Originally posted by NemeBroimo that was false hope, or at least context comes with that as in jiraya sneaking away and attacking nagato whom was not too far away at the time and without konan for protection/distraction.
Jiraiya could have apparently beaten Pain, had he known the details of Pain's jutsu before, all from Pain's mouth.If we want to go by statements, that would put Jiraiya above Itachi by a fair margin.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Jiraiya could have apparently beaten Pain, had he known the details of Pain's jutsu before, all from Pain's mouth.If we want to go by statements, that would put Jiraiya above Itachi by a fair margin.
It was technically possible- I mean, that uber-genjutsu would've gotten any number of bodies, not just 3. But I think the odds were still solidly in Pain's favor, after all the strongest one didn't even get involved.
I'm still unsure about the outcome of this fight. For example, how would Jiraya overcome Susanoo or Amateratsu? Then there is the Samehada fusion that could give him some trouble. Then againt Sage Mode and one of those giant toads could kill the two Atatsuki members couldn't it. So...who would actually win?
Oh! and umm...I think that was Shikamaru's deduction.
Originally posted by Q99So Itachi definately would have known about a secret mode Jiraiya had that makes him half frog and gives him awesome sound-based Genjutsu? 😐
He wouldn't know the precise abilities but he'd be able to judge approximate level. Skilled ninja can generally get a rough impression of abilities fast (Asuma vs Hidan for example).
Because for him to know his approximate level he would have to be aware of that ability.
Hidan is a one-trick pony, that is the difference.
I wouldn't think summons would be especially good against these two, especially Itachi.
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
wasn't it Shikamaru who deduced the use of Hidan's scythe?...
I'm not talking about that, but earlier shortly after they 'killed' Hidan with an ambush. He figured out how strong Hidan was before his teammates realized the threat level they were facing, here.
Shikamaru figured out the jutsu after seeing it in combat once, but Asuma figured out the approximate strength levels after just a brief clash.
Yea, but there's 'strong ninja' and 'strong enough to frighten Asuma of the 12 Guardian Ninja'.
There's probably a lot of little things about a ninja and their chakra that a strong experienced ninja can judge better than most. Maybe it comes from fighting other S-class ninja that can give one the experience to tell where in the S-class a foe is.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, but there's 'strong ninja' and 'strong enough to frighten Asuma of the 12 Guardian Ninja'.There's probably a lot of little things about a ninja and their chakra that a strong experienced ninja can judge better than most. Maybe it comes from fighting other S-class ninja that can give one the experience to tell where in the S-class a foe is.
According to Sasuke, whenever high class ninja clash, they apparently connect. That probably has something to do with Asuma's power gauging ability.
Nope AuraAngel but as I read you post you like to give opinions on things that are fact. If once character states he can't beat another character then that is that. There is no need to go but Itachi has this move how can Jiraiya stop it. Itachi said the best he, Kisame and others could do is draw. So again that is cannon so this thread should close.
Originally posted by big juggy man
Q99 he didnt say Itachi could or would handle anything. Kisame said you meaning Itachi might could manage against Jiraiya but there was no way he could because Jiraiya was on a whole different level.
And that's talking as individuals.
So in other words, in Kisame's view, Kisame < Jiraiya =? Itachi