of things, with or without the Celestials.......................so nothing you say is true!!

Originally posted by monaroCountry
Since onslaught is pure thought....................we could go on to say that without thought there would be no Celestials.

This is the case where the student has well and truly surpassed the teacher. Where the creation has become the ultimate creator.

Put it this way, Onslaught is a creature that could think things into being. He even made the sun in a blink of an eye.

🙄

CUBE BEINGS

Originally posted by monaroCountry
Evolution is a natural order of things, with or without the Celestials.......................so nothing you say is true!!

All you have is that Onslaught created a star. Big whoop.

All you could say is Arishem is cosmic being (yeah like that really hold any water) or Arishem destroyed this or fought this.............its always been my view that creating something is far more difficult than merely destroying something.

There have been many cosmic beings and many so called gods that were beaten my lowly mortals.

Onslaughts done nothing impressive, nothing at all.

Except do the most damage to the main marvel universe heroes....his actions had a direct and long lasting affect on most earth heroes including the FF, Avengers, Spiderman, and Xmen.

And one move by Arishem had the strongest canon effect on the entire earth Pantheon they was restricted to not interfere with the mortal races for 2000 years.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And one move by Arishem had the strongest canon effect on the entire earth Pantheon they was restricted to not interfere with the mortal races for 2000 years.

OWNED

The Celestials created Humanity,
which then became Mutants,
which then created Onslaught.

The Celestial's are the reason Mankind will become greater Gods than the LT.

They actually intentionally did this, and the cosmic hierarchy indulged and accepted it.

No greater impact on a race than that, heck, the ultimate influence on all levels.

Arishem>Onslaught. Simple

Any 1 Celestial>Onslaught.

Onslaught vs Current Tiamut would be a good fight 😖hifty: