Revan Vs Starkiller (at his awesome prime)

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
PROOF? please opinion and theories DO NOT COUNT, Galen Marek>Revan in terms of CANONICAL things he has displayed. Now Revan>Krayt Dragon, No he used bombs to take it down, how does that count for anything, you wanna use gameplay, if you walk into thje Krayt Dragon Cave you immediately die. And whether you think its impossible for him to extend his blade is irrelevant. It is canon and, and some lightsabers can extend BTW, it is possible. We do not know how powerful Malak was, or Bandon for that matter so to say one Unknown> another Unknown, is going to get us no were. Prove to me that Galen cannot thrash Revan with the force as he did to Vader, prove to me that he won't electrocute the living god out of him as he did to Shaak Ti. Prove that Revan>Galen Marek. The comic also depicts the explosion as being kilometers wide, this is impossible unless the Emperor can survive the vaccum of space. And the comic never says he threw a Shield generator at him I Have The Comic on my laptop.

Name one time I cited a gameplay mechanic as canical evidence. I was refuting those arguments because they are nothing more than gameplay mechanics that were being cited.

Or else feats that could be done by any Jedi who was clear-minded enough.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
PROOF? please opinion and theories DO NOT COUNT, Galen Marek>Revan in terms of CANONICAL things he has displayed. Now Revan>Krayt Dragon, No he used bombs to take it down, how does that count for anything, you wanna use gameplay, if you walk into thje Krayt Dragon Cave you immediately die. And whether you think its impossible for him to extend his blade is irrelevant. It is canon and, and some lightsabers can extend BTW, it is possible. We do not know how powerful Malak was, or Bandon for that matter so to say one Unknown> another Unknown, is going to get us no were. Prove to me that Galen cannot thrash Revan with the force as he did to Vader, prove to me that he won't electrocute the living god out of him as he did to Shaak Ti. Prove that Revan>Galen Marek. The comic also depicts the explosion as being kilometers wide, this is impossible unless the Emperor can survive the vaccum of space. And the comic never says he threw a Shield generator at him I Have The Comic on my laptop.

Question for you, do you see Galen Marek as being able to rule to Sith during the time of Kotor?

Nope Galen Marek lacks the intelligence, and not to mention the charisma of Revan, he is by no means a leader, but he is a duelist. @JAC then I apologize I misread your comment

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
prove to me that he [Starkiller] won't electrocute the living god out of him as he did to Shaak Ti.

And when did this happen?

Originally posted by Kotor3
Question for you, do you see Galen Marek as being able to rule to Sith during the time of Kotor?

Not being able to rule doesn't mean he wasn't more powerful then Revan or vice-versa . He wasn't raised by Vader to rule anything he an extension of Vader's will for most of his life, so the answer would be probably not, maybe if he lived past TFU and continued to aid the rebels. So this question has no bearings on the fight if your trying to use this question to help favor Revan in some.

Originally posted by Enyalus

And when did this happen? [/B]

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Not being able to rule doesn't mean he wasn't more powerful then Revan or vice-versa . He wasn't raised by Vader to rule anything he an extension of Vader's will for most of his life, so the answer would be probably not, maybe if he lived past TFU and continued to aid the rebels. So this question has no bearings on the fight if your trying to use this question to help favor Revan in some.

I do understand your point, so let me clarify or re-phrase my question. Does Galen Marek have the power to rule the Sith during the Kotor era?

If so please explain why? The reason for me asking is to show that one would have to obtain a certain level of power in order to rule the Sith and gain there respect during the time of Kotor and before.

I am not familiar with Galen Marek so I asking a view point question.

I do believe Dooku, Vader, Sidious, could have done so. How long they would have lasted in a different thing but I do not believe Maul could have.

Well... We all know gameplay mechanics are not canon... But are cut scenes considered canon? Because gameplay and cut scenes have nothing to do with one another.

Cut scenes are based upon game mechanics and the game engine it runs, as well as the models, et cetera.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Question for you, do you see Galen Marek as being able to rule to Sith during the time of Kotor?

Your question is remarkably vague. Does he possess the strength to rule? Certainly, he has demonstrated a primal command of the Force well beyond what Darth Revan has displayed. Does he possess the required traits? No. Revan was a profoundly charismatic and capable leader; Marek is just a "wrecking ball of the Force."

Originally posted by Enyalus
Cut scenes are based upon game mechanics and the game engine it runs, as well as the models, et cetera.

Still, if the cut scene from the game is not contradicted by the novel or the comic, we should assume that's the way it happened.

Is it contradicted?

Originally posted by Gideon
Your question is remarkably vague. Does he possess the strength to rule? Certainly, he has demonstrated a primal command of the Force well beyond what Darth Revan has displayed. Does he possess the required traits? No. Revan was a profoundly charismatic and capable leader; Marek is just a "wrecking ball of the Force."

I take your word for it. In another thread I see arguments of Marek losing to Maul. Maul in my opinion does not possess the strength to rule over thousands of Sith.

Originally posted by Gideon
Your question is remarkably vague. Does he possess the strength to rule? Certainly, he has demonstrated a primal command of the Force well beyond what Darth Revan has displayed. Does he possess the required traits? No. Revan was a profoundly charismatic and capable leader; Marek is just a "wrecking ball of the Force."

He certainly lacked subtlety.

In a one on one duel with lightsabers and force, starkiller should defeat Revan from the data we have. Perhaps Revan could deceive Starkiller(with some kind of illusion learned form ancient holocrons) and scape before being defeated.

But Revan's greatest (and demonstrated) power doesn't come from the force. His greatest power is is charisma. He could turn enemies into allies, the jedis that pursued him for his crimes turned into the ranks of the sith instead. The mandalorians revered him after being crushed in the war. Everyone he meet would follow him to the end of time without an eye blinking... so Starkiller could posibly kill Revan, but he couldn't survive to the rage of his followers.

While it appears that Revan knows a lot more techniques than starkiller, Starkiller is just a beast in the force.

Official website:

"As the boy grew older, Vader promised him greater power -- through the dark side. Under Vader's relentless tutelage, the apprentice all but perfected the fine art of lightsaber combat and learned to wield many fearsome dark side powers."

Apparently Marek was well versed in the Force, btw.

Originally posted by Gideon
Official website:

"As the boy grew older, Vader promised him greater power -- through the dark side. Under Vader's relentless tutelage, the apprentice all but perfected the fine art of lightsaber combat and [b]learned to wield many fearsome dark side powers."

Apparently Marek was well versed in the Force, btw. [/B]

Maybe so, but Vader wasn't a scholar and as such, is nowhere near Revan's level of knowledge in the force.

That wasn't my contention. But neither Vader nor Starkiller were limited to two techniques.

Originally posted by Major Valerian
For a change: Gideon, in the game, we see Marek humiliating Vader at the very end of their duel. Does the novel somehow contradict the way their duel turned out?

Allow me.

Nope, in the novel Galen beats Vader in swordsmanship (slashing him across the throat and shoulder and stabbing him in the thigh), and then finishes him off by using the Force to lift him into the air and throwing objects at him, concluding with a generator.

So yeah, Galen trashed him. It's awesome. One of my favourite duels ever.

Although I agree that Galen was powerful in the force, Revan was also extremely powerful. He was extremely accomplished in lightning and force whirlwind techniques and was noted as being able to utilise force powers to tap into the innermost fears and pains of his enemies and use them to his advantage, thus demonstrating a power of afflicting his enemies psychologically as well as physically.

Originally posted by Gideon
Marek is just a "wrecking ball of the Force."

Due to this ability, and the fact you have said Galen is not very intelligent and is basically a wrecking ball of the force, could Revan have not simply driven his weak mind to insanity. Galen would certainly have had many fears and pains, due to his trobled childhood and traumatic apprenticeship to Vader, and Revan may be able to use these to afflict and weaken him.

Revan was also very powerful at the physical and combat parts of the force. Due to the fact he changed allegiance many times, he became an adept at both the light and dark sides of the force. He also had an amazing amount of raw power. Kreia, who was his first Jedi Master and also a powerful Sith lord, described that "looking at him was like looking into the heart of the force". This was when Revan was still a young student, so his powers would have definitely increased massively over his lifetime. After the end of KOTOR1 Reven left known space to fight the "true sith" and never returned. His phsical powers may have continued to grow once he left the galaxy and at the very least his explorations around and outside the galaxy would have given him an uncomparable knowledge of the force and forcde techniques.