Originally posted by Lightsnake
It's a good thing we're not voting for his wife. Maybe we should talk about Todd Palin or Cindy or Megan McCain if we're playing that.And 'arrogant?' Based on what? As opposed to John McCain? Or Bush? Or Dick freaking cheney? You jest
How about making a pre-presidential speach in front of 200,000 people in Germany, something never been done before. Or accepting the DMC nomination in a f*cking stadium with Greek columns in the background. The idiot is beyond narcissistic. Especially with dipshit quotes like, "We are the ones we've been waiting for," and his flunkies and brainwashed supporters referring to him as 'the chosen one' and other equally absurd garbage.
And even if he had a perfectly spotless record and was a model of modesty, the simple fact remains that guess what? We're at war with a Middle Eastern country with tensions mounting with another (Iran), attacked by Islamic extremists and have declared a war on Islamic terrorism.
If we were at the height of the Cold War and there was a Russian American named Boris Borishnikov running for president, no one would trust nor elect him. Better safe and paranoid than blindly trusting in a vague concept like "change" and screwed.
Bush brought lots of "change" to America. How'd that work out? Politicians have been promising to "change" America for 60+ years. It means absolutely nothing. Especially when coming from someone who has such naked ambition like Obama.
Originally posted by Null ARC AvisI don't give a damn who the terrorists would prefer to be our President. No one should. The only foreigners whose opinions we should care about at the moment are those looking to us for assistance, those who may be potential allies, and those that are currently under out "occupation." I don't recall anything good ever coming out of electing a leader simply because the enemy would prefer the other guy. JM's ego would ruin us even more, both in terms of our economy and how the world sees us.
bashing isn't very civil now is it gentlemen. i would like it if you refrained from it. Let me ask you, who do YOU think that terrorists would rather our president be?
Originally posted by Enyalus
How about making a pre-presidential speach in front of 200,000 people in Germany, something never been done before.
Or accepting the DMC nomination in a f*cking stadium with Greek columns in the background. The idiot is beyond narcissistic.
and 'idiot?' Please. 'Beyond narcissistic?' Based on what? You don't like the setting he picked there?
Especially with dipshit quotes like, "We are the ones we've been waiting for," and his flunkies and brainwashed supporters referring to him as 'the chosen one' and other equally absurd garbage.
Oh, and do me a favor: don't take quotes out of context. Because what's what you kind of just did.
And even if he had a perfectly spotless record and was a model of modesty, the simple fact remains that guess what? We're at war with a Middle Eastern country with tensions mounting with another (Iran), attacked by Islamic extremists and have declared a war on Islamic terrorism.
If we were at the height of the Cold War and there was a Russian American named Boris Borishnikov running for president, no one would trust nor elect him. Better safe and paranoid than blindly trusting in a vague concept like "change" and screwed.
Bush brought lots of "change" to America. How'd that work out? Politicians have been promising to "change" America for 60+ years It means absolutely nothing. Especially when coming from someone who has such naked ambition like Obama. [/B]
And saying Obama's only been saying hope and change means you know very little about the man. He's defined many of his positions and made them very clear beyond change. Saying he'll change it and then detailing how he means to? Yeah, that's a positive. But I wouldn't expect Fox news to focus much on that
Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
Let me try to analyze this. We are both saying that the other guy is worse. Our guy ain't to good, but at least he isnt completely awful. hmm...
No, we're saying you're being really, really thick and naive.
Your argument is 'If Obama becomes President the terrorists win?'
So they might want him to be President, so ****ing what? Maybe it's a mind game to get people to vote for McCain. Or maybe what they say means dick to our election. Numerous foreign leaders are behind Obama. They love him in Europe, for one. He's promised strategies that might actually WORK to help in our issues worldwide.
So please. Spare me.
I'm divorcing myself from this thread unless a new on topic opinion presents itself.
I've made my stance known. I really don't feel the need to debate my dislike of Obama or his wife.
No hard feelings. It's simply obvious that no one's opinion will change and there's no 'conceding' involved with something like this.
Politicians promise a lot. they have great plans! guess what. they are lucky if even 10% of them get put into action, much less work. I dont trust Obama for a second. Its all too farfeched. and Obama has flipfloped A LOT! First he was against off shore drilling, then, when 70% of america is for it, so is he! First he wanted to get the troops out of there right away, then as the war gained back some popularity, he said he wanted to remove them a bit at a time. I dont trust him.
Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
Politicians promise a lot. they have great plans! guess what. they are lucky if even 10% of them get put into action, much less work. I dont trust Obama for a second. Its all too farfeched. and Obama has flipfloped A LOT! First he was against off shore drilling, then, when 70% of america is for it, so is he! First he wanted to get the troops out of there right away, then as the war gained back some popularity, he said he wanted to remove them a bit at a time. I dont trust him.
The guy promising to make things better vs. the guy promising to continue policies that have made things worse. And 'flipflopped?' No, he admitted he was incorrect on a matter when confronted with facts. Same with the surge and he SAID AS MUCH He's STILL going on time tables and even McCain has adopted those. He's ALWAYS called for gradual withdrawal when immediate became unfeasible.
Compare and contrast to John McCain in 2000 and John McCain in 2008....the 'maverick' vs. the 'conservative whore.'
Originally posted by Null ARC AvisThe war never got more popular, and he never stated that he would just yank the troops out upon inauguration. He didn't completely change his stance on off-shore drilling - he just altered it, treating it as a consideration. Not to mention that McCain only began supporting it in June.
Politicians promise a lot. they have great plans! guess what. they are lucky if even 10% of them get put into action, much less work. I dont trust Obama for a second. Its all too farfeched. and Obama has flipfloped A LOT! First he was against off shore drilling, then, when 70% of america is for it, so is he! First he wanted to get the troops out of there right away, then as the war gained back some popularity, he said he wanted to remove them a bit at a time. I dont trust him.