Onslaught vs Arishem

Originally posted by monaroCountry
Lol again show me scans of skyfather power affecting ALL marvel heroes universe. Uatu IS the main watcher within the Marvel Universe. Also notice the chaos within the astral plane (which is a mirror to the physical; plane).

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Im tired of continually providing proof. Its about time that you show some yourself. So show me this credible proof that you talk about......any scans?

Also what is the Pheonix Force? In X-Men Phoenix Endsong/Warsong, Jean informs the PF that she (Jean) and the PF are one and the same. I can provide scans for this as well (actually I have in another thread).

This is Jean Grey

This is the Jean Grey Pheonix Force the same that destroys stars

Skyfathers like odin have affected galaxies before much larger than plain marvel earth or its heroes.

tired of continuously providing proof? Well sorry but ur arguements have been defeated multiple times in the past and the proof u have provided has bin shown to be inaccuate. At any rate i dont feel like getting into an argument with someone that thinks magneto can beat the silver surfer so ill just leave u to whitewitch king.

Here's a question: If a mutant like Franklin Richards is celestial-level, why is a composite mutant made up from Magneto, Xavier, Nate Grey, and Franklin Richards not?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Here's a question: If a mutant like Franklin Richards is celestial-level, why is a composite mutant made up from Magneto, Xavier, Nate Grey, and Franklin Richards not?

It's like if you have a glass of concentrated sulphuric acid - it's powerful stuff.

Then you add 3 glasses of water to it. Now it's not so powerful anymore.

Originally posted by monaroCountry
Galactus is a major cosmic being, yet the Watcher was able to give him a proper fight. The watcher isnt powerless, even so Uatu was worried enough about Onslaught.

But worried enough to engage him in a fight... Not worried enough to contact other watchers as it was done when Maelstrom threatened the Universe, Not worried enough to contact other cosmic beings, just worried/concerned which Uatu has been on multiply occasions.

A proper fight? The watcher landed one hit, Galactus shoot one eyeblast and owned him and Galactus was very weak on power, yet owned him with ease, if you call that a proper fight...

Originally posted by Enyalus
Here's a question: If a mutant like Franklin Richards is celestial-level, why is a composite mutant made up from Magneto, Xavier, Nate Grey, and Franklin Richards not?

Doesn't he just have the potential to become celestial level? I don't think he's that level as a child.

Originally posted by monaroCountry
LMAO did you somehow fall asleep and forget about the Pheonix Force getting manhandled by Onslaught?

Skyfathers like odin have affected galaxies before much larger than plain marvel earth or its heroes.

tired of continuously providing proof? Well sorry but ur arguements have been defeated multiple times in the past and the proof u have provided has bin shown to be inaccuate. At any rate i dont feel like getting into an argument with someone that thinks magneto can beat the silver surfer so ill just leave u to whitewitch king.

So does this mean that you cant provide proof? From memory Odin hasn’t affected the main Marvel Universe heroes and caused as much stir as Onslaught. Onslaught went far beyond marvel Earth his existence affected the whole Marvel universe. His eventual aim was to recreate the universe. These acts alone is far grander than Odin and his little Asgard relm.

It's like if you have a glass of concentrated sulphuric acid - it's powerful stuff.

Then you add 3 glasses of water to it. Now it's not so powerful anymore.

This isn’t the case with Onslaught. With Onslaught what you have is a strong psionic (Xavier) and even stronger psionic (Franklin) and the strongest psionic (Xman) being boosted by the electromagnetic powers of Magneto. The end result is a being far more powerful than it’s individual parts.

A proper fight? The watcher landed one hit, Galactus shoot one eyeblast and owned him and Galactus was very weak on power, yet owned him with ease, if you call that a proper fight...

Galactus is always weak nothing new there, that’s basically his default setting. The avengers on their own also gave Galactus a good fight, even Thor was enough to keep the cosmically powered Silver Surfer a good punch up. Note that Thor got owned by one of Onslaught’s henchman.

Doesn't he just have the potential to become celestial level? I don't think he's that level as a child.

Child Franklin does have the potential to become celestial level, he just cant access it because of some psionic blocks. I would even say that Xman has this same potential but like Franklin his body wouldn’t be able to stand it.

What an accomplishment...considering a Shi'ar laser has done the same.

Galactus has also been knocked off by many non cosmic beings.

Originally posted by monaroCountry
Skyfather a cosmic being? Heck unlike Onslaught, Odin needed to wield swords or Arishem who needed some formula to kill the population of earth. Again Onslaught's mere existence was destroying the universe.

Yes skyfathers are cosmic beings, not cosmic entities. I asked you for cosmic entities: Eternity, Infinity, Death, Chaos, Order, etc. You provided me with exactly what I expected: Uatu and Apocalypse. WOW.

