Originally posted by KK the Great
Is it possible that I've sold myself short?After all, apparently not everyone knows how to contract you and are into you're.
Good for her.
So does Spider-Man.
So does the Flash.
So does Batgirl.
So does Quicksilver.
Have you ever been introduced to the concept of degree?
Have you? whatdur You just insulted Wondy by mentioning 3 of those names in the same breath as her in terms of speed. Flash is the only one who's better or even should mentioned. Yes, there's a difference in degree.
For instance, can Glads hit the speed force under his own power?
2nd, the fact that you think Gladiator is EQUAL to Supes, let alone superior, tells me your opinion is effectively worthless.
Wondy stood up to Supes on numerous occasions, including the sunamp fight. Granted, the writing kind of sucked in that one. But it's far more than Gladiator would be capable of doing.
And stop being pedantic and saying that Glads can break her shield. He CAN'T. The Greek Pantheon couldn't do it, Darkseid couldn't do it, and god knows who else has tried and failed. That Shield is probably more indestructible than Captain America's shield.
Edit: I'm not saying Glads can't grab a few wins, like 2-3 or so. But to claim he gets the majority is outright bias. 👇
Originally posted by TricksterPriestYou miss the point.
Have you? whatdur You just insulted Wondy by mentioning 3 of those names in the same breath as her in terms of speed. Flash is the only one who's better or even should mentioned. Yes, there's a difference in degree.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestIf he were in DC? Absolutely. You see, funny thing, they're in different universes. The speedforce only exists in one.
For instance, can Glads hit the speed force under his own power?
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
2nd, the fact that you think Gladiator is EQUAL to Supes, let alone superior, tells me your opinion is effectively worthless.
"I don't like the way you think! You're dumb!"
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wondy stood up to Supes on numerous occasions, including the sunamp fight. Granted, the writing kind of sucked in that one. But it's far more than Gladiator would be capable of doing.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
And stop being pedantic and saying that Glads can break her shield. He CAN'T. The Greek Pantheon couldn't do it, Darkseid couldn't do it, and god knows who else has tried and failed. That Shield is probably more indestructible than Captain America's shield.
Gotta agree here, though. Don't see Gladiator breaking her shield or bracelets.
Originally posted by Soljer
You miss the point.
If he were in DC? Absolutely. You see, funny thing, they're in different universes. The speedforce only exists in one.
Funny I"ve never seen anyone else in DC break into the speed force that wasn't a speedster. WW has the actual powers of a speedster. That may have you know, a Lil something to do with it.
Originally posted by Soljer
"I don't like the way you think! You're dumb!"
I don't like this line of reasoning at all myself. Which seems to be a common thing these days. Especially by newer posters.
Originally posted by Soljer
Because you say so? Because Wonder Woman can easily withstand planet-busting punches from a being that travels at multiples of C? Low showings (that usually are overblown by 'haters'😉 do not erase his high ones.
Gotta agree here, though. Don't see Gladiator breaking her shield or bracelets.
Originally posted by spetznaz
Before you rush off and get all acerbic at someone (and start inquiring whether or not they are using their powers of reasoning), it might be best to inquire of them what they meant. That is generally helpful, unless you simply want to engage in some vitriolic chest-thumping, which I am game for by the way.
You can put the thesaurus away. I'm not impressed by it.
Anyways, let me first of all state that my logic is still quite intact and fully functional.
I'll be the judge of that.
With that out of the way, let me also head on to state that I have indeed read those comics (unlike some that you may encounter on the forum, I do own comics and make comments based on that instead of what i was 'told' or a random flurry of scans put up by someone else). However, you seem to have the ability to tell whether or not someone has read something, even when you happen to know nothing of the person.As for the use of the word 'manhandled' (which I have to assume is one of the reasons why I have to, erm, 'use logic'😉, it was to make a point. Obivously it is not as if they bent him over their respective knees and paddled him ....nope! The main thing was to make touch on the point that Gladiator at times is given challenges by people who should not be giving him challenges (based on some of his appearances).
It was utilized in much the same manner as when I put Jubilee in the following sentence: as in he loses confidence and suddenly Jubilee can take him on.
