Wonder Woman vs Silver Surfer h2h

Originally posted by ultimatethor
As i suspected. A total misunderstanding of the posed question. [B]HOW OFTEN DOES THIS HANDSPEED OF HERS APPEAR IN DIRECT PHYSICAL CONFRONTATIONS WITH OTHER BEINGS? I dont mean her blocking energy blasts. Heck surfer has blocked energy beams AFTER they ere fired before as well. [/B]

I understand the desire to have direct panel evidence, but this is getting ridiculous. She has used her speed and reflexes on so many occasions. It is the exact type of movement she would use in a H2H encounter. It's not that she simply blocked "a" energy beam. Do you know the precision, dexterity, and speed it would take to perform these feats? This is how she would have to move if she were blocking someones physical attacks.

This is the type of fighting that Diana has extensive training in. This is HER element. Anyone would be hard pressed to beat her with their fists, unless they had somewhere near her skill level AND was a great deal stronger, faster and more durable.

And Quan, I think we were reading two different stories. "Got a few moves in?" lol He was going all out. She wasn't. He walked away just as badly beaten, if not worse.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I understand the desire to have direct panel evidence, but this is getting ridiculous. She has used her speed and reflexes on so many occasions. It is the exact type of movement she would use in a H2H encounter. It's not that she simply blocked "a" energy beam. Do you know the precision, dexterity, and speed it would take to perform these feats? This is how she would have to move if she were blocking someones physical attacks.

This is the type of fighting that Diana has extensive training in. This is HER element. Anyone would be hard pressed to beat her with their fists, unless they had somewhere near her skill level AND was a great deal stronger, faster and more durable.

And Quan, I think we were reading two different stories. "Got a few moves in?" lol He was going all out. She wasn't. He walked away just as badly beaten, if not worse.

Originally posted by Badabing
Great Galan, consider this a warning. Thanks.

Bads, I was not implying that any mere street level could defeat SS. As a matter of fact I know the basis of that particular incident is PIS on the account that it would be impossible for someone like BP to maintain a person with SS level of strength in a armbar hold. What I am questioning and what I'm implying is that there havn't been any situations before that have really tested SS MA level, especially agaisnt a foe of BP's h2h calibur. So with that said, what feats from SS past indicate that he could avoid a armbar if let's say the opponent was of equal or greater physical strength but with exceptional MA skill.

SS has a limited display of MA skill, and quite frankly we never see him using incredible combat speed,striking power or precise h2h ability like we do other top tiers. IMO while the BP incident is PIS due to BP maintaining the hold...I don't see anything wrong with someone of BP's h2h calibur applying it to something with Very shallow MA skill like SS.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Bads, I was not implying that any mere street level could defeat SS. As a matter of fact I know the basis of that particular incident is PIS on the account that it would be impossible for someone like BP to maintain a person with SS level of strength in a armbar hold. What I am questioning and what I'm implying is that there havn't been any situations before that have really tested SS MA level, especially agaisnt a foe of BP's h2h calibur. So with that said, what feats from SS past indicate that he could avoid a armbar if let's say the opponent was of equal or greater physical strength but with exceptional MA skill.

SS has a limited display of MA skill, and quite frankly we never see him using incredible combat speed,striking power or precise h2h ability like we do other top tiers. IMO while the BP incident is PIS due to BP maintaining the hold...I don't see anything wrong with someone of BP's h2h calibur applying it to something with Very shallow MA skill like SS.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I understand the desire to have direct panel evidence, but this is getting ridiculous. She has used her speed and reflexes on so many occasions. It is the exact type of movement she would use in a H2H encounter. It's not that she simply blocked "a" energy beam. Do you know the precision, dexterity, and speed it would take to perform these feats? This is how she would have to move if she were blocking someones physical attacks.

This is the type of fighting that Diana has extensive training in. This is HER element. Anyone would be hard pressed to beat her with their fists, unless they had somewhere near her skill level AND was a great deal stronger, faster and more durable.

And Quan, I think we were reading two different stories. "Got a few moves in?" lol He was going all out. She wasn't. He walked away just as badly beaten, if not worse.

Well she did have to eventually resort to her trinkets, she realized the situation was futile and that outcome would certainly not be in her favor. The fight was more of a testament to her abilities but it did have a taint of PIS considering he has defeated more imposing foes with less effort in the past..althought I dont know why that matters because SS doesnt have Supes combat abilities.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Does BP move faster than an energy blast? Not just stay ahead of it's aim, if it were a race between the two that started side by side do you think he could keep up with one?

