Rules & debating discussion thread.

Originally posted by shiv

=IC default setting for all Vs Fights. By IC I mean In character .

I personally like this. We should debate how characters would act, not just their pure powersets alone.

One example of a fight that would be changed imo is: Surfer vs Superman

with CIS, its a much closer fight, both herald level fighters trading blows and attacks

without CIS, people argue that Surfer could just create kryptonite or red sunlight to exploit the weaknesses of Superman, when in comics Surfer rarely if ever utilizes his power cosmic in such a fashion

Originally posted by Starscream M
I personally like this. We should debate how characters would act, not just their pure powersets alone.

One example of a fight that would be changed imo is: Surfer vs Superman

with CIS, its a much closer fight, both herald level fighters trading blows and attacks

without CIS, people argue that Surfer could just create kryptonite or red sunlight to exploit the weaknesses of Superman, when in comics Surfer rarely if ever utilizes his power cosmic in such a fashion

Actually it is within surfers personality to end the fight quickly by exploiting supermans weakness or absorbing his solar energy.

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Stop.

Originally posted by Starscream M
i've seen a lot of surfer's fights...and he rarely uses his matter/energy manipulation powers (or else he could turn his enemies to harmless gingerbread everytime)

Surfer turning his opponents into harmless ginger bread is a ruthless move that was not within his character( current surfer is much different). But surfer incapacitating or disabling his opponents as quickly as possible to avoid prolonged fights that could end in death is within his character. Like when he simply trapped the shiar ships in energy spheres, or Encased spiderman and DD in ethel energy, or absorbed the energy from hulk turning him into banner, when he manipulated wondermans ionic energy in order to incapacitate him, when he threw out of phase visions electrical frequencies,molecularly bonded legacy with his board, Disabled the obliterators machines through matter manip,encased carnage in an ethel energy shell instead of vaporizing him etc. Surfer does make use of his molecular/energy manip powers in fights when he wants to end them quickly.

But i think this is getting off topic so lets drop it for now.

Okay. So we're trying to sift through total power potential, CIS, panel showings, in character and bloodlust.

I'd like everyone (except Star Scream crackers) to post their final thoughts.

The effort should be to debate how the characters would be depicted, instead of how we think they should be depicted.

I think we need to create a balance between how they debate on hero chat and how they debate on CBR. Hence, i think that a character fighting "in character" should maintain his the mindset he has in the comics unless stated by the threadstarter. However we shouldnt just take on panel showings without analyzing them and the context which they occurred.(i.e Hulk beat thor so he can beat superman etc)

Originally posted by Cavalier
The effort should be to debate how the characters would be depicted, instead of how we think they should be depicted.

that's what i said. 😄

Fighting at their best makes some ease fights, like SS beating Supes in 1 move. But having SS act in character than the fight would be more even and longer. I will vote for acting in character unless stated by the thread starter. I think there should be a no Jobbing rule.....people just love to pick on Glads because of some panels having him loosing so easily to people way under his level.

In character should be the rule. Some Characters like Superman, Wondy, Thor, and Surfer Won't pull out the big powers unless they feel they have no choice. This often leads to them looking silly in the first few rounds of a fight. But it's how they act.

I personally think we should leave this up to the posters. To create rules to limit one's argument no matter how radical it is will kill the fun on kmc. Posters will always get pissed and overheated at one another(just like Rulk) no matter what the rules are.

I agree if we are going to change it then we have to find something in the middle of herochat and cbr although I personally love herochat's way of debating. Its all up to the poster and you cant hide behind pis or use it at your convenience like some seem to do here. Thats how they argue things on cbr and use pis all the time. Most psoters complain about how unfair it is over there as I pointed out earlier.

I think pis and cis should be eliminated altogether. If someone wants to be a dope and argue spiderman beats firelord then school the shit out of them. But rarely in comics does something this awful happen. Granted it does and will continue but how often does a wolverine defeat the juggernaut straight up without a plot device.

Rely on your own unique arguing skills and prove your points however you will. Lets not restrict or try to restrict someone's creativity based on the rules. This is meant to have fun and lets start having fun again.

Oh man.....Who let Quan in here? Must have been Bada, Bada....YOUR FIRED!!!

The sad thing it doesn't matter, posters will just run down a "relentless"debate wanking there fav characters.

I think we should make a rule that specifically covers misrepresenting a scans or taking them out of context. Accidents happen from time to time(I've made them myself), but if someone KNOWS they're passing off bogus info I think it should at least rate a warning.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I think we should make a rule that specifically covers misrepresenting a scans or taking them out of context. Accidents happen from time to time(I've made them myself), but if someone KNOWS they're passing off bogus info I think it should at least rate a warning.

Absolutely true. It is getting ridiculous

Originally posted by darthgoober
I think we should make a rule that specifically covers misrepresenting a scans or taking them out of context. Accidents happen from time to time(I've made them myself), but if someone KNOWS they're passing off bogus info I think it should at least rate a warning.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I think we should make a rule that specifically covers misrepresenting a scans or taking them out of context. Accidents happen from time to time(I've made them myself), but if someone KNOWS they're passing off bogus info I think it should at least rate a warning.

many respect threads are LITTERED with out of context scans though, and that is where many of these illegitimate scans originate. 😬

Originally posted by leonidas
many respect threads are LITTERED with out of context scans though, and that is where many of these illegitimate scans originate. 😬

True but people that are KNOWINGLY passing off these illegitimate scans as evidence need to be checked.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
True but people that are KNOWINGLY passing off these illegitimate scans as evidence need to be checked.

i'll agree if you can find a way to be sure someone really is KNOWINGLY doing so. most see respect threads and simply trust them. not ALL respect threads are like that, obviously. goob does a good, honest job of his, and mungi as well. but slip-ups happen and other respect thread-makers are NOT so thorough as those 2.