My reference to skyfathers is that Arishem and the Celestials presence brought forth the skyfathers. While Onslaught, who's supposedly threatening the universe according to Apocalypse, draws the attention of the Earth heroes. LOL. If he was such a threat, Uatu wouldn't just stand around and not contact the higher powers. He does not and no cosmic entities showed up thus Onslaught was not a threat to the cosmos, even skyfathers didn't show up to fight him - cause the heroes took him down.

Oh probably close to onslaught as well who is effectively thought.

LMAO did you somehow fall asleep and forget about the Pheonix Force getting manhandled by Onslaught? [/B]

Uh, yeah, so did Magneto/Xorn.

Originally posted by monaroCountry
So does this mean that you cant provide proof? From memory Odin hasn’t affected the main Marvel Universe heroes and caused as much stir as Onslaught.

He did. His battle with Seth rippled throughout reality and felt by a number of heroes. His fights wreck galaxies as opposed to Onslut.

Onslaught went far beyond marvel Earth his existence affected the whole Marvel universe.

Did this really happen or is it just in your head? Oh, you mean Apocalypse's comment? The same Apocalypse he can't even take over the world, while Doom has done so like twice?

His eventual aim was to recreate the universe.

Yeah, right. Wanting to is one thing, having the power to do so is another. This lame villain couldn't even beat earth heroes.

These acts alone is far grander than Odin and his little Asgard relm.

What act? Trying to drop a sun on to Earth or getting beaten by mere Earth heroes?

Odin wrecks galaxies and nearly killed Hela only to spare her.

This isn’t the case with Onslaught. With Onslaught what you have is a strong psionic (Xavier) and even stronger psionic (Franklin) and the strongest psionic (Xman) being boosted by the electromagnetic powers of Magneto. The end result is a being far more powerful than it’s individual parts.

The sum of which couldn't even beat Earth heroes.

Onslaught Vs Earth Heroes: Heroes won!
Arishem Vs. 3 Skyfathers: Arishem curbstomps!

Galactus is always weak nothing new there, that’s basically his default setting

Nope. That's his default setting when he hits Earth to give the Earth the win.

The avengers on their own also gave Galactus a good fight, even Thor was enough to keep the cosmically powered Silver Surfer a good punch up. Note that Thor got owned by one of Onslaught’s henchman.

Which issue are you talking about? And Galactus is not Arishem.

Child Franklin does have the potential to become celestial level, he just cant access it because of some psionic blocks. I would even say that Xman has this same potential but like Franklin his body wouldn’t be able to stand it.

X-Man is not even close to Franklin's potential. Truth is, Onslaught was BEATEN, BEATEN, BEATEN BY EARTH HEROES. Arishem beat skyfathers!! Potential is their but it's obvious Onslaught couldn't access it.

Galactus has also been knocked off by many non cosmic beings. [/B]

???Who? He's never been outright killed by any of them like Phoenix has.

Originally posted by monaroCountry
Galactus is a major cosmic being, yet the Watcher was able to give him a proper fight. The watcher isnt powerless, even so Uatu was worried enough about Onslaught.

And Galactus killed Uatu...

Originally posted by monaroCountry
Odin hasn’t affected the main Marvel Universe heroes and caused as much stir as Onslaught.

As far as Onslaught causing a stir and people caring about him...you'll note that it was only because each team had a vested interest:

-X-Men cared because Onslaught was a mutant threat...and because Xavier was captured.

-Fantastic Four cared because their son was captured.

-Avengers cared because X-Man came crawling to them begging for help.

-Various Marvel villains cared because they, (esp. Doom), were looking to capitalize on the carnage.

Onslaught went far beyond marvel Earth his existence affected the whole Marvel universe.

His eventual aim was to recreate the universe. These acts alone is far grander than Odin and his little Asgard relm.

And as WWK said...wanting something, and having the power to actually do it, are two different things. Apocalypse has always wanted to conquer the world...yet he can't seem to get past a few little mutants.

This isn’t the case with Onslaught. With Onslaught what you have is a strong psionic (Xavier) and even stronger psionic (Franklin) and the strongest psionic (Xman) being boosted by the electromagnetic powers of Magneto. The end result is a being far more powerful than it’s individual parts.

Galactus is always weak nothing new there, that’s basically his default setting. The avengers on their own also gave Galactus a good fight,

even Thor was enough to keep the cosmically powered Silver Surfer a good punch up.

Note that Thor got owned by one of Onslaught’s henchman.

Galactus has also been knocked off by many non cosmic beings.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Isn't that a What-If?

And Galactus killed Uatu...

Uh, if the Milky Way galaxy was one of those galaxies wrecked by Odin's epic clash, then I'm sure it would do more than merely 'affect' the Marvel heroes.

