why thank you.
On a side note, i dont believe that the 2 party system of government we have is at all effective, because of the constant bickering between parties which accomplishes nothing. However, a one party system has also been proven to fail, most notably the communist soviet russia. All this election is really turning into is Republican vs Democrat, hell, Hilary even said it: "We need a democrat to win!!!111!!!1!". Not we need obama to win, but a democrat. hmm. Your views?
Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
This is quite the election isn't it. Personally, i am for Mccain, because i dont trust obama as far as i can throw him. He has done nothing to prove that he can change jack shit, and he has zero executive experiace.
You know who else has zero executive experience? John McCain. Obama has actually helped to achieve just as much in his career as McCain in senate and unlike McCain he didn't ride on the 'Sacred POW' story every time an election came up.
And ANYONE should be blatantly insulted by McCain in this election, with the lies he's put forth and expected people to believe
The Republican party got f*cked over by the Bush administration. Now, they're compounding their problems by trying to stack Palin up there to satisfy women. I swear, if she calls herself a hockey mom one more time I'm going to hurt someone real bad.
What's worse than her idea of a good acceptance speech is that she got humiliated by Charlie Gibson. While he is quite certainly the man, he was fairly mellow in their interview. She didn't even know what the Bush Doctrine was. She's like "how do u mean, doctrine, wut doctrine?!" And Campbell Brown asked one of McCain's spokesmen for one example of Palin using the Alaskan National Guard, and he got pissed off at her.
The Republicans better f*cking lose this race.
What gets me is what a vindictive woman Palin is. She stocked the Alaska board with personal cronies, pursued personal vendettas in office and has shown she has zero respect for anything resembling rules or regulation. Her strict fundie stance? Her and McCain's usurpation of the 'change' logo? Yeah, Palin is pathetic. McCain even moreso.
That people figured he'd play an honorable campaign after what Bush did to him in 2000 is hilarious in retrospect
And who do you want to win? The virtually unknown, inexpierianced, Obama, who has nothing but "promises of change" to run on? Hell, give me a couple million bucks and i can do that. I am almost as qualified! All i gotta do is sit in the Chicago senete for a few years, doing nothing at all nothworthy, and then in the Senete for 2 years, continuing to do nothing noteworthy, and BOOM!!!! i can run for presidant. Come on. really? If there was a good third party candidate who had any chance of winning, they would have my vote. I am just going for the lesser of two evils.
Originally posted by LightsnakeLike everyone else, I respect McCain's service. But if he thinks that gives him White House credentials, he's sorely mistaken. He never was a man of vision; protect America, because it owns, is basically his mantra. And forgetting how many houses he has was the icing on the cake, for me. I lol'd when Biden picked that up.
What gets me is what a vindictive woman Palin is. She stocked the Alaska board with personal cronies, pursued personal vendettas in office and has shown she has zero respect for anything resembling rules or regulation. Her strict fundie stance? Her and McCain's usurpation of the 'change' logo? Yeah, Palin is pathetic. McCain even moreso.That people figured he'd play an honorable campaign after what Bush did to him in 2000 is hilarious in retrospect
Honestly, I'm not too sure about Obama myself, but I have complete faith in Biden. Outspoken, smart, experienced, and grounded in reality, although the "change" bit to Obama's campaign is dulled a tad when you consider that Biden has been in Washington longer than McCain has. Thing is, I know what McCain and Palin would do to this country. At worst, Obama is the lesser of two evils.
Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
And who do you want to win? The virtually unknown, inexpierianced, Obama, who has nothing but "promises of change" to run on? Hell, give me a couple million bucks and i can do that. I am almost as qualified! All i gotta do is sit in the Chicago senete for a few years, doing nothing at all nothworthy, and then in the Senete for 2 years, continuing to do nothing noteworthy, and BOOM!!!! i can run for presidant.
Come on. really? If there was a good third party candidate who had any chance of winning, they would have my vote. I am just going for the lesser of two evils.
As opposed to the guy with less experience who's been upfront and honest about what he's intended and has never pretended otherwise? Who picked an experienced man as his VP? Who has shown willingness to cross party lines and keep from sinking to the level of his opponents?
LS: "Voting aside"? That's how things get done in the Senate. If you set voting aside - which Obama does a lot considering his no-vote record - he's done nothing.
Faunus: In her defense, "Bush Doctrine" is quite vague. I mean, did Charlie mean, "Do you support the war in Iraq?" "Do you support the war on terror?" "Do you support the notion that God talks to presidents and tells them to invade places?" "Do you support ruining the US economy?" "Do you support selling nuclear secrets to India for a lower trade price of mangos?"
You know?
Originally posted by Faunus
Like everyone else, I respect McCain's service. But if he thinks that gives him White House credentials, he's sorely mistaken. He never was a man of vision; protect America, because it owns, is basically his mantra. And forgetting how many houses he has was the icing on the cake, for me. I lol'd when Biden picked that up.Honestly, I'm not too sure about Obama myself, but I have complete faith in Biden. Outspoken, smart, experienced, and grounded in reality, although the "change" bit to Obama's campaign is dulled a tad when you consider that Biden has been in Washington longer than McCain has. Thing is, I know what McCain and Palin would do to this country. At worst, Obama is the lesser of two evils.
And I've researched Obama enough to respect him a great deal. Biden as well, despite that 'plagiarism' nonsense the right's tried to brand him with. Frankly, though the attempts to portray Obama as an out of touch elitist given his background and upbringing compared to John McCain...it's absurd
Originally posted by Enyalus
LS: "Voting aside"? That's how things get done in the Senate. If you set voting aside - which Obama does a lot considering his no-vote record - he's done nothing.
