Originally posted by CaptainStoic
If they were on the same level why would Gladiator hold back in such a situation? Exiles Gladiator knew that his battle with that Silver Surfer was to the death, I mean the evidence was all around him, the entire Shiar Imperial Guard were dead or on their way to death right?Evidence would suggest that Exiles Gladiator was pretty damn powerful as his punch did generate a whiteout effect, which was portrayed as being nothing to the Exiles Surfer.
On the other end of the spectrum Gladiator has always been deflated when his best didn't cut it, so perhaps he lost confidence and in doing so his massive durability may have been deminished as well.
All the same Superman would retain all of his strengths even if his punch failed, the question here is would Superman be able to take better than he could give, and for how long?
The above is a great post. It really doesn't matter if Supes would be cut in half by Surfer's board (not that DC would allow that to happen to their flagship character anyway). Surfer has a hundred other ways to beat him. It's like saying that because Surfer doesn't physically kick the shit out of Glads that he couldn't. No, he simply cuts him in half because it's quicker and he doesn't need to prove himself.
He'd own Supes in just about every way imaginable.
Originally posted by Enyalus
The above is a great post. It really doesn't matter if Supes would be cut in half by Surfer's board (not that DC would allow that to happen to their flagship character anyway). Surfer has a hundred other ways to beat him. It's like saying that because Surfer doesn't physically kick the shit out of Glads that he couldn't. No, he simply cuts him in half because it's quicker and he doesn't need to prove himself.He'd own Supes in just about every way imaginable.
Your post is good and speaks truth.
Really if you want to imagine Supes fighting Surfer. Mold a steel human sized thing a few inches thick. Then punch at it. When your hands are badly bruised and a few fingers broken then you shall feel like Superman after a few good hits.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Scan of SS's punching power enough to destroy dwarf planets?
He powers up (think Dragonball Z style) and it destroys a planet and creates a black hole, as noted by Thanos...
Do we really need to see him punching planets apart when simply tapping into his full power does the trick?
Originally posted by Enyalus
The above is a great post. It really doesn't matter if Supes would be cut in half by Surfer's board (not that DC would allow that to happen to their flagship character anyway). Surfer has a hundred other ways to beat him. It's like saying that because Surfer doesn't physically kick the shit out of Glads that he couldn't. No, he simply cuts him in half because it's quicker and he doesn't need to prove himself.He'd own Supes in just about every way imaginable.
Supes fought WW from the earth to the sun in only 1:54 secons and keep in mind it would take 19 minutes to make it from earth to saturn. Still have yet to see a combat feat from SS that is FTL...oh keep in mind http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanshazamspeedfeat40bm.jpg he can vibrate his body so quickly he can pass through enemy grips. Keep in mind a human size object would need to be vibrating at least light speed within the earths amosphere to become intangible as proven by Flash.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Scan of SS's punching power enough to destroy dwarf planets?
Lets See Superman knocking over Drax?
So since you don't see Superman do it you can't assume he can't. Don't assume Surfer can't destroy a dwarf planet which Marvel probably doesn't have. They usually have real ones getting destroyed.
Lets see Superman nearly destroy earth in his sleep?
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Supes fought WW from the earth to the sun in only 1:54 secons and keep in mind it would take 19 minutes to make it from earth to saturn. Still have yet to see a combat feat from SS that is FTL...oh keep in mind http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanshazamspeedfeat40bm.jpg he can vibrate his body so quickly he can pass through enemy grips. Keep in mind a human size object would need to be vibrating at least light speed within the earths amosphere to become intangible as proven by Flash.
...And SS is incapable of going faster than light since when?
Originally posted by Enyalus
He [b]powers up (think Dragonball Z style) and it destroys a planet and creates a black hole, as noted by Thanos...Do we really need to see him punching planets apart when simply tapping into his full power does the trick? [/B]
Im aware of SS amping powers, which by the by take time. What u have failed to address is in what frame of time it would take for this"amping"and if its quick enough to avoid supes FTL travelling speed.
