So that explains the rumors I heard of their Extinction at the hands of the Ushgarak.
From what I gathered, he hated them with a fury, and purged them in a Stalin-Like way. To justify this particular 2x post...Awesomeness incarnate
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
From what I understand from these posts, you seem to be implying that Luke would not fight any differently then how he fought Vader (i.E., going all out, like using the darkside) because that's how he was trained to fight Sith and Dark Jedi. I'm saying you're wrong.If my interpretation is incorrect, feel free to correct me and specify what you mean.
Because going all out necessarily entails using the Dark Side...Oh, wait, it doesn't! Yes, I was implying he would go all out and aim to kill, but no, using the Dark Side is irrelevant. Luke's training was complete, he was a Jedi Knight, he is a Skywalker, he kicked Vader's ass in a duel, he's going to beat Marek in a duel, too.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Yeah. Barely, considering he was also getting thrown around, kicked into pits, and getting the shit beat out of him, by a Vader who was toying with him and gauging his skills.
He never gets thrown around in the duel. Vader telekinetically throws objects at him. He gets backed into the pit, realizes his mistake, and Force jumps out. Prove Vader was simply toying with him, or don't use that opinion.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
What's the difference between our speculative points? Mine is backed by fact and logic. Yours... isn't.
Let's see: Luke is training to become a Jedi. Vader sees him after beating him in ESB, is able to see he's improved, and notes that, "Your training is complete." Ergo, he's a trained Jedi Knight. Speculation nothing. There's not even any lines to read between unless you bring up "Vader is a fallible third party source LULZ" And if that's your argument, then how exactly does he sense that his son is aboard the ship headed to Endor? Clearly, he knows his son. Clearly, he's already been a Jedi Knight. Clearly, he understands what the training involved entails.
Any other conclusion on your part is bullshit. Like your "facts and logic."
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Do you mean besides the last three pages or so, through which you've been told by and it's obvious to many people that you're being ridiculous?
You mean the mass of fanboys too stupid to admit that Galen Marek's Force abilities are exaggerated because the game developers say so? I could care less what they've told me.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
As you may or may not have noticed, I do more trolling then I do actual debating around here. Reason for that is because I have anger management issues and the longer a debate goes on the more irritable I become. I generally refrain from debating because of that. I'm actually breaking one of my own rules by screwing around with you and Ahnold because I promised myself a long time ago that if a debate lasted longer then a page I'd stop.
Ah, good to know. So you have mental issues. And I'm crying? Go take some Prozac and be quiet. I was relatively polite until you showed up and flamed me for no apparent reason.
Originally posted by DarkSerpent
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Originally posted by EnyalusBecause going all out necessarily entails using the Dark Side...Oh, wait, it doesn't! Yes, I was implying he would go all out and aim to kill, but no, using the Dark Side is irrelevant. Luke's training was complete, he was a Jedi Knight, he is a Skywalker, he kicked Vader's ass in a duel, he's going to beat Marek in a duel, too.
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Dude ,that was the only way he had any edge over Vader was by using the darkside. It's up to you to prove that he could "kick Vader's ass" (or Marek's ass for the matter) without using the darkside or that he can even contend with them because under normal circumstances he wouldn't. Furthermore him using the darkside is relavant because we saw in TPM that was the only way Obiwan could gain some type of advantage over Maul even if it didn't last to long.
Let's see: Luke is training to become a Jedi. Vader sees him after beating him in ESB, is able to see he's improved, and notes that, "Your training is complete." Ergo, he's a trained Jedi Knight. Speculation nothing. There's not even any lines to read between unless you bring up "Vader is a fallible third party source LULZ" And if that's your argument, then how exactly does he sense that his son is aboard the ship headed to Endor? Clearly, he knows his son. Clearly, he's already been a Jedi Knight. Clearly, he understands what the training involved entails.
Him being a jedi knight doesn't automatically mean he gets an uber power bonus that makes him capable of defeating vader. Especially with the type of training Luke did receive.
Not so sure about that. If you see the light side ending from TFU (the canon one), you see that starkiller were also in a DRAW in the lightning contest with sidious, something only seen when master yoda challenged him, and he only died because he blasted himself in order the save the senadors. Now, maybe sidious was still stronger then him, but if he was THAT close from sidious, if he can actually stop sidious' lightning with his bare hands and fire some off his one, then with vader's help, they may actually have a change of beating him.
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Dude ,that was the only way he had any edge over Vader was by using the darkside. It's up to you to prove that he could "kick Vader's ass" (or Marek's ass for the matter) without using the darkside or that he can even contend with them because under normal circumstances he wouldn't. Furthermore him using the darkside is relavant because we saw in TPM that was the only way Obiwan could gain some type of advantage over Maul even if it didn't last to long.
I'm supposed to prove ROTJ Luke can beat Vader without using the Dark Side, how, exactly, considering that we have nothing else to use as evidence? Why don't you prove he needed to use the Dark Side at all to compete and defeat Vader? There's nothing in the novel that states, "without Luke's use of the Dark Side, Vader would have easily been able to overcome his son's onslaught." Or something similar. Nothing.
By your same "it helped Obi-Wan in TPM against Maul" logic, it hurt Vader in ROTS against Obi-Wan.
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Him being a jedi knight doesn't automatically mean he gets an uber power bonus that makes him capable of defeating vader. Especially with the type of training Luke did receive.
Everyone I've ever spoken to believed that Luke's power and skill has increased from ESB to ROTJ. You don't?
Originally posted by Darth Angel
Not so sure about that. If you see the light side ending from TFU (the canon one), you see that starkiller were also in a DRAW in the lightning contest with sidious, something only seen when master yoda challenged him, and he only died because he blasted himself in order the save the senadors. Now, maybe sidious was still stronger then him, but if he was THAT close from sidious, if he can actually stop sidious' lightning with his bare hands and fire some off his one, then with vader's help, they may actually have a change of beating him.
He's "one with the Force" at that point - Star Wars' Deus Ex Machina.