Faunus: In her defense, "Bush Doctrine" is quite vague. I mean, did Charlie mean, "Do you support the war in Iraq?" "Do you support the war on terror?" "Do you support the notion that God talks to presidents and tells them to invade places?" "Do you support ruining the US economy?" "Do you support selling nuclear secrets to India for a lower trade price of mangos?"You know?
Oh, and did you hear McCain not even realizing who 'Zapatero' was in 'Spain' and went for generic saber rattling?
But maybe Obama would do something FAR WORSE than anything Mccain can do. or maybe he is Jesus sent down from heaven to save us. We dont know. But with the economy in the state that it is in, with the possibility of nuclear war between Iran and Isreal, Pakistan and Indea, North Korea and anywhere because Kin Jong Il is crazy, and my parents land of Russia starting to return to its Soviet tricks, can we afford to have Obama as president? Maybe he is Jesus and will fix all of that, but most likely, he wont. In fact, with his liberal views, he will make them worse. He should try telling Putin to nicely stop (i know Medvediv is president, but Putin is pulling the strings) and watch as Putin goes all KGB on his ass. Or he should tell Ahmididjhad to lay off of Isreal. Yeah, right. Or he should increase taxes and hope that the economy gets in order. no, no, no. He simply isn't the man for the job. If it were Biden, i agree, he is a far better candidate, but he isn't on the top of the ticket now is he?
Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
But maybe Obama would do something FAR WORSE than anything Mccain can do. or maybe he is Jesus sent down from heaven to save us. We dont know. But with the economy in the state that it is in, with the possibility of nuclear war between Iran and Isreal, Pakistan and Indea, North Korea and anywhere because Kin Jong Il is crazy, and my parents land of Russia starting to return to its Soviet tricks, can we afford to have Obama as president?
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Maybe he is Jesus and will fix all of that, but most likely, he wont. In fact, with his liberal views, he will make them worse. He should try telling Putin to nicely stop (i know Medvediv is president, but Putin is pulling the strings) and watch as Putin goes all KGB on his ass.[/Quote]
Because 'trying diplomacy first' means 'letting them walk all over you?'
And again...has Biden ceased to exist? A man with more foreign relation experience than ANY of the other three put together?
And 'make them worse?' How? Obama's views are respected. He's expressed willingness to talk before any hasty action...how does that equate to selling out?
Or he should tell Ahmididjhad to lay off of Isreal. Yeah, right.
Or he should increase taxes and hope that the economy gets in order. no, no, no. He simply isn't the man for the job. If it were Biden, i agree, he is a far better candidate, but he isn't on the top of the ticket now is he?
Originally posted by Enyalus
Barack Obama is the most arrogant politician I can ever, directly, remember.And his wife...my God...just, horrible.
It's a good thing we're not voting for his wife. Maybe we should talk about Todd Palin or Cindy or Megan McCain if we're playing that.
And 'arrogant?' Based on what? As opposed to John McCain? Or Bush? Or Dick freaking cheney? You jest
Originally posted by Null ARC AvisAnd how is McCain "the man for the job," Avis? At least Obama gets along excellently with foreign leaders; Europe is in love with him, India loves him, Pakistan would look to him before they would so much as think about dealing with "Rambo" McCain, etc. The list goes on. On foreign policy issues, he's already way ahead of his competitor, who is basically going to alienate the few allies we have left and completely ruin the positive relationships that Obama is cultivating.
But maybe Obama would do something FAR WORSE than anything Mccain can do. or maybe he is Jesus sent down from heaven to save us. We dont know. But with the economy in the state that it is in, with the possibility of nuclear war between Iran and Isreal, Pakistan and Indea, North Korea and anywhere because Kin Jong Il is crazy, and my parents land of Russia starting to return to its Soviet tricks, can we afford to have Obama as president? Maybe he is Jesus and will fix all of that, but most likely, he wont. In fact, with his liberal views, he will make them worse. He should try telling Putin to nicely stop (i know Medvediv is president, but Putin is pulling the strings) and watch as Putin goes all KGB on his ass. Or he should tell Ahmididjhad to lay off of Isreal. Yeah, right. Or he should increase taxes and hope that the economy gets in order. no, no, no. He simply isn't the man for the job. If it were Biden, i agree, he is a far better candidate, but he isn't on the top of the ticket now is he?
And seriously, nuclear war isn't a real threat at the moment. It's not even close to the top of the list, and yet Obama - on O'Reilly, no less - stated quite firmly that he would not take military action against Iran off the table, but he would much rather try to negotiate first. If no one else, he can pull it off.
EDIT -- And as trivial as it is, Michelle Obama would be the most badass First Lady ever, second only to the symbol that is Nancy Reagan.
Yes, i do believe that if we elect the man THAT THE TERRORISTS WANT TO BE OUR PRESIDENT, foreign nations will walk all over us.
You do realize that there are some extremists in positions of power that can't logically be reasoned with. Iran has said on MANY occasions that they will destroy Isreal. When they get nuclear weapons, guess what they are going to do?
'The terrorists' want him to be our President? That's nonsense. Plenty of LEGITIMATE FOREIGN LEADERS want him to be President, but you seem to discount that.
Obama has expressed a desire for diplomacy, McCain has constantly been rattling the saber. Whose similar policies have gotten us into the mess in the ME? HINT: It ain't Obama's!