Silver Surfer(exiles) vs. Trinity Superman

Originally posted by Allankles
But that doesn't apply to his own efforts. He usually gauges a characters abilities anyway. He was throwing blows at Infninity Man even though the latter dwarfed him in power and durability. So I doubt he'd go :"OMG" if Surfer shrugged off his haymaker. Darkseid has tossed him around like he was nothing but Supes kept coming, he generally doesn't stop until he is stopped himself.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Did you not see the acknowledgement that it wasn't the best example because of the Justice League? I just was just looking for something that sets SOME kind of precedent. Now that it's set I'll look for a better example...

And I've given you the example of a Soul fire quation Darkseid being attacked by Supes. Supes acknowledged that they were well beyond his league, but it didn't stop him from attacking Darkseid. You're trying to say that Supes would react like Glads, no way, they don't have similar personalities. Superman can acknowledge greater power and still act decisively. He even wrestled with Asmodel, even though he knew the angel was much more powerful.

Originally posted by Allankles
And I've given you the example of a Soul fire quation Darkseid being attacked by Supes. Supes acknowledged that they were well beyond his league, but it didn't stop him from attacking Darkseid. You're trying to say that Supes would react like Glads, no way, they don't have similar personalities. Superman can acknowledge greater power and still act decisively. He even wrestled with Asmodel, even though he knew the angel was much more powerful.

Originally posted by Allankles
You guys are crazy. I don't really care who you think wins, but SS isn't beating Supes in such a manner. The time he took to say: "to me my board" Supes would have smashed several shots on his mug.

Originally posted by snyper1982
Does it matter when he can manipulate matter and is at least as fast as supes? SS via muffin morph.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
well superman has resisted transmutation before

Originally posted by quanchi112
How does he avoid being cut in half?

Wow...Tell me how Trinity Supes win this, please?

He's got current Supes' power level, and Batman's H2H skills and intelligence.

Glads power ~ Supes power. Yet Exiles Surfer was clearly far, far, far above him in that department. He easily caught Gladiator's fist who has proven to have hyperspeed (was that the term, Quan) combat reflexes on panel. Surfer could probably literally stand there and tank Supes' punches to no affect.

And if all else fails - he's still SS and this is still against Superman. Who wins all SS vs. Supes threads? SS. Why? Matter manipulation. Hell, by simply powering up in Annihilation he destroyed a planet and caused a black hole. Before Galactus' power up. Exiles Surfer is leagues above Current SS.

Trinity Superman wins this never. You'd need SMP to even compete physically with such sheer power and speed.

Originally posted by Badabing
I'll be waiting for the scans of Superman where he's been cut in half before. duryes

Originally posted by Enyalus
Wow...Tell me how Trinity Supes win this, please?

He's got current Supes' power level, and Batman's H2H skills and intelligence.

Glads power ~ Supes power. Yet Exiles Surfer was clearly far, far, far above him in that department. He easily caught Gladiator's fist who has proven to have hyperspeed (was that the term, Quan) combat reflexes on panel. Surfer could probably literally stand there and tank Supes' punches to no affect.

And if all else fails - he's still SS and this is still against Superman. Who wins all SS vs. Supes threads? SS. Why? Matter manipulation. Hell, by simply powering up in Annihilation he destroyed a planet and caused a black hole. Before Galactus' power up. Exiles Surfer is leagues above Current SS.

Trinity Superman wins this never. You'd need SMP to even compete physically with such sheer power and speed.

I agree, but this is assuming that Exiles Gladiator was on the same level as 616's Gladiator. As I've said before Exiles Surfer seemed more like he was in Tyrant's ballpark in terms of power ratings. Who can really say though.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I agree, but this is assuming that Exiles Gladiator was on the same level as 616's Gladiator. As I've said before Exiles Surfer seemed more like he was in Tyrant's ballpark in terms of power ratings. Who can really say though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dc took it off the market as fanboys starting cutting themselves.

You also debated since a character has never accomplished a feat against a character of a certain power set that the feat is not applicable.

You can't show so much hypocrisy and such a double standard Quan. I hope I don't see any more in the near future.

Originally posted by Badabing
My point is that you've debated that since something never happened to a character before that it's not applicable to said character.

You also debated since a character has never accomplished a feat against a character of a certain power set that the feat is not applicable.

You can't show so much hypocrisy and such a double standard Quan. I hope I don't see any more in the near future.

surfer wins everytime...he has all the powerset to take down supes..

Originally posted by Badabing
My point is that you've debated that since something never happened to a character before that it's not applicable to said character.

You also debated since a character has never accomplished a feat against a character of a certain power set that the feat is not applicable.

You can't show so much hypocrisy and such a double standard Quan. I hope I don't see any more in the near future.

I think that Superman and Gladiator are both top tiers with exactly the same powerset. You wont find two characters more closely related than these two from opposing universes. The board sawed Glads in half easily. I think it would cut through Superman just the same.

Now with regards to Rulk and Superman. I think that a bfr off the planet is possible but it isnt very likely and its much more difficult to accomplish. I saw Supes use a speed blitz to beat his opponents and easily. I dont think he could have quickly bfr'd them off the planet but he did ko them quite easily. Now,I have seen Supes bfr Darkseid off the planet but it took an injured Seid and time for Supes to do it. If Darkseid hadnt been injured I think he would have reacted and stopped the whole process.

Both of these events can happen but I see the Surfer feat happening and being more likely to happen while I dont see the bfring off the planet as being as likely to occur.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok,let me say my piece. I understand your point. Maybe the board would fail to cut Supes in half just like maybe the bfr would fail to work against Rulk. Here is why I have come to my conclusions as to both threads.

I think that Superman and Gladiator are both top tiers with exactly the same powerset. You wont find two characters more closely related than these two from opposing universes. The board sawed Glads in half easily. I think it would cut through Superman just the same.

Both of these events can happen but I see the Surfer feat happening and being more likely to happen while I dont see the bfring off the planet as being as likely to occur.

The problem with this is that their similarities end with their power set, thats it, they don't even have the same magnitude of power. It's like saying all of Galactus heralds are the same, some were gifted with more of the power cosmic than others.

Further Glads doesn't necessarily have kryptonian durability. Does Glad have a Bio aura? No. Does he have the same sub atomic density? No. Are his powers derived from an inter dimensional source via the general absorption of solar radiation (yellow sun and all)? No. So apart from having similar powers, they are actually nothing alike, completely different genetic make up.

Originally posted by Allankles
The problem with this is that the[B]ir similarities end with their power set, thats it, they don't even have the same magnitude of power. It's like saying all of Galactus heralds are the same, some were gifted with more of the power cosmic than others.

Further Glads doesn't necessarily have kryptonian durability. Does Glad have a Bio aura? No. Does he have the same sub atomic density? No. Are his powers derived from an inter dimensional source via the general absorption of solar radiation (yellow sun and all)? No. So apart from having similar powers, they are actually nothing alike, completely different genetic make up. [/B]

The other issue is we don't know how this Glads stacks up agaisnt the 616 Glad's who's top feats are trans level. I believe it was actually stated in a comic that Glads can travel 100 times FTL, he has destroyed a planet in 3 blows and can even move a planet. I guess the question is did Glad come at SS 100 times FTL with planet wrecking punching power thats physical strength is enough to move a planet?

SS wins. What can supes do punch an kick at him all day? Eventually Surfer will get angry and kill him the way he did to Thor and his hammer. All he has to do is grab him for a few seconds. Supes if fast but he is like a gold fish compared to a kwasaki mortcycle. The cycle being Surfer.

H2H skills mean nothing when you can't hurt the opponent. Remember Karnak vs Hulk? So SS wins.

Originally posted by kakuzu
SS wins. What can supes do punch an kick at him all day? Eventually Surfer will get angry and kill him the way he did to Thor and his hammer. All he has to do is grab him for a few seconds. Supes if fast but he is like a gold fish compared to a kwasaki mortcycle. The cycle being Surfer.

H2H skills mean nothing when you can't hurt the opponent. Remember Karnak vs Hulk? So SS wins.

Except that Supes striking power ranks amongst the best of all top tiers and he has actually rocked characters above him power with it.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
The other issue is we don't know how this Glads stacks up agaisnt the 616 Glad's who's top feats are trans level. I believe it was actually stated in a comic that Glads can travel 100 times FTL, he has destroyed a planet in 3 blows and can even move a planet. I guess the question is did Glad come at SS 100 times FTL with planet wrecking punching power thats physical strength is enough to move a planet?

If they were on the same level why would Gladiator hold back in such a situation? Exiles Gladiator knew that his battle with that Silver Surfer was to the death, I mean the evidence was all around him, the entire Shiar Imperial Guard were dead or on their way to death right?

Evidence would suggest that Exiles Gladiator was pretty damn powerful as his punch did generate a whiteout effect, which was portrayed as being nothing to the Exiles Surfer.

On the other end of the spectrum Gladiator has always been deflated when his best didn't cut it, so perhaps he lost confidence and in doing so his massive durability may have been deminished as well.

All the same Superman would retain all of his strengths even if his punch failed, the question here is would Superman be able to take better than he could give, and for how long?