So do you have any scans on how he did this? Can you also answer me why on some instances Odin has trouble beating a lesser being when he has the power to wreak the Universe?

Onslaught at his core was nothing more than a demonic-looking parasite...with electromagnetic powers. He then siphoned Xavier's telepathic powers, and kicked him to the curb...but he was in no way in control or command of Franklin's or Nate's powers to the extent of them actually being his. He was using them like Infinity Gems.

The same with Odin and Galactus, an evolved version of some swamp creature, turned monkeys etc. Unlike Odin and Galactus, Onslaught was never a flesh creature he was always a creature borne of pure energy made real through the desires and disappointments of two mortals.

X-Man is not even close to Franklin's potential. Truth is, Onslaught was BEATEN, BEATEN, BEATEN BY EARTH HEROES. Arishem beat skyfathers!! Potential is their but it's obvious Onslaught couldn't access it.

Franklin is not the most powerful psionic mutant Xman was. Xman is the most powerful psionic in all realities (as proven in the Onslaught Saga). Franklin’s feats have in most instances been highly exaggerated or incorrect. Franklin was the easiest of Onslaught’s targets, X man the hardest.

Can you prove your misguided theory of Onslaught not being able to access Franklin’s powers? Have you seen Franklin affect reality as much as Onslaught. BTW don’t use the pocket universe as example, I could provide a scan claiming that Franklin didn’t create it.

???Who? He's never been outright killed by any of them like Phoenix has.

In a What if the age of Apoc never ended. Galactus was killed by the psionic powers of mutants/humans which was wielded by a single person. Onslaught wields the psionic powers of ALL LIVING BEINGS so Onslaught should be able to take down Galactus.

Onslaught loses badly here. He's done nothing a cube being couldn't duplicate easily and Celestials>>>>Cube Beings.

Originally posted by monaroCountry
So do you have any scans on how he did this? Can you also answer me why on some instances Odin has trouble beating a lesser being when he has the power to wreak the Universe?

The same with Odin and Galactus, an evolved version of some swamp creature, turned monkeys etc. Unlike Odin and Galactus, Onslaught was never a flesh creature he was always a creature borne of pure energy made real through the desires and disappointments of two mortals.

Franklin is not the most powerful psionic mutant Xman was. Xman is the most powerful psionic in all realities (as proven in the Onslaught Saga). Franklin’s feats have in most instances been highly exaggerated or incorrect. Franklin was the easiest of Onslaught’s targets, X man the hardest.

Can you prove your misguided theory of Onslaught not being able to access Franklin’s powers? Have you seen Franklin affect reality as much as Onslaught. BTW don’t use the pocket universe as example, I could provide a scan claiming that Franklin didn’t create it.

In a What if the age of Apoc never ended. Galactus was killed by the psionic powers of mutants/humans which was wielded by a single person. Onslaught wields the psionic powers of ALL LIVING BEINGS so Onslaught should be able to take down Galactus.

I've already provided scans of Odin wrecking a galaxy in this thread. Don't be lazy. Lastly, Cube Beings ARE pure energy and two of them were wary of getting close to a Celestial.

So there you have it, Arishem wins, thanks for playing...even if we gang raped you in this thread.

Originally posted by monaroCountry
Galactus is always weak nothing new there, that’s basically his default setting. The avengers on their own also gave Galactus a good fight, even Thor was enough to keep the cosmically powered Silver Surfer a good punch up. Note that Thor got owned by one of Onslaught’s henchman.

Actually Galactus is always weak when visiting earth furthermore Galactus always wants to set up his elementary conventer when he is on earth, Why do you think that is done? To give earth a chance to survive the last time Galactus wanted to devour earth the heroes couldn't stop him and Galactus immobilised the Surfer with a thought, The Surfer then toke Galactus to the Shi'ar thinking they could defeat him, the result was that the Shi'ar Armada, Starjammers, FF, Gladiator, Avengers, Kree and Skrull couldn't defeat him they needed the Surfer to use Galactus own tech against him else they wouldn't have defeated him. You mean a fight like Uatu gave? And Thor was ultimately killed. Which one? Holocaust? which wasn't a henceman of Onslaught.

Originally posted by monaroCountry
Child Franklin does have the potential to become celestial level, he just cant access it because of some psionic blocks. I would even say that Xman has this same potential but like Franklin his body wouldn’t be able to stand it.

He doesn't have the feats to support him being on Franklins level of power.

Originally posted by monaroCountry
Galactus has also been knocked off by many non cosmic beings.

Really who?

Originally posted by monaroCountry
In a What if the age of Apoc never ended. Galactus was killed by the psionic powers of mutants/humans which was wielded by a single person. Onslaught wields the psionic powers of ALL LIVING BEINGS so Onslaught should be able to take down Galactus.

