Itachi and Kisame vs Jiraiya

jiraya would win.

From what we have seen, I will concede that jiraiya would probably lose. If what Itachi said about Jiraiya beating them was true, then Jiraiya is capable of some stuff we haven't seen yet beyond the impressive stuff we have seen.

socool8520 From what Itachi stated out of his mouth Itachi and Kisame would lose, end of story.

Because Itachi doesn't have any reason to feed Kisame a lie.

Except Itachi doesn't know Jiraya's full capabilities such as Sage Mode so his analysis is incomplete. And since Susanno wasn't invented at the time by Kishi things have changed since 2000 freaking 8.

He didnt know about sage mode but he did know about his own skill level and admit he couldnt beat him.

Originally posted by Based
And since Susanno wasn't invented at the time by Kishi things have changed since 2000 freaking 8.

Originally posted by marwash22
wut?

And since Susanno wasn't invented at the time by Kishi things have changed since 2000 freaking 8.

i don't understand what that means.

Are you suggesting that Itachi didn't have Susanoo back then?

Odds are high that Susano'o was planned, though unrevealed.

It's all in the naming scheme of the other eye techniques.

Originally posted by marwash22
i don't understand what that means.

Are you suggesting that Itachi didn't have Susanoo back then?

Kishi probably didn't know what Susano'o was going to be like back then, but he definitely had it in mind for Itachi. Like Q99 said, there's the naming reference to the 2 Kami who were siblings (Ama & Tsu), who had another sibling, Susano'o.
Story-wise, Itachi had Susano'o from the moment he unlocked the MS.

Guys, let's assume Itachi could beat Jiraiya in this scenario. Is he still going to try? No, of course not. He's a good guy who wants to keep Konoha safe. Why would he kill one of it's best fighters?

Otherwise, since he didn't know about Sage Mode, we can only assume that the title Sanin intimidates him. Which also doesn't make sense because Itachi has already curbstomped a Sanin.

So yeah, he's lying. There really is nothing else that fits based on the material unless we conclude Kishi did some retconning.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Guys, let's assume Itachi could beat Jiraiya in this scenario. Is he still going to try? No, of course not. He's a good guy who wants to keep Konoha safe. Why would he kill one of it's best fighters?

Otherwise, since he didn't know about Sage Mode, we can only assume that the title Sanin intimidates him. Which also doesn't make sense because Itachi has already curbstomped a Sanin.

So yeah, he's lying. There really is nothing else that fits based on the material unless we conclude Kishi did some retconning.

Not to mention, it's actively risky even if he has the edge, and would certainly involve heavy use of MS techniques, which has side effects.

So, three reasons- Risky, depleting even if wins, goes against his actual goals.

Take your pick or use 'em all.

Dudes, character statements > logic/feats/deductions/everything else.

Though it really is lulzy how hard bigjuggyman's trying to convince us that Sarutobi > Hashirama, and Jiraiya > Itachi + Kisame.

Actually Jiraiya would stomp him into dust.

We have already seen Itachi had trouble with a far inferior user of Sage Mode.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Actually Jiraiya would stomp him into dust.

We have already seen Itachi had trouble with a far inferior user of Sage Mode.

You mean the guy who didn't need help like Jiraiya did?

Kabuto has been in Sage Mode the entire arc, retard.

Considering Kabuto had the powers of a half-dozen other people in addition to his sage mode...

Originally posted by NemeBro
Kabuto has been in Sage Mode the entire arc, retard.

So why is he inferior at it?

Because he couldn't beat Itachi at the end of the day, but Jiraiya could beat both him and Kisame, at once, and likely could have taken all of Akatsuki.