Now, as far as I know Glad and Jubilee have never met, yet I put it there. Why? To make a point (I am actually surprised that you did not accuse me of sheer stupidity for putting that up).
Now, to the parts of your post that did not include psychic awareness of other posters' logic.
The fact that you've read the comics just removes you from the "speaking out of ignorance" column and places you squarely into the "brazenly dishonest" column.
You weren't speaking hypothetically when you referenced Cannonball and Colossus. That excuse doesn't fly. If you cite actual fights, it should be assumed that the outcomes you allude to are actually represented, at least somewhat, in the comic.
You stated that the problem with Gladiator wasn't as much 'a matter of inconsistency so much as it is the character being created as one thing and turned into an entirely different thing by a later writer.'Well, I totally agree. Guess what that makes Gladiator ....yep, inconsistent!
Because he is not a real person but a basic comicbook character, he is TOTALLY dependent on what successive writers make of him. One can make him equal to the Living Tribunal, while another can have him submit to the Toad (and just in case someone thinks I am saying he is equal to the LT, or beneath the Toad, I am not. Hopefully no additional posts on logic issues ensue).
It's like how sometimes Superman can fly, but other times he can only leap tall buildings in a single bound. So inconsistent!
You put forth an analogy about me punching boxers and juvenile cousins. Alright, let's play.Obviously, me punching my cousin with no effect would faze me far more than punching Tyson in his prime. In the latter case, I can explain it away because he is a pro. But to punch my 4 yr old cousin and getting nada! That would be something different.
And I see how you are applying that against Gladiator, but in my opinion (although I guess I need to implement more logic according to you), the confidence thing as applied to Gladiator is more of an inverse deus ex machina effect (in much the same way that a sun-dip can be used to make Superman's potency grow to sufficient levels for him to do whatever the writer wants him to, or Dr. Strange's magical ability, gladiator's confidence thingimajig is similar but in a mirror-effect sort of way)
Again, that is my opinion. Which I believe I am entitled to, particularly when it comes to fictional characters.
Now, let me heed your advice and go find some logic pills, and maybe order some back issues of Marvel comics with Gladiator on them. I guess the ones I have do not suffice.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, just as I have the right to tell you that your opinion is entirely baseless given the evidence.
Gladiator's confidence factor has worked against him in combat all of three times. One of those was a telepath who bypassed the middle man and just forced his brain to lose confidence.
The other two were both against characters whom Gladiator knew for a fact should not have been able to stand up to his blows the way they did. Never once has he faced a superior foe or a physical equal and lost confidence because of his or her ability to stand up to him. Not once. That's just not how it works, and yet it seems to be the #1 most commonly used argument against him.
Originally posted by KK the Great
You can put the thesaurus away. I'm not impressed by it.I'll be the judge of that.
The fact that you've read the comics just removes you from the "speaking out of ignorance" column and places you squarely into the "brazenly dishonest" column.
You weren't speaking hypothetically when you referenced Cannonball and Colossus. That excuse doesn't fly. If you cite actual fights, it should be assumed that the outcomes you allude to are actually represented, at least somewhat, in the comic.
It's like how sometimes Superman can fly, but other times he can only leap tall buildings in a single bound. So inconsistent!
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, just as I have the right to tell you that your opinion is entirely baseless given the evidence.
Gladiator's confidence factor has worked against him in combat all of three times. One of those was a telepath who bypassed the middle man and just forced his brain to lose confidence.
The other two were both against characters whom Gladiator knew for a fact should not have been able to stand up to his blows the way they did. Never once has he faced a superior foe or a physical equal and lost confidence because of his or her ability to stand up to him. Not once. That's just not how it works, and yet it seems to be the #1 most commonly used argument against him.
Your arrogance knows no bounds. You'll be the judge of something? OMG. Anyway, When has Gladiator ever faced a WOMAN of Wonder Woman's calibre and training?
Originally posted by KK the Great
Beat Tarene the Designate pretty easily, and she was said to rival Odin in power. If that counts.
WOnder Woman is said to be the 2nd most powerful being on earth after superman. If that counts. Cuz you know, what it is said means something. And Tarene, certainly isn't trained in hand to hand like ww is.