Last time I checked the rules it said that you're not allowed to cite non-canon sources as evidence in a debate. Personally I think you should be banned for breaking the rules...and for general stupidity. But that's just me.

you're not allowed to cite non-canon sources as evidence in a debate.

Would non canon source include cosmic beings destroying the M Universe yet their actions having no affects on MU heroes? There has never been a crossover like the Onslaught saga. Face it your precious cosmic beings havent dont anything worth while.

He doesn't have the feats to support him being on Franklins level of power.

So what feats of Franklin are you talking about? Creating the pocket universe? Wow from the Onslaught saga Franklin didnt create the pocket Universe.

As for uber power wasnt Franklin in his adult state get taken out and killed by a sentinel? You would expect a galactus level mutant to easily stnd up and survive gainst one sentinel.

Fact is that Franklins powers like other cosmic beings have been highly exagerated.

Actually Galactus is always weak when visiting earth furthermore Galactus always wants to set up his elementary conventer when he is on earth, Why do you think that is done?

Oh here comes the excuses. Galctus' default setting should be weak!!!!

Holocaust? which wasn't a henceman of Onslaught.

You want to bet on this? Hold for a moment and stop talking out of your a$$ you know how silly you just sounded? Read the Onslaught saga.

I've already provided scans of Odin wrecking a galaxy in this thread. Don't be lazy. Lastly, Cube Beings ARE pure energy and two of them were wary of getting close to a Celestial.

Oh that little scan? I didnt see any galaxy wreking ht I saw was some creating and very flowery writing. So what do you think Onslaught was? Onslaught was always a being of pure energy. If he succeded in his plans he would have killed off all living things, this would have included the much hyped about Celestials.

Why are people even arguing with this guy? He is obviously just a big joker.

Originally posted by monaroCountry
Would non canon source include cosmic beings destroying the M Universe yet their actions having no affects on MU heroes? There has never been a crossover like the Onslaught saga. Face it your precious cosmic beings havent dont anything worth while.

What in God's name are you talking about? What do fictional cosmic beings have to do with your rule-breaking in the form of using non-canon stories as evidence?

Reported!

As for your rant about cosmic storylines, you're just talking gibberish.

So what feats of Franklin are you talking about? Creating the pocket universe? Wow from the Onslaught saga Franklin didnt create the pocket Universe.

Ok I'll bite...who created the pocket universe?

Oh that little scan? I didnt see any galaxy wreking ht I saw was some creating and very flowery writing. So what do you think Onslaught was? Onslaught was always a being of pure energy. If he succeded in his plans he would have killed off all living things, this would have included the much hyped about Celestials.

That's the fanboy in you talking.

You have presented us with absolutely ZERO proof to back up your claims that Onslaught was A) a universal threat, and B) that he could wreak a level of destruction that would cause a Celestial to bat an eyelid. Just so you know, you're fooling nobody except yourself with your twisted, biased, and downright misguided claims.

Originally posted by monaroCountry
So what feats of Franklin are you talking about? Creating the pocket universe? Wow from the Onslaught saga Franklin didnt create the pocket Universe.

WoW then who did create the world "heroes reborn" and why did Ashema come to collect franklin and what pocket universe did she store inside her chest. Is marvel.com good enough for you ore do I have to get the scans? http://www.marvel.com/universe/Counter-Earth_(Franklin_Richards) Reconstucting Galactus. Just to mention a few.

Originally posted by monaroCountry
As for uber power wasnt Franklin in his adult state get taken out and killed by a sentinel? You would expect a galactus level mutant to easily stnd up and survive gainst one sentinel.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Originally posted by monaroCountry
Fact is that Franklins powers like other cosmic beings have been highly exagerated.

Really and Onslaught isn't being right now? Fact is that a Cosmic Cube that warped reality on a universal scale stated that his power was nothing next to a regular unknown Celestial.

Originally posted by monaroCountry
Oh here comes the excuses. Galctus' default setting should be weak!!!!

Yes a excuse to constantly allow earth to survive if Galactus really wanted to devour earth he could do it from afar, he could also just level the planet with a single blast which is entirely within his might. And his default setting is weak he is always out for the next meal but even at his low level of power he has demonstrated capacity far beyond Onslaught

Originally posted by monaroCountry
You want to bet on this? Hold for a moment and stop talking out of your a$$ you know how silly you just sounded? Read the Onslaught saga.

yes I do unfortunely I didn't have time to edit my post. One could also say read about the Celestials get a understanding of the cosmic abstracts and stop trying to pretend that a being which highest feat is the creation of a star and is said on panel to threaten the world stand any chance against a being that can warp a universe and delete a pocket dimension from existance.