When does travel feat=combat feet though, unless some feat of SS displaying superspeed in combat manifest then there's no reason to think he's even meta-fast in terms of combat speed.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well she did have to eventually resort to her trinkets, she realized the situation was futile and that outcome would certainly not be in her favor. The fight was more of a testament to her abilities but it did have a taint of PIS considering he has defeated more imposing foes with less effort in the past..althought I dont know why that matters because SS doesnt have Supes combat abilities.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well she did have to eventually resort to her trinkets, she realized the situation was futile and that outcome would certainly not be in her favor. The fight was more of a testament to her abilities but it did have a taint of PIS considering he has defeated more imposing foes with less effort in the past..althought I dont know why that matters because SS doesnt have Supes combat abilities.

He took a hit from She-Hulk(intent to kill) and didn't feel it and even reaction in the face* I understand ww is stronger then she-hulk, but they are close in strength terms

Originally posted by fangirl101
Her resorting to her trinkets is no different than other high level bricks resorting to thier powers to pull out an injuring attack. Such As thor using his hammer, or BB using his voice, or Superman using his heat vision or flash freeze breath, or BA using his magical lightning. It's still part of thier set.

Right, but when she was holding back shs was intentionally hoping to stay clear of using her toys. The fight was pointless from the start, she knew all she had to do was hold him off long enough and when that plan almost folded into itself she was forced out of desperation to use her trinket. At any rate why does it matter...SS is not Supes in combat ability.

Originally posted by vansonbee
Actually in long term of the fight, Silver Surfer still wins. Even if wonder woman tears his arm off or arm-lock. He can regenarate another with cosmic power. ( If she could tear it off) He very durable and could amp his strength way above her's.

He took a hit from She-Hulk(intent to kill) and didn't feel it and even reaction in the face* I understand ww is stronger then she-hulk, but they are close in strength terms

Oddly enough SS has been thrown around by Champion who was KO'ed by she-hulk...funny how that works.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Oddly enough SS has been thrown around by Champion who was KO'ed by she-hulk...funny how that works.

She-hulk was hella huge when fighting Champion round 2, you to admit* We can say she was superior to SS back in the old days in strength terms.

1960's .....

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Oddly enough SS has been thrown around by Champion who was KO'ed by she-hulk...funny how that works.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Oddly enough SS has been thrown around by Champion who was KO'ed by she-hulk...funny how that works.

Originally posted by Cavalier
Yeah, ABC logic makes me lol too.

Or how about flight=combat speed logic...thats always a blast.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Or how about flight=combat speed logic...thats always a blast.

If Norin can react and move that those speed it makes perfect sense, and combat speed for SS is on his board that how he does his battles.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Or how about flight=combat speed logic...thats always a blast.

See, me and you have some things in common.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
When does travel feat=combat feet though, unless some feat of SS displaying superspeed in combat manifest then there's no reason to think he's even meta-fast in terms of combat speed.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Oddly enough SS has been thrown around by Champion who was KO'ed by she-hulk...funny how that works.

See why it's a bad idea to use low showings from before characters had upgrades?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Multiple energy blast? At point blank range, or from an entirely different area and then gotten himself in the way of said blast to protect someone?

Like This http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/52/l_a41e897a23f44db89aa387beccb02b61.jpg

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/34/l_1110e3a7d09a4839b3d9f9687cbae0ce.jpg

Surfer has hand to hand feats like this?
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/1/l_2e70a018fef2454d962e63ba1050b8d8.jpg

Really,do u have nothing in actual physical confrontations? Cuz her showings in those confrontations are what wud be relevant to this fight. I mean, her blocking energy blasts is nice and all but if she has unable to replicate it in physical confrontations then i dont see why she will suddenly do so in this fight.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I understand the desire to have direct panel evidence, but this is getting ridiculous. She has used her speed and reflexes on so many occasions. It is the exact type of movement she would use in a H2H encounter. It's not that she simply blocked "a" energy beam. Do you know the precision, dexterity, and speed it would take to perform these feats? This is how she would have to move if she were blocking someones physical attacks.

This is the type of fighting that Diana has extensive training in. This is HER element. Anyone would be hard pressed to beat her with their fists, unless they had somewhere near her skill level AND was a great deal stronger, faster and more durable.

And Quan, I think we were reading two different stories. "Got a few moves in?" lol He was going all out. She wasn't. He walked away just as badly beaten, if not worse.

No it is not ridiculous. Why do u think she willl suddenly do something she has not shown to be capable of ON Panel in this fight( If she has done then please post something at least)? YOu say she has extensive training in this type of fight right? Thats great then it shud be even easier for u to show her displaying that extensive training in situations similar to this one shouldnt it?