ROTS Pre-Suit Vader vs. Galen Marek

Look, i dont know the intrecacies of Obama's positions. I would really appriciate it if one of you unbiasly outlined them for me.
And if the terrorists want him to win, it says a lot! it means they believe that they have a better chance at succeding in their goals if he were in power.

What they THINK is irrelevant to REALITY. And again...who's to say it's not a mindgame? Iraq was never a breeding ground for terrorists until we invaded it.

hmm, true, true. Damn things are complicated. This election sucks nuts. Quite interesting though.

Truth. Hussein's exploits were outside the nation - for the most part, while we can hardly call it a paradise, the people were safe if they minded their business. Now? You step out the door and get shot in the face.

An American raid killed eight innocent people yesterday, btw.

IMO, Iraq's been a hell under Saddam and it's been a hell for a while now.

Problem was, we turned it really bad when our objective should have been AFGHANISTAN

War is a great thing. It's humanity's version of natural selection.

Why so many are quivering scared of it, is beyond me.

casualties of war. collatoral damage. sucks, but shit happens. Still hussain was a monster. He frieken poisoned mustard! and he did commit acts of genocide in Iraq, and i do believe he had to be taken out of power, much like Hitler. The occupatoin though...

Originally posted by Lightsnake
IMO, Iraq's been a hell under Saddam and it's been a hell for a while now.

Problem was, we turned it really bad when our objective should have been AFGHANISTAN

Originally posted by Enyalus
War is a great thing. It's humanity's version of natural selection.

Why so many are quivering scared of it, is beyond me.

Because it's all well and good until you're the one being naturally selected.

Originally posted by Enyalus
War is a great thing. It's humanity's version of natural selection.

Why so many are quivering scared of it, is beyond me.

I'm assuming you're a Soldier who's lost his entire family to war then, right?

cant we just nuke the mountains where we think he is hiding? i mean, why not? lol, but really, what the hell is going on with Afghanistan? we only have a few thousand troops there dont we. i heard somewhere that it was like 4.5 thousand. thats NOTHING!

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Because it's all well and good until you're the one being naturally selected.

Stercus accidit.

For those of you who don't know Latin - pay attention. The greatest phrase in the history of communication combined with the most eloquent language of all time: shit happens.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
casualties of war. collatoral damage. sucks, but shit happens. Still hussain was a monster. He frieken poisoned mustard! and he did commit acts of genocide in Iraq, and i do believe he had to be taken out of power, much like Hitler. The occupatoin though...

Yeah, 'shit happens' except when you're the one being killed. We KNOW what Saddam did and the time for moral outrage was when he was DOING IT. There are other crimes going on in the Sudan, for one, and we haven't launched an offensive at their heart.

Saddam should have been taken out long ago, but not then, not when we had Bin Laden, Sheik Mohammed and Zawahiri on the loose, not when we had no strategy and managed a massive military blunder.

IT should have been done later, differently and better. Period. There was NO reason we should have been mired there for so long and lost as many people as we did

Originally posted by Enyalus
Stercus accidit.

For those of you who don't know Latin - pay attention. The greatest phrase in the history of written communication combined with the most eloquent language of all time: shit happens.

Except when you're the one it's happening to. As a student of warfare, you should know how inglorious it is.

War is not natural selection. War is attrition and murder for the gain of resources. Natural selection weeds the weak individuals out from the strong based on genetics and adaptability, and this benefits the species as a whole; bullets don't discriminate. Bullets don't help. As human beings with the capability for higher thought, we should damn well be able to come up with better solutions than blowing everyone to pieces.

wait, didn't Zawahiri rise to power in Iraq as the terrorist leader there? or was he Bin Ladins right hand man? shit, i hate these names! Still, we can say going into Iraq was stupid now as much as we want, but that doesn't change the fact that IT HAPPENED! now what?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Stercus accidit.

For those of you who don't know Latin - pay attention. The greatest phrase in the history of communication combined with the most eloquent language of all time: shit happens.

Basically, idiotic.

Al-Zawahiri, Bin Laden's number 2.

It happened. So we fix up our mess, get out and make sure it doesn't happen again. Something McCain doesn't seem to grasp with his want to continue the Bush admin's policies

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
cant we just nuke the mountains where we think he is hiding? i mean, why not?

Still, we can say going into Iraq was stupid now as much as we want, but that doesn't change the fact that IT HAPPENED! now what?

the region is already a breeding ground for terrorists. If we pull out, it will go unchecked. then shit will REALLY happen. We have to finish the job, one way or another. and we are making progress. More benchmarks have been met than ever before. Soon, hopefully, the Iraqi police and millitary will be able to "take control" of the situation (poor bastards).