Originally posted by The Great GalenOkay for one Supes can't vibrate his molecules. Thats Flashes move. Supes in that picture above is showing throwing ordinary people off of him and using his super breath to knock them back. Thats a pretty stupid feat to bring up against this
Supes fought WW from the earth to the sun in only 1:54 secons and keep in mind it would take 19 minutes to make it from earth to saturn. Still have yet to see a combat feat from SS that is FTL...oh keep in mind http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanshazamspeedfeat40bm.jpg he can vibrate his body so quickly he can pass through enemy grips. Keep in mind a human size object would need to be vibrating at least light speed within the earths amosphere to become intangible as proven by Flash.
Tears up the face of the Super Skrull with one punch(never seen Hulk or Thor do that….)
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/22...v3105p12mk3.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/...v3105p13ak7.jpg
Still we have yet to See Superman move FTL in combat.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Im aware of SS amping powers, which by the by take time. What u have failed to address is in what frame of time it would take for this"amping"and if its quick enough to avoid supes FTL travelling speed.
You're acting like Surfer would be scared of Supes. SS can go FTL as well. And is a ruthless SOB in Exiles form as well as decidedly stronger. Maybe SS decides to rush Supes instead? Or throw energy blasts at him via the Power Cosmic.
Originally posted by Enyalusgreat galen changes his mind all the time. dont take him seriously
You're acting like Surfer would be scared of Supes. SS can go FTL as well. And is a ruthless SOB in Exiles form as well as decidedly stronger. Maybe SS decides to rush Supes instead? Or throw energy blasts at him via the Power Cosmic.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Fighting FTL theres a big difference between flight speed and combat speed. SS can fly FTL but he has never been shown to fight FTL.
Guess what? When Superman uses such speeds it is only on really big foes. IE Shaggy man, Doomsday, Mongoul, Imperiex. When he blitz then it does no harm. When he moves that fast it is a last resort because he knows he can't do anything else. Remember when he tried this on Anti Monitor? It didn't even tickle him. Why try it on Surfer unless your saying that Supermans last resort and he knows he can't do anything else.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Im aware of SS amping powers, which by the by take time. What u have failed to address is in what frame of time it would take for this"amping"and if its quick enough to avoid supes FTL travelling speed.
Do you even know what it takes for Superman to go light speed? He can't just go light speed in one second. He has to attack from a distance. He can't just say "Light speed time" an go forward in a few feet. Light speed won't even be used in this battle.
Originally posted by kakuzu
Okay for one Supes can't vibrate his molecules. Thats Flashes move. Supes in that picture above is showing throwing ordinary people off of him and using his super breath to knock them back. Thats a pretty stupid feat to bring up against thisTears up the face of the Super Skrull with one punch(never seen Hulk or Thor do that….)
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/22...v3105p12mk3.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/...v3105p13ak7.jpgStill we have yet to See Superman move FTL in combat.
Actually Supes has virbated his moecules, and if u dont believe me check his fight with DD. He literally vibrated through his punches as proven here http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg and here is him using his MA in superspeed http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trinity13p06zw7.jpg
The scarfice fight is the one in which Supes fought from the earth back to the sun in less then 2 mintues, note that he was actually fighting and not just simply fighting.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Actually Supes has virbated his moecules, and if u dont believe me check his fight with DD. He literally vibrated through his punches as proven here http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg and here is him using his MA in superspeed http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trinity13p06zw7.jpgThe scarfice fight is the one in which Supes fought from the earth back to the sun in less then 2 mintues, note that he was actually fighting and not just simply fighting.
Wrong again. I don't know if you took the time to read the comic but it clearly shows Superman DODGING THE PUNCH and hitting Doomsday later on. He doesn't show to vibrate his molecules. Again the is Flashes only move.
Okay he used Super speed on Ultraman and still got pwned? SS is more powerful the Ultraman.
Superman can't vibrate his molecules.
Originally posted by kakuzu
Do you even know what it takes for Superman to go light speed? He can't just go light speed in one second. He has to attack from a distance. He can't just say "Light speed time" an go forward in a few feet. Light speed won't even be used in this battle.
What the hell are guys even talking about, forum rules stipulate full capcity rules meaning each character is in peak condition. Theres an actual fight of Supes vs WW in sacrfice that has them fighting from the sun to the earth in less then 2 mintues...i mean its right there if u dont believe me.
