Originally posted by fangirl101
No. everyone else seems to understand. We are talking about pure hand speed. get that thru your thick head.
I understand, but it doesn't matter. Surfer may not have the on panel feats, but we know he has the speed and reaction time to do what you are saying he can't. WW is the better fighter, but she isn't faster than the surfer. No way no how. If you accept that surfer is a universe traverser, then you also must accept he has FTL speed and reflexes.
Originally posted by snyper1982
I understand, but it doesn't matter. Surfer may not have the on panel feats, but we know he has the speed and reaction time to do what you are saying he can't. WW is the better fighter, but she isn't faster than the surfer. No way no how. If you accept that surfer is a universe traverser, then you also must accept he has FTL speed and reflexes.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Traveling Speed does not equal hand to hand speed. Starfire can travel light years under her own power. But she's never shown hand to hand speed on the level of say even Spiderman.
So because it isn't shown means it can't happen? Please explain to me how does someone who moves FTL and reacts at FTL, NOT have FTL handspeed?They can propel their entire body FTL, but not their hands. LOL.
Originally posted by snyper1982
So because it isn't shown means it can't happen? Please explain to me how does someone who moves FTL and reacts at FTL, NOT have FTL handspeed?They can propel their entire body FTL, but not their hands. LOL.
Originally posted by fangirl101
What the HELL. He moves thru space for one on his board. Magneto blocks at ftl with his shields. But he can't move his hands that fast. Period. It's not in his set. Surfer moves thru space that fast, but has never shown himself to be a speedster of sorts. Being a speedster requires hand, foot, and reactions times that are shown to be far above human level. Quicksilver has better hand movement feats than surfer.
How about you prove he isn't a speedster without his board?
Originally posted by snyper1982
So because it isn't shown means it can't happen? Please explain to me how does someone who moves FTL and reacts at FTL, NOT have FTL handspeed?They can propel their entire body FTL, but not their hands. LOL.
The worlds fasted sprinter doesnt mean hes is also the worlds fastest MA just because he can propel his body very travel fast. On thate note ping pong players have incredibly quick reflexes too but does that mean they can slip past every punch a WHC can through at them. Forum fights are determined by on-panel feats...not wild speculation.
Originally posted by fangirl101
The rules of the forum state that you can't prove a negative. I can prove that Wondy can hurt beings who are stronger and as durable or more than surfer.
The burden of proof lies on you. He is shown as being FTL. You are the one ASSUMING he isn't FTL without his board.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
The worlds fasted sprinter doesnt mean hes is also the worlds fastest MA just because he can propel his body very travel fast. On thate note ping pong players have incredibly quick reflexes too but does that mean they can slip past every punch a WHC can through at them. Forum fights are determined by on-panel feats...not wild speculation.
Yes, if we were comparing to characters of roughly equal speed(all humans for instance) I would agree. Surfer is MUCH MUCH faster than WW though... Also the fact that they have stats so far superior than normal humans means the margins are wildly different. If surfer is lets say twice as fast as WW, then the margin is enormously larger than, lets say, me vs a sprinter twice as fast as me. Where there may be a few MPH difference between me and the sprinter there would be thousands or millions of MPH difference between surfer and WW.
Originally posted by fangirl101
I"m just assuming his hands and feet haven't moved that fast.
No you aren't. You are assuming he doesn't have his speed off his board. That is a pretty big assumption to make, especially when we already know he has reaction times that are FTL, or else would not be able to travel FTL.
Originally posted by snyper1982
No you aren't. You are assuming he doesn't have his speed off his board. That is a pretty big assumption to make, especially when we already know he has reaction times that are FTL, or else would not be able to travel FTL.
Originally posted by snyper1982
No you aren't. You are assuming he doesn't have his speed off his board. That is a pretty big assumption to make, especially when we already know he has reaction times that are FTL, or else would not be able to travel FTL.
This match has a very specifc stipulation, diana has displayed MA skill and impressive combat speed. SS without his board has not and untill he does then why assume.
Originally posted by fangirl101
What the hell are you talking about? I'm assuming that he can't move his hands as fast as wondy based on the fact that I've seen her move her hands and feat at super speed but never surfer. I've seen her use her combat speed in one on one situations but never surfer. That is what I'm assuming.
Well I saw surfer blitz most of marvel before any of them could react. Seems like pretty damned good super hand speed to me.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
This match has a very specifc stipulation, diana has displayed MA skill and impressive combat speed. SS without his board has not and untill he does then why assume.
LOL. Because we don't know how fast surfer is without his board, I am assuming nothing changes, if you want to assume he looses all his speed, then go ahead and prove that to me. The burden of proof lies on you, because you are the one making a claim that he is not